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10-08-07 11:52 PM #1
Play of the night, Wed Oct 10
Last edited by curious; 10-10-07 at 10:58 PM. Reason: Changed bet size to equal expected value
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10-09-07 01:03 AM #2
All over navy moneyline and spread
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10-09-07 07:39 PM #3 Navy all the Way
I am new to this forum but love to study and bet all sports!!!!He is the main reason why i am going to pound NAVY!!!
PITTSBURGH (AP) -Not even Dan Marino started this soon in his Pitt career.
Pat Bostick, a high school senior a year ago, makes his first start at quarterback for Pitt on Saturday at Virginia. Coach Dave Wannstedt didn't want to make this move so early in the season or Bostick's career, but an ineffective offense that is threatening to ruin Pitt's season left him little choice.
Bostick will be Pitt's third starting QB in five games, following the injured Bill Stull and Kevan Smith, who was pulled at halftime of a 34-14 loss to Connecticut on Saturday.
Bostick takes over in his fifth college game.
Marino, by comparison, didn't start until more than halfway through his freshman season at Pitt in 1979. Darnell Dickerson, another non-redshirt freshman, made his first college start Nov. 7, 1987, against Rutgers, a week after replacing Sal Genilla in a loss to Syracuse.
Other Pitt quarterbacks have played as freshmen, most notably Alex Van Pelt in 1989, but they were redshirted.
Wannstedt wouldn't be doing this if Stull hadn't badly injured a thumb in the season opener. But Smith played so poorly in losses to Michigan State and UConn that it became obvious it was affecting the rest of the offense. At one point, Pitt (2-2) trailed UConn 34-7 in a home game the Panthers were favored to win big.
"Pat's done some positive things," Wannstedt said. "Let's see if he can take the next step."
The 18-year-old Bostick didn't challenge for the starting job after missing the first week of training camp for undisclosed personal reasons, and his conditioning also was in question. Now, he figures to be the starter until Stull returns.
Bostick was 27-of-42 for 230 yards and one touchdown while playing the second half against UConn, but threw three interceptions. He didn't face much of a rush with UConn content to lay back defensively and let Pitt drain the clock with short passes.
It could be much different at Virginia (3-1), which means another freshman - running back LeSean McCoy - may also play a major role. UConn's big lead and some puzzling play-calling led McCoy to carry only 11 times against the Huskies, but he has rushed for 417 yards and a 6.4 yards per carry average in his first four college games.
Unlike Bostick, McCoy spent last year at a prep school and didn't go directly from high school to major college football.
"I was really hopeful that we could have brought Pat along a little bit slower, to be honest," Wannstedt said. "LeSean has made enough plays and done enough things that he needs to be on the field."
To the 19-year-old McCoy, it's easier to make the transition to college football as a running back than as a quarterback.
"You really have to know everything (as a quarterback)," McCoy said. "A running back just has to know who to block and what the linemen are doing."
After Pitt's poor play Saturday, Wannstedt made his quarterbacks off limits to reporters, and Bostick hasn't talked about his pending start.
"Hopefully, me and LaRod (Stephens-Howling, Pitt's other top tailback) can get in there and help him out a little bit ... and he can get into a rhythm with some easy throws and easy reads," McCoy said. "No matter what class you are or how old you are, you have to be ready to play at this level. It's college football, big-time football, so sophomore or freshman, you have to come ready to play."
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10-09-07 08:43 PM #4
With you on this one Curious. And it's up to +5 at Bookmaker now.
Originally Posted by curious
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10-09-07 08:59 PM #5
I'm not sure why everyone likes Navy including that f*** bob. They are a terrible team. Their QB is half retarded.
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10-09-07 10:24 PM #6 How does Wannstedt keep a job??
He screwed up the Bears and Dolphins and was rewarded by getting the head coaching job with the Pitt Panthers. He has them on a steady decline which should surprise no one!! They haven't scored more than 14 in their last 3 games and face a team scoring 36 ppg in their last 3 contests. Pitt is starting a true freshman QB on the Wednesday night nationally televised game! The kid is a helluva lot more likely to make mistakes then to take advantage of the softer Navy defense. I'll take the disciplined, well coached kids and the points over a Wannstedt product any day of the week!! Take Navy plus 4.5 and the moneyline (+160). The total of 52 is pretty low as well when you consider Navy's games average 63.8 ppg!!
