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    tiagmath
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    Arbitrage Stake: Big stakes? Small stakes? Average stakes?

    Hello,

    For those doing arbitrage I would like to know if you place big stakes (How much?) Or do you prefer placing small stakes? (50 Euros)

    Is it risky and suspicious to place big stakes like 250 Euros or it is normal ?

    Thanks.


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    As much as you can get down.


    Why would a big bet be suspicious?

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    $1000 minimum per side or your wasting your time

    Most arbers bet at least 3k each side

    dont arb to make $10

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    Bet as much as possible.

    if you're arming to make $3 per arb, put a bullet in your ear now.

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    dont listen to these idiots they are clueless they are just here to post and make the forum look busy. obviously they cant hold an intelligent conversation, cause if they were intelligent they wouldnt need to work as sbr fluffers

    yes betting high amounts will get you flagged as an arber and will get you limited very fast

    obviously small amounts is better and spread them across various books in order to get more money on the arb



    P.S. - there are actual gambling forums out there and ones that are specifically for arbers were you can get good information and advice. this isnt a gambling forum son, not really, if it is then its a very bad one
    Last edited by SportsMushroom; 07-18-14 at 10:50 AM.

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    [QUOTE=SportsMushroom;22262139]dont listen to these idiots they are clueless they are just here to post and make the forum look busy. obviously they cant hold an intelligent conversation, cause if they were intelligent they wouldnt need to work as sbr fluffers

    yes betting high amounts will get you flagged as an arber and will get you limited very fast

    obviously small amounts is better and spread them across various books in order to get more money on the arb



    /QUOTE]

    lol

    Yea, forget arbing for 10k at cantor, stick with $50 wagers and arbs worth $2 at 7-8 joints....lol

    There are hoards of books offshore and in Vegas that could care less if one is arbing.

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    [QUOTE=Fishhead;22262187]
    Quote Originally Posted by SportsMushroom View Post
    dont listen to these idiots they are clueless they are just here to post and make the forum look busy. obviously they cant hold an intelligent conversation, cause if they were intelligent they wouldnt need to work as sbr fluffers

    yes betting high amounts will get you flagged as an arber and will get you limited very fast

    obviously small amounts is better and spread them across various books in order to get more money on the arb



    /QUOTE]

    lol

    Yea, forget arbing for 10k at cantor, stick with $50 wagers and arbs worth $2 at 7-8 joints....lol

    There are hoards of books offshore and in Vegas that could care less if one is arbing.
    exactly

    If your arbing $200 a side I agree stop gambling today as you have no idea what arbing is

    Bet it straight for $20

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    [QUOTE=jjgold;22262201]
    Quote Originally Posted by Jjgold View Post

    exactly

    If your arbing $200 a side I agree stop gambling today as you have no idea what arbing is

    Bet it straight for $20

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    guys dont get it

    a 5 cent arb which is not easy to find on a major sport the arber has to invest a minimum of $5000 to even make it worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    guys dont get it

    a 5 cent arb which is not easy to find on a major sport the arber has to invest a minimum of $5000 to even make it worth it

    They could have a free shot at $50 for every $2000 wagered(1k each side)......which is basically $25 profit made on paper.


    $2000 needed on 5 cent scalp to profit roughly $25

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiagmath View Post
    Hello,

    For those doing arbitrage I would like to know if you place big stakes (How much?) Or do you prefer placing small stakes? (50 Euros)

    Is it risky and suspicious to place big stakes like 250 Euros or it is normal ?

    Thanks.

    Depends on bookie, sport/league and limits..

    For example, some books take your action without question if your bet stake is below 400€.
    Some books are interested in win stake, 500€ for normal leagues, 1000-2000€ for major leagues and 250€ for minor leagues. 2,000€ on Holland to win 1,30 may not look suspicious but even a 600€ bet on UKraine 2nd League Women Handball League may sound weird.

    Sometimes, you're lucky for being able to bet 2-3k in soft book side (you bet other side in sharp book also, so total volume makes 6-7k depending on odds) Sometimes, all you can bet is 400-500 in soft book side but it adds up! Still, I would not bother to bet for stakes below 200-250€. Remember, if softbook side's odd is high, then even 200€ can give you a nice profit.

    For example, I picked Serdarusic 5,10 at softbook for 240€ and picking the opponent (Groz) 1,29 at Pinnacle for 950€. It gives 35€ profit. Remember, that's just one trade. Make 20 arbs like this and you make 750€. Not to mention, 200-250€ is considered small stake in arbitrage betting. Sometimes, you bet 1500€, sometimes you bet 800€.

    I suggest to not overlook arbs with small stakes, they may not sound much but they add up.
    Last edited by Sawyer; 07-19-14 at 09:57 AM.

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    point is if your not arbing $2000 total each bet forget about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    point is if your not arbing $2000 total each bet forget about it
    This

    Much better off serving the community by flipping burgers at In-N-Out

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    point is if your not arbing $2000 total each bet forget about it
    Not really. I have many arbs with volume under 2000$ and they play a major role on volume I create. 500x2 or 400+600 (total volume) is a good arb. You may not be betting 2k all the time because of bookie limits.

