[iifold]

Is it because he is more of a "pitcher" now?? He used to be a power pitcher, now he relies more on movement and location... This is by design, but it makes him seem less dominant even though he is better...

Or is it because he is about a .500 pitcher lifetime that has suffered from a lack of run support..

Thoughts?

[gryfyn1]

It an interesting question;

I think alot of people can't get over the 15-30 record he put up in 07/8; most people still aren't intelligent enough to grasp the fact that W/L record is an extremely poor indicator of future success.

Also the fact that he is often over shadowed by Lincecum mean people forget how good he is.

But if you bet on Cain every start the last three years you would be 43-26.

[mart59a]

Was thinking the same thing myself...guys a stud.

[james4512]

well hard to favor him on the road vs the rockies but i agree hes not far being timmay

[Panekkkk]

Who says he's under-valued? Had you bet on Cain every game for the last four years, you'd be down $1 grand (assuming $100 a game). In fact, there was slight value in fading him. The books never under-value.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

If you take the last three years, you'd be up $700. That isn't exactly large and would probably fall within statistical variance.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

If you take the last two years, you'd be up a bit more with a nicer ROI. It was really only 2009 where he was undervalued by the books.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

[dbwah]

its the hair

[8ArIvd5]

some people think his stats are skewed because the park he throws in. i think 0 runs allowed in the playoffs speaks for itself. especially considering the teams he went against.

[8ArIvd5]

Who says he's under-valued? Had you bet on Cain every game for the last four years, you'd be down $1 grand (assuming $100 a game). In fact, there was slight value in fading him. The books never under-value.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

If you take the last three years, you'd be up $700. That isn't exactly large and would probably fall within statistical variance.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

If you take the last two years, you'd be up a bit more with a nicer ROI. It was really only 2009 where he was undervalued by the books.

http://killersports.com/mlb.py/query...7&submit=query

exactly. he's undervalued. down in last 4 years, up in last 3, even better ROI in last 2. market isn't adjusting to his development.

[THE HITMAN]

I always look for an opportunity to back him

[lakerboy]

fade him today

[MrShrink]

some people think his stats are skewed because the park he throws in. i think 0 runs allowed in the playoffs speaks for itself. especially considering the teams he went against.

also plays in mile high a lot. i guess the stick and mile high are also somewhat offset by petco, though.

[ebbearsfb1]

Yeah if anything look term stats are squeed, last 2 or 3 r most important as you wouldn't tell him when he was a nobody

[iifold]

Not looking good today, down 4-1..

[Otters27]

On the road vs. good team, vs. good pitcher de la Rosa

[Inspirited]

didn't think it was a good idea to pick him against de la rosa today.

[lakerboy]

fade him today

[LVBOUND]

100% run support.

[HilltopTony]

because of today.

[iifold]

he looked bad today, Tulowitzki owns this guy..

[encephalization]

Bah..

It is amazing how different a guy can be from game to game. The playoffs last year and this. Ah well, if Halliday can have a bad day so can Cain.

[Muscles]

Got murdered today...but that happens to everybody...it'll depend on what stats you have, K/9 vs total K's as he is more useful in the total K's setting. He usually doesn't get a ton of wins because of the teams offense and his inability to throw a ton of shutouts or 1 run games or even go deep in games. Doesn't help he's in the NL and will get pulled early for a pinch-hitter.