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10-09-07 10:50 PM #7
lets be honest their qb is 100 percent retard and thats why they win. the spread is allot lower then i thought it should be. Also take a look at navy against the spread as a road dawg they hit at a ridiculous clip something like 77 percent Originally Posted by moneyplays
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10-09-07 10:51 PM #8
Oh no, I didn't know Dr Bob liked navy Originally Posted by moneyplays
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10-10-07 02:53 PM #9
Add me to the Navy bandwagon. I took +4.5 only though, no moneyline.
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10-10-07 03:01 PM #10
Good job. Can you give us a single argument to back up Pitt please? Originally Posted by moneyplays
To the mods: Is it useful to keep a post like this? Did it contribute to anyone’s opinion about the game?
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10-10-07 03:09 PM #11
Hey go go racer, Originally Posted by pavyracer
I don't have an argument to backup Pitt. I just don't know why we have so many Navy backers seeing how their team is garbage and their QB is actually retarded. I am not taking Pitt and I do see the value in Navy. They play better away than home. You are right it prolly didn't help with anyone's opinion with the game I just wanted to point out that the QB is a fvcktard. With all that said I will end up putting money on Navy tonite.
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10-10-07 03:16 PM #12
The Good Doc is actually on the other side
"I’ll consider Pittsburgh a Strong Opinion at -5 points or less and I’d take Pitt as a 2-Star Best Bet at -3 points or less."
So with his recent troubles probably another good reason to go oppo.
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10-10-07 03:20 PM #13
Last week everyone so how obvious the +21 on Rice was (they ended up winning the game!) but there were guys with similar comments like yours that Southern Miss will crush them because they are a bad team. Originally Posted by moneyplays
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10-10-07 03:50 PM #14
Yeah, it wasn't an attack against the OP it was more me venting. I have sided with Navy a few times this year and I haven't done well. That QB has fvcked me. Anyways, BOL tonight. Originally Posted by pavyracer
mp
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10-10-07 04:08 PM #15
Pitt has the better athletes which should count for something, but to me the biggest retard tonight is Wannstedt. Other than the suits that keep hiring him that is!
I pounded Navy at 4.5 so just to cover myself a little made a hedge bet w/Pitt -3.5. If Navy wins on the moneyline or if Pitt wins by 4 then the drinks are on me!
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10-10-07 04:40 PM #16
LoL. Pitt QB might be a larger tard. Plus he's a frosh with like a 1/5 TD to INT ratio I think. Originally Posted by moneyplays
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10-10-07 04:59 PM #17
The TD to INT ratio is a bit misleading. Granted he is a frosh and is bound to make mistakes but Navy has only 3 sacks the entire year and having more time to make completions should help Pitt get on the board. I like the over particularly in this game.
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10-10-07 06:24 PM #18
Update:
I upped the bet size on Navy to 4 units on the spread and 2 units on the Moneyline.
I am going to be making the bet size equal the expected value from now on, using the kelly criterion to optimize bankroll growth with a risk ratio of 1%.
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10-10-07 10:59 PM #19
wOOt ... I went ML only hombre
I've almost made back my losses from last weekend now. Yay!
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10-10-07 10:59 PM #20
Winner!! Net 7.5 units Originally Posted by curious
Play of the night goes to 8-2 +30.5 units
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10-10-07 11:02 PM #21
Congrats! Originally Posted by curious
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10-10-07 11:04 PM #22
Great play curious. And congrats to the whole forum on our winning consensus pick on Navy.
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10-10-07 11:06 PM #23
Nice call curious. I bet way too much but I ended up winning so I can't complain!! Congrats Navy backers!!
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10-11-07 07:48 AM #24
Yes i said pound Navy TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!check my posts
I will be here all week
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10-11-07 07:50 AM #25
WE thought you meant the word "pound" in a homosexual connotation. Sorry. LOL Originally Posted by puttn4par
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10-11-07 08:57 AM #26
Navy +4 1/2 2 units
Navy ML 1 unit
Over 54 1 unit
Good start to the week everyone
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