I don't think that I will ever understand this "beat the closer" infatuation. When you see value, go shopping and take the best available price. I keep very good records of all transactions and whether I beat the closing line or not isn't one of them and never will be. I really couldn't care less, in fact in some instances, I have no problem going against steam when I feel value is on the other side. I'm not saying that the market isn't efficient....actually I really don't care whether it is or not. There is really only one thing that tells you the story at the end of the day and that is your bankroll.