Mike you ever bet the group matchups for race?
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07-10-13 09:44 AM #71
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07-10-13 09:53 AM #72
Like picking the best finisher out of the 5 driver groups like group A, B, or C ect?
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07-10-13 09:55 AM #73
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07-10-13 10:00 AM #74
I've bet them a few times and never won 1 single time I don't think. LOL. Played 2 last season I think on lower groups with burton if I recall right
Never really spent much time looking last year or so but I'm sure some are smart plays and probably better than alot of win bets really. Funny u mention them cause I wouldn't mind finding a good 1 this week. I like the lower groups without all top favs usually when I've looked
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07-10-13 10:03 AM #75
Asked as LVH here will let you parlay them and debating it this week
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07-10-13 10:17 AM #76
I cant remember the last time ive cashed one of those group bets. And I've played quite a few
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07-10-13 12:03 PM #77
I know its not his favorite place but Kenseth opens at 20-1?
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07-10-13 12:04 PM #78
struggling to find any value here
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07-10-13 12:11 PM #79
Me too. My 2 main picks coming in were Bowyer and Gordon. Maybe Smoke. 8-1 on both trying to decide if I should wait til after qualifying I was hoping for much better openers. I think Jeff is sitting on a win but tough too back at under 10-1.
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07-10-13 12:13 PM #80
While he isn't terrible here a avg of 13th last few years. He has never won and probably better options
Originally Posted by Slimpickens
I know its not his favorite place but Kenseth opens at 20-1?
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07-10-13 12:15 PM #81
Originally Posted by Slimpickens
Think opposite on Gordon as be fading him on a few matchups they are just off right now. He may turn it around but have my doubts
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07-10-13 01:55 PM #82
His worst oval track on the circuit. He opened at 22-1 at think that's about right Originally Posted by Slimpickens
I know its not his favorite place but Kenseth opens at 20-1?
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07-10-13 02:10 PM #83
I agree about Gordon too, he has no value whatsoever imo no matter his odds. Him and Denny are way way overvalued with both their current team form imo.
bowyer has no business being single digits either.
taking any 2 favs early is really gonna box u in and bowyer and Denny don't qualify well either usually here.
for a track that just never has repeat winners the odds on the top guys aren't very good. Just my thoughts any1 of favs can win here, but odds wise they are offLast edited by 5mike5; 07-10-13 at 02:19 PM.
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07-10-13 02:16 PM #84
To would do 2 just because the payout will be big no matter what. Small risk big reward. Be fun to root to for. Can't parlay them anywhere offshore Originally Posted by Vegas39
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07-10-13 02:20 PM #85
speaking of Kenseth wasn't it here where he slammed the barrels full of water getting on pit road?
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07-10-13 02:30 PM #86
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07-10-13 02:30 PM #87
Thats what I have to work with Mike. Any input helpful
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07-10-13 02:46 PM #88
Shit buddy ur guess as good as mine. I never had any Luck with them. But if I was gonna parlay 2 of them guess I'd go with Logano in group C and vickers in group E. not sure either is a great play but there it is. There's always 2 u think u can beat and 2 that are so damn close its a coin flip for every group.
and those A and B groups are always so damn tough I wouldn't even try
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07-10-13 02:48 PM #89
I'm thinking offshore groups consist of 5 drivers not 4 like those, but I could be wrong about that. Cause odds are usually +200-+ 365 but that's cause 1 more driver involved.. I think.
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07-10-13 02:50 PM #90
Gonna think over maybe a few small ones just for kicks
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07-10-13 02:54 PM #91
Thats what I would do. Be fun to root for if nothing else and risk will be a good reward if they win. Wish I could parlay them cause I would for sure play them. I love longshot parlays though
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07-10-13 03:02 PM #92
What wife said she said I'm gonna parlay all 5
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07-10-13 03:20 PM #93
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07-10-13 03:30 PM #94
Daaaaaaaaaamn!!!!! Now THAT would PAY. Lol. I like the way she thinks. Originally Posted by Vegas39
What wife said she said I'm gonna parlay all 5
ill guess 400-1
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07-10-13 03:38 PM #95
Really like vickers> JPM as another single h2h (-115). But haven't pulled the trigger yet. He's beat him 5 or 6 times in a row at Loudon
Last edited by 5mike5; 07-10-13 at 03:42 PM.
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07-10-13 03:38 PM #96
Truex and Ambrose for the bottom two
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07-10-13 04:46 PM #97
That was 2004 at Dover Originally Posted by Vegas39
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07-10-13 04:50 PM #98
Thanks Yis knew one of the two tracks
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07-10-13 05:24 PM #99
Waltrip also did that once (slammed into some safety water barrels). I found that when I was looking around for what you mentioned.
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07-10-13 05:37 PM #100
Think it would be a shorter list what hasn't Waltrip hit
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07-10-13 06:20 PM #101
Nationwide:
Larson (+3800) ( won an k&n race here via GP)
Kyle B. (+275) ( won 3 Of last 4 here)
*****probably will add 1 more b4 the raceLast edited by 5mike5; 07-10-13 at 08:36 PM.
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07-10-13 06:22 PM #102
Have read a lot about comparing Phoenix, Richmond, and New Hampshire.
For what it is worth, this is how New Hampshire winners have fared at the first race at Phoenix/New Hampshire:
***(unless is scredwed up the data which is very much in play)
Year NH1 Pho1 Ric1 2012 Kahne, Kasey 34 5 2011 Newman, Ryan 5 20 2010 Johnson, Jimmie 3 10 2009 Logano, Joey 21 19 2008 Busch, Kurt 23 42 2007 Hamlin, Denny 3 3 2006 Busch, Kyle 36 5 2005 Stewart, Tony 33 2 2004 Busch, Kurt x 31 2003 Johnson, Jimmie x 19 19.8 15.6
Last ten winners at the first New Hampshire race have not won at either precursor tracks.
7 out of 18 top 5's.
Kurt Busch @ 25/1 looks like a lot of value to me.
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07-10-13 06:24 PM #103
kurt hasnt been good here lately, but he use to be though and at that price he is good value. And some data isn't relevant I agree cause u have engine failures, pit problems, and wrecks involved in those stats too. Why its always smart to watch the past races and not judge much if anything just off where drivers finish the races. I still like to look and use as a tool
these tracks are very different but alot of people compare them cause of the flatness of the track. I've read same thing and never understand why some put sooooo much emphasis on it, at least when were talking about winningLast edited by 5mike5; 07-10-13 at 06:36 PM.
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07-10-13 06:32 PM #104
The same books calling Kyle Larson "Reed Larson" again
I am tailing, mike.
Larson at 38/1 and Candyass at +350
betmania for the second one
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07-10-13 06:34 PM #105
I missed him at dimes at the best price.(+350+ cause greek was +350 so a touch better 4 sure) Just got home. But he will get even worse I'm guessing and can't leave him off here
Last edited by 5mike5; 07-10-13 at 06:48 PM.
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