    Betting 900 on 5 arbs is better then betting 4000 on a single arb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sawyer View Post
    Not really. I have many arbs with volume under 2000$ and they play a major role on volume I create. 500x2 or 400+600 (total volume) is a good arb. You may not be betting 2k all the time because of bookie limits.

    Betting 900 on 5 arbs is better then betting 4000 on a single arb.

    excellent point....true

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    Ok Sawyer point taken

    Good job

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    I was out in Vegas just last week doing arb, on the college games of the year, and season wins. I got some big money tied up, but i'll be collecting in December. here is an article on something similar to what I was doing

    http://linemakers.sportingnews.com/n...nes-vegas-odds

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    Sawyer these clowns dont no shit.

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    If you cannot move money very very quickly you have no shot at arbing

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    5%?
    ahhhh you americans dont know.... Can easily find 20-30% arbs on the really random soccer leagues. They will limit but even if they limit after 2 bets, you can still make 500.
    my record is 100% 3/1 overs, 3/1 unders lol

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    Gotta be careful with these %20-30 arbs. They may be palpable errors, sometimes bookmakers may void these kinda bets. However, I had some valid %15-20 arbs too specially in Canada League. This league is (was) gold mine for arbers. The only downside is, max wager limits are a little bit low but still you can make very satisfactory profit. Live arbing is also good if you're interested in high arbs.

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    Canadian college football leauge n hockey u can find legit 20% without risk of bad lines. Not many books offering lines that dont limit winners though

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    Thank you SportsMushroom ! Good idea to spread arbs accross various books! but I suppose that that the roi will decrease. with 2 books 5%, then 2 others books 3%, and the others 2 %. Better to look for another arb no ?

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    Thank you Sawyer! Good point !

    How do you know how much to bet ? I know some books indicate the maximum stakes. Do you use this to evaluate your stakes ?
    How many arbs do you place per day?

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    Arbing is about making small but consistent gains

    I trade looking to make 30-40 a day with practically no risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiagmath View Post
    Thank you Sawyer! Good point !
    How do you know how much to bet ? I know some books indicate the maximum stakes. Do you use this to evaluate your stakes ?
    How many arbs do you place per day?
    Yes. Some books indicate maximum bet limit, some doesn't but still you can know max limit. For example, X book accepts 500€ max win (based on net profit, not stake) on minor leagues and 1000€ on major leagues. Therefore, you know you can bet 2000€ on Chelsea 1,50. When you want to risk 2100€, a warning sign appears, "Stake is above max bet limit".

    Some Offside Gaming clones takes your bets without question if your stake is under 350€ but if you write above 400€, system may check your wager. So it's best to send a 300-350 stake first, then send the other part.

    You figure out max bookie limits by experience..

    How many arbs I place per day? Well, it's impossible to give an exact number. Sometimes 20-30, sometimes 6-7, sometimes 0 if i'm taking day off. But mostly 15-20/day.

    Btw, don't focus so much on ROI, it doesn't mean much in arbing. What you must focus is, Turnover. Turnover is vital. Your primary goal is to make much money as you can. You may even have to pick %1.5-%2 arbs sometimes, remember they do add up.

    Not to mention, you must pick even negative arbs if you spot a good middle. Under 189 +100, Over 187 -101. I would pick it all night long! Do you want to make massive profits? Then, focus on middle bets.
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    It's a full-time job 8 to 14 hours a day also if you use small stakes

    I guess it depends what you're looking for


    Sawyer excellent posting

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    Hi Saywer, sorry for the jump but i really enjoyd your replys.

    i'm starting my steps in arbing, my basic question is how much bookies should i work with? is there some kind of division (by number or precentage) between sharp ones and soft ones?

    by that, can you please recommend for each bookie - how much initial depodit should i post? because if i understand it correct - in order to bet avg. arb of lets say 1,000 EUR, i need much more bankroll in each bookie.

    so how do you know where to deposit and how much for each bookie? do you work with some kind of a list? can you please share it?

    i assume that i wouldn't work with everything you'll recommend as it depend on the country i reside in.

    really appreciate your answer as this importamt for me to know the initial amount for investment.

    thanks,

    Rudi.

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    anyone please??

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    Rudi

    gotta be able to move large sums of money fast or have ton$ of cash

    gotta have SOLID outs... 3-4 min

    gotta have the best fastest line service

    gotta be quick thinking

    gotta be suspicious of a wide differential - one cancelled big bet that was a winner is a killer

    Good luck finding/doing all of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    $1000 minimum per side or your wasting your time

    Most arbers bet at least 3k each side

    dont arb to make $10
    Thats what i did when noob and built up a 5 figure roll along the way.

    Not as many opportunities as there once was but still profitable if you look hard enough

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    Way too much effort now and need at least $50,000 to start

    All it is is waiting to get your money getting banned from sports books and have an account is locked

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    i'm convinced jj is here to spread misinformation concerning sportsbooks/betting etc

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    I love how guys bet thousands to win $10 free money

    It is the squarest thing you could ever do in life

    Non-risk takers are always very unsuccessful

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