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    Soft Lines? Over-rated/Under-rated?

    Every year there will be some teams that come through in ways that count for us..... ATS! Whether its constantly covering it or being a constant fade. The 1st few weeks of every season is where we can make the most $$ by finding these diamonds in the rough. Last year it was a ton of favorites like... Alabama, Boise St, LSU, Wisconsin, Houston, etc (if I recall correctly). The lines couldn't climb high enough early on. If you jumped on them early last year and rode the train you pocketed a bunch of cash. Just for tracking purposes I'm listing these here to keep track and see how they do. Feel free to add any I have missed. Again, this is solely for tracking and if you want to place bets for or against the list feel free to do so AT YOUR OWN RISK (Ave lines at time of post)


    W Kentucky 3-0 (note that they have covered 12 or more straight ATS dating back to Sept/Oct of 2011; vs S Miss 0-2) -4 vs S Miss
    Boise St 2-0 -7.5 vs BYU
    Utah St 3-0 -13.5 vs Colorado St
    UCLA 3-0 -10 vs Oregon St
    UL Monroe 2-0 +7.5 vs Baylor
    Florida 2-0 -24.5 vs Kentucky
    Hawaii 2-0 (Lamar late night line covered) +9 vs Nevada
    San Jose St 2-0 +3.5 vs San Diego St
    Ball St 3-0 +10.5 vs S Florida
    Conn 2-0-1 -1.5 vs W Michigan
    Fresno St 3-0-5.5 vs Tulsa
    Georgia Tech 3-0 -14 vs Miami

    Navy 0-2 NL vs VMI
    E Mich 0-3 +33 vs Michigan
    UAB 0-2 +37.5 vs Ohio St
    Virginia Tech 0-3 -19 vs Bowling Green
    S Miss 0-2 (plays W Kentucky 3-0 ATS) +4 vs W Kentucky
    USC 0-3 -15.5 vs Cal
    New Mexico 0-2 +7 vs NM St
    Virginia 0-2-1 +17.5 vs TCU
    Arkansas 0-2 -7 vs Rutgers
    Auburn 0-3 +20 vs LSU
    Colorado 0-2 (+1 loss to FCS team - No Line) +19 vs Wash St
    Wash St 0-2-1 -19 vs Colorado
    Cent Mich 0-2 (lost 9 in a row dating back to last season ATS) +16.5 vs Iowa
    NC St 0-2-1 NL vs Citadel
    Oregon 0-3 -24 vs Arizona
    Mass 0-3 (plays Miami OH) +26.5 vs Miami OH
    Miami (OH) 0-3 (plays UMass) -26.5 vs Mass
    Wisconsin 0-3 -17.5 vs UTEP
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    Boise State plays BYU this week not UL Monroe

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdarich View Post
    Boise State plays BYU this week not UL Monroe
    Thanks. Corrected

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    i think the key is figuring out which teams are going to be 6-0 or 0-6..... i don't think 3-0 are much more likely to cover than 0-3 teams, if at all

    one stat i asked about having seen but nobody responded is "points away from spread". some of these 3-0 teams have probably barely covered 2 of the games. i'd like to see a team that hasn't covered nicely (say 6+ points) in all 3 games (check unlv on the road the last few years for a team that hasn't comfortably NOT covered on the road the past couple of years)

    i also like the quieter teams in those lists. sjsu, uconn, hawai on 3-0 list. ncstate, virginia on 0-3 list. by liking i mean streak to continue... didn't realize new mexico was 0-2. one of my pre-season good team picks. although only went with them vs. texas (not texas tech).

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    Using this as a precursor for now. Road and home streaks vs the spread fairly easy to find upon looking futher into games. If I have time I may expand it to include those or even any teams w/ a streak lasting longer than 3-4 games. W Kentucky is definitely a team I want to keep an eye on. UMass is in its first season joining the FBS so there will definitely be an adjustment period. Definitely its the lesser known teams covering that I feel will be ones to keep watch on (W Kentucky, San Jose St, ULM, Fresno St etc). Hawaii is another but tough since its usually a chase game. Always wacky things happen w/ Hawaii games. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddhatter View Post
    Using this as a precursor for now. Road and home streaks vs the spread fairly easy to find upon looking futher into games. If I have time I may expand it to include those or even any teams w/ a streak lasting longer than 3-4 games. W Kentucky is definitely a team I want to keep an eye on. UMass is in its first season joining the FBS so there will definitely be an adjustment period. Definitely its the lesser known teams covering that I feel will be ones to keep watch on (W Kentucky, San Jose St, ULM, Fresno St etc). Hawaii is another but tough since its usually a chase game. Always wacky things happen w/ Hawaii games. Time will tell.
    i agree totally that it's a good screeing tool. and i agree that there must be tons of betters who don't know how wk, sjsu, fresno have done. why they would bet on games involving those teams i have no idea, but they see to do it.

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    W Kentucky 3-0 (note that they have covered 12 or more straight ATS dating back to Sept/Oct of 2011; vs S Miss 0-2) -4 vs S Miss W (42-17)
    Boise St 2-0 -7.5 vs BYU L (7-6)
    Utah St 3-0 -13.5 vs Colorado St L (31-19)
    UCLA 3-0 -10 vs Oregon St L (20-27)
    UL Monroe 2-0 +7.5 vs Baylor W (42-47)
    Florida 2-0 -24.5 vs Kentucky W (38-0)
    Hawaii 2-0 (Lamar late night line covered) +9 vs Nevada L (24-69)
    San Jose St 2-0 +3.5 vs San Diego St W (38-34)
    Ball St 3-0 +10.5 vs S Florida W (31-27)
    Conn 2-0-1 -1.5 vs W Michigan L (24-30)
    Fresno St 3-0 -5.5 vs Tulsa L (26-27)
    Georgia Tech 3-0 -14 vs Miami L (36-42)

    Navy 0-2 NL vs VMI (41-3)
    E Mich 0-3 +33 vs Michigan W (7-23)
    UAB 0-2 +37.5 vs Ohio St W (15-29)
    Virginia Tech 0-3 -19 vs Bowling Green W (37-0)
    S Miss 0-2 (plays W Kentucky 3-0 ATS) +4 vs W Kentucky L (17-42)
    USC 0-3 -15.5 vs Cal W (27-9)
    New Mexico 0-2 +7 vs NM St W (27-14)
    Virginia 0-2-1 +17.5 vs TCU L (27-7)
    Arkansas 0-2 -7 vs Rutgers L (26-35)
    Auburn 0-3 +20 vs LSU W (10-12)
    Colorado 0-2 (+1 loss to FCS team - No Line) +19 vs Wash St W (35-34)
    Wash St 0-2-1 -19 vs Colorado L (34-35)
    Cent Mich 0-2 (lost 9 in a row dating back to last season ATS) +16.5 vs Iowa W (32-31)
    NC St 0-2-1 NL vs Citadel (52-14)
    Oregon 0-3 -24 vs Arizona W (49-0)
    Mass 0-3 (plays Miami OH) +26.5 vs Miami OH W (16-27)
    Miami (OH) 0-3 (plays UMass) -26.5 vs Mass L (27-16)
    Wisconsin 0-3 -17.5 vs UTEP L (37-26)

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    Week 5

    Ball St 4-0 -1 vs Kent St
    Northwestern 4-0 -11.5 vs Indiana
    Purdue 3-0 -16.5 vs Marshall
    ULM 3-0 -18 vs Tulane
    San Jose St 4-0 -2.5 vs Navy
    Cincinnati 1-0 +7 vs Virginia Tech
    W Kentucky 4-0 -2.5 vs Arkansas St
    Texas Tech 3-0 -2.5 vs Iowa St
    Utah St 3-0-1 -17.5 vs UNLV
    Texas SA 2-0 +3.5 vs New Mexico St
    Fresno St 4-0 -7 vs San Diego St
    Oregon St 2-0 +3 vs Arizona


    Wisconsin 0-4 +12.5 vs Nebraska
    Virginia 0-3-1 +2.5 vs Louisiana Tech
    Arkansas 0-3 +13.5 vs TxA&M
    Miami OH 0-4 -4.5 vs Akron
    Houston 0-3 -5 vs Rice
    S Miss 0-3 +10.5 vs Louisville
    Washington St 0-3-1 +29 vs Oregon


    Week 4, W Kentucky had been matched up w/ S Miss for the perfect storm and continues to roll dating back to last season covering ATS 13+ times. This week they face an Ark St team w/ a potent offense ranked 15th in the nation @ 517 yds/g vs teams likes Oregon and Nebraska. W Kentucky is ranked 13th nationally for total defense @ 280 yds/g playing teams like Alabama and Kentucky. Sun Belt champs (Ark St) defending its title w/ W Kentucky coming to town riding a win streak @ home of 8 games. Last few years, games were decided by 4 pts or fewer. Will W Kentucky continue to win ATS?



    Side Note: Oregon 3-0-1 1H covering ATS. 2H 2-2 (2-0 last 2). Not entirely sure this is 100% correct but basing it just by looking at the scores. (1H line was -13 this past week vs Arizona for the push).
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    i think Oregon st has chance to real off some wins if they can beat out zna this week...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    i think Oregon st has chance to real off some wins if they can beat out zna this week...
    I agree. San Jose St is another team to watch IMO. Flip side, I think Houston may finally cover this week vs Rice and possibly Wash St. Only because Oregon will be resting its starters in the 2H. I wouldn't be putting any $$ on any of those teams in the losing ATS list though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddhatter View Post
    I agree. San Jose St is another team to watch IMO. Flip side, I think Houston may finally cover this week vs Rice and possibly Wash St. Only because Oregon will be resting its starters in the 2H. I wouldn't be putting any $$ on any of those teams in the losing ATS list though.
    i agree. not sure i'd back any of those losing ATS teams but i'd back most winning ATS teams. and i'm not that biased as i took colorado last week

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2daBank View Post
    i think Oregon st has chance to real off some wins if they can beat out zna this week...
    I am really thinking about hitting Zona this weekend. Oregon State has played well and got two big wins in a row but are on road for second straight week. Just seems like a good spot to fade them. Arizona will be looking to rebound this week. I think they played better than the final score of last week indicated, they just couldnt close in redzone and eventually waived the white flag as Oregon started running up score in 2nd half. I generally hate taking -3 or less favs but there are a few I like this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddhatter View Post
    Week 5

    Ball St 4-0 -1 vs Kent St L (43-45)
    Northwestern 4-0 -11.5 vs Indiana W (44-29)
    Purdue 3-0 -16.5 vs Marshall L (51-41)
    ULM 3-0 -18 vs Tulane W (63-10)
    San Jose St 4-0 -2.5 vs Navy W (12-0)
    Cincinnati 1-0 +7 vs Virginia Tech W (27-24)
    W Kentucky 4-0 -2.5 vs Arkansas St W (26-13)
    Texas Tech 3-0 -2.5 vs Iowa St W (24-13)
    Utah St 3-0-1 -17.5 vs UNLV W (35-13)
    Texas SA 2-0 +3.5 vs New Mexico St W (35-14)
    Fresno St 4-0 -7 vs San Diego St W (52-40)
    Oregon St 2-0 +3 vs Arizona W (38-35)


    Wisconsin 0-4 +12.5 vs Nebraska W (27-30)
    Virginia 0-3-1 +2.5 vs Louisiana Tech L (38-44)
    Arkansas 0-3 +13.5 vs TxA&M L (10-58)
    Miami OH 0-4 -4.5 vs Akron W (56-49)
    Houston 0-3 -5 vs Rice W (35-14)
    S Miss 0-3 +10.5 vs Louisville W (17-21)
    Washington St 0-3-1 +29 vs Oregon W (26-51)


    Week 4, W Kentucky had been matched up w/ S Miss for the perfect storm and continues to roll dating back to last season covering ATS 13+ times. This week they face an Ark St team w/ a potent offense ranked 15th in the nation @ 517 yds/g vs teams likes Oregon and Nebraska. W Kentucky is ranked 13th nationally for total defense @ 280 yds/g playing teams like Alabama and Kentucky. Sun Belt champs (Ark St) defending its title w/ W Kentucky coming to town riding a win streak @ home of 8 games. Last few years, games were decided by 4 pts or fewer. Will W Kentucky continue to win ATS? Continues to roll.... 14+ win streak ATS.



    Side Note: Oregon 3-0-1 1H covering ATS. 2H 2-2 (2-0 last 2). Not entirely sure this is 100% correct but basing it just by looking at the scores. (1H line was -13 this past week vs Arizona for the push).
    Interesting results so far. 3/4 dogs from the Win Streak List last week covered & won straight up. This week, all 3 dogs won SU. That's 6-1 since I started tracking. Also, Win Streak List went 10-2 ATS this week. Had a feeling most would cover but not to this extent. Losing Streak List also wasn't surprising that most didn't cover ATS and actually ended up 2-5. Considering as the weeks go on, this list should start diminishing and providing decent fades. We'll see...

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    hey, great stuff... perfects and winless ats have both been good picks. some perfects still under the radar, like sjsu. only 2 winless = ark and va.... ark is prob still fade altho the lines are reflecting their horrible play. va prob. good to back. turnovers vs. la tech

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    15-4....thats crazy...good work! I don't know if you follow totals but they work for me. La Tech is 3-1 ATS and easily easily 4-0 Over avg 89 ppg

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    situational too but i'd be happy backing all those perfect teams blind if necessary. def rather go with them than against...

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    i did this off two slightly different lists....

    perfect OVER teams went 11-1 last week OVER. UNLV dropped off. some teams are way over OVER the last 2 games

    perfect UNDER were 5-5 UNDER. a bunch didn't play. perfect UNDER seems hard. a few int's, fumbles, kr for ts can imperil a 41 O/U

    the week for OVERS must be anamoly. cant bethat easy altho i'd believe 60%. you'd think people would screen for this.... some really good 4-1 or 3-1 OVER teams too

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    Week 6

    Utah St 4-0-1 +7 vs BYU
    Northwestern 5-0 +3 vs Penn St
    Texas Tech 4-0 +5 vs Oklahoma
    ULM 4-0 -3 vs MTSU
    Oregon St 3-0 -15.5 vs Washington St
    Cincinnati 2-0 -20.5 vs Miami OH
    Fresno St 5-0 -16 vs Colorado St


    Arkansas 0-4 +10 vs Auburn
    Virginia 0-4-1 +2.5 vs Duke



    Overs

    Indiana 3-0 O48 vs Michigan St
    Akron 4-0 O63.5 vs Bowling Green
    Cent Mich 2-0-1 O66.5 vs Toledo
    Ball St 4-0-1 O67.5 vs N Illinois
    ULM 4-0 O66.5 vs MTSU
    LA Tech 4-0 O68.5 vs UNLV
    Georgia 5-0 O57 vs S Carolina
    Miami 4-0 O51.5 vs Notre Dame


    Unders

    Utah St 4-0 U45 vs BYU
    Kansas 3-0 U53.5 vs Kansas St
    Michigan St 4-0-1 U48 vs Indiana
    Miss St 3-0 U46.5 vs Kentucky
    Bowling Green 4-0 U63.5 vs Akron
    Oklahoma 2-0 U58.5 vs Texas Tech
    TCU 3-0 U44.5 vs Iowa St
    Washington 