[Frisco]

Don't really care for any of the games the next 2 days. What do you guys think the line will be when Minny goes to USC? -5.5? If NM is -8.5 at home against them I wouldn't think it would be higher than that #. Also can't wait to see the lines in these games: Temple/Duke, Illini/Zags, Utah/BYU, Valpo/NM, San Fran/Pacific. Get a battle of the most overrated when UCLA plays Texas! If only it could be a most overrated tourney then we could throw in Kentucky and USC.

[MrVJP]

USC-Minn projected -8.5.
Temple-Duke -9
Ill-Gonz -7.5
Utah-BYU -10
Val-NM -11.5
USF-Pac +3.5
UCLA-UT -5

Odd numbers for some of these but that's what the cpu spits out when projecting on 12/5, clearly will change somewhat since some played on 12/5 and some will play 12/6 but should be around there

[HOT WINGS]

Loyola MD on Saturday should be a good play. Fading St. Peters after a huge win against Iona for them and Loyola losing to Niagara at home. Probably around -4.5 I am guessing. What's comp say on that one MrVJP?

[MrVJP]

New numbers after yesterday's stuff were put in..
USC-Minn now at -9
Temple-Duke -7.5
Ill-Gonz -9.. I don't understand how this gap widened.
Utah-BYU -7
Val-NM -10.5
USF-Pac +3.5 same
UCLA-UT -5 same

Hot Wings, oddly enough, STPT-LMAR is showing -7.5

The comps don't take into effect mindsets, emotions, traveling distance, extra events- just pure numbers. The guys who make the lines do take these into account but they don't usually deviate THAT much from it. However, FLA-FSU was spitting out -11.5 and some genius decided to make it -4. Charlotte-Davidson was +3 but they made it +9.

[isotopes]

if Minnesota opens at -5.5 pound the hell out of it, that is a gift like the FL spread was yesterday. The books have to be sick of getting pounded by USC. I will guess it will be at least -7.5 to -8 which is still a good play.

[uncynd]

I'm hoping to see -2 on Loyola, nice thread

[THoll702]

I think the Illinois/Gonzaga will be around: Gonzaga -4 to -5 @ Spokane,Wa. Not alot going on today and tommorrow.GL Frisco.

[HOT WINGS]

I'm hoping to see -2 on Loyola, nice thread

You and me both. Don't think it wail be that lo ow though

[HOT WINGS]

New numbers after yesterday's stuff were put in..
USC-Minn now at -9
Temple-Duke -7.5
Ill-Gonz -9.. I don't understand how this gap widened.
Utah-BYU -7
Val-NM -10.5
USF-Pac +3.5 same
UCLA-UT -5 same

Hot Wings, oddly enough, STPT-LMAR is showing -7.5

The comps don't take into effect mindsets, emotions, traveling distance, extra events- just pure numbers. The guys who make the lines do take these into account but they don't usually deviate THAT much from it. However, FLA-FSU was spitting out -11.5 and some genius decided to make it -4. Charlotte-Davidson was +3 but they made it +9.

Thanks pal don't see how that zags line is that big.

[casinobones]

I think the Illinois/Gonzaga will be around: Gonzaga -4 to -5 @ Spokane,Wa. Not alot going on today and tommorrow.GL Frisco.

You better pound the hell out of Illinois too,if gonz is fav by 4 0r 5,Hell they barely bet Wash St last night,Not impressed with them.Illini defense and hustle,and outside shooting will win this one!IMHO

[MrVJP]

Thanks pal don't see how that zags line is that big.

Same, in terms of power ratings, Ill is #19 and Gonzaga is #13 so 9 points is too large for my tastes. By calculations, it seems its largely due to Gonzaga home win margin over Ill true road win margin (1pt over Hawaii) and strength of schedule. Still think the peeps who set the lines will approach it like the Michigan-NCState game where the cpu's sent out a large number around -11 and I think they set it to -7.5 Mich.

[MrVJP]

USC-Minn now at -9... Actual Open: -7 (closer to original -8.5)
Temple-Duke -7.5... Actual Open: -8
Ill-Gonz -9... Actual Open: -11.5 (Even further..)
Utah-BYU -7... Actual Open: -12 (closer to original -10)
Val-NM -10.5... Actual Open: -10
USF-Pac +3.5... Actual Open: -2.5 (Guess home court built this line)
UCLA-UT -5... Actual Open: +5.5 What the hell?
STPT-LMAR -7.5... Actual Open: -6