1. 02-25-10 07:44 AM #36
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    Hold him back from what? The man has held up the trophy 4x in his career with the potential to do it some more in his career. I don't see it happening because it's a new sheriff in town now, but the man is accomplished.
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  2. 02-25-10 07:52 AM #37
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    dumbest topic, its like colts better without manning
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  3. 02-25-10 08:58 AM #38
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    I've been saying it all along...

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...ml#post3293673
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  4. 02-25-10 09:04 AM #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxvince View Post
    dumbest topic, its like colts better without manning
    Read before you jump to conclusions. The point is that Kobe and the Lakers do not equal the sum of their parts.

    Kobe does not improve those around him, he hinders them. Obviously they need him if they want to win a championship, but they should be better with him than they are. He's just too selfish.
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  5. 02-25-10 09:04 AM #40
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    Kobe is a friging "Ball Hog". Needs to learn how to pass the ball off. My play from yesterday was the Bobcats. Talk about falling apart in the second half. Should have bet the first half only. !!!!
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  6. 02-25-10 09:05 AM #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetardStrength View Post
    I've been saying it all along...

    http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...ml#post3293673
    Exactly, your arguments in that thread are very similar to what I'm saying.
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  7. 02-25-10 09:05 AM #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxvince View Post
    dumbest topic, its like colts better without manning
    No the colts are better without manning....
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  8. 02-25-10 09:18 AM #43
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    He is a ball hog.
    I love watching lakers when he isn't playing.
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  9. 02-25-10 09:20 AM #44
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    It's just sad cause everyone rides his dick cause he puts up thirty and hits a buzzer beater to win a game they should probably win by double digits...

    Then the following night, Kobe still takes his 25 shots, and only makes 9 of them, still gets his 20 points, while most of the rest of the Lakers go through the motions of the "Kobe offense" and they end up losing to a Dallas team that they should absolutely beat...

    If you know anything about basketball it is absolutely BLINDING the way Kobe hinders the performance of some of the players on that team... Not to mention his off the court persona leave little room to bond and produce "real" relationships with his teammates...

    I have, and always will hate the way Kobe plays professional basketball... I don't hate on his individual skills, or the championships he's won (with the right supporting cast) but his "team" skills are and always will be shitty...
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  10. 02-25-10 09:28 AM #45
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    Seems like it normally brings out the best in Paul Gasol when the Lakers are with out Koby. This should help them out and give them added confidence down the road knowing they can win without him, like they did last week. Impressively too
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  11. 02-25-10 09:29 AM #46
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    RetardStrength well said.
    The games where he puts last second game winning shots lakers would win by 10 without him.
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  12. 02-25-10 09:33 AM #47
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    I'm sorry but as much I has hate Kobe, the lakers would go no where without him. Sure they moved the ball better when he wasnt there, but Kobes presence gives the lakers that fire that helps them win close games, such as that game against the thunder where Kobes first game back he bured a three to win the game.
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  13. 02-25-10 09:35 AM #48
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    lakers probably would have gotten rid of kobe if they were better without him, no?
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  14. 02-25-10 09:50 AM #49
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    LMAO Calling Stevenson an authority was attempt at humor. You will be terrified if he learns to play team basketball??? What happens then? They win the title?? Oh wait they already did that cause he gave up to the ball to Fisher for a 3 against the Magic.
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  15. 02-25-10 09:51 AM #50
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    Without a doubt the Lakers are a better team with Kobe. You have guys like Ron Artest who just seems lost at times. Pau Gasol don't demand the ball very much against teams that are being physical with him. Kobe is falling in love with the post up a bit much but it's a chemistry issue more than anything.
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  16. 02-25-10 09:52 AM #51
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    Good topic. LEts bring this back in June
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  17. 02-25-10 09:57 AM #52
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    just learn to appreciate what kobe brings to the league all of his heroics are good to watch, he is a hall of fame type player. they're not many players like him
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  18. 02-25-10 10:27 AM #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by RetardStrength View Post
    It's just sad cause everyone rides his dick cause he puts up thirty and hits a buzzer beater to win a game they should probably win by double digits...

    Then the following night, Kobe still takes his 25 shots, and only makes 9 of them, still gets his 20 points, while most of the rest of the Lakers go through the motions of the "Kobe offense" and they end up losing to a Dallas team that they should absolutely beat...

    If you know anything about basketball it is absolutely BLINDING the way Kobe hinders the performance of some of the players on that team... Not to mention his off the court persona leave little room to bond and produce "real" relationships with his teammates...

    I have, and always will hate the way Kobe plays professional basketball... I don't hate on his individual skills, or the championships he's won (with the right supporting cast) but his "team" skills are and always will be shitty...
    Very well said. He's a tremendously talented individual, but an absolutely awful team player.

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    LMAO Calling Stevenson an authority was attempt at humor. You will be terrified if he learns to play team basketball??? What happens then? They win the title?? Oh wait they already did that cause he gave up to the ball to Fisher for a 3 against the Magic.
    Yes, they have won playing this style, but that's no reason not to strive to be better. The Lakers have a lot of talent with Odom/Gasol/Artest/Bynum, but they don't win games nearly as easy as they should because Kobe doesn't raise the level of play of those around him. If you put Lebron in his place, the Lakers would be winning nearly every game by double digits.
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  19. 02-25-10 10:28 AM #54
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    Quote Originally Posted by kobefanatic View Post
    just learn to appreciate what kobe brings to the league all of his heroics are good to watch, he is a hall of fame type player. they're not many players like him
    He brings his individual talent and nothing more. He doesn't improve those around him and doesn't present a positive image off the court. Kobe lives for Kobe, not the Lakers, not the NBA, and not the game of basketball.
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  20. 02-25-10 10:31 AM #55
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    Quote Originally Posted by williams22 View Post
    He brings his individual talent and nothing more. He doesn't improve those around him and doesn't present a positive image off the court. Kobe lives for Kobe, not the Lakers, not the NBA, and not the game of basketball.
    so what the lakers are defending champs beeeitch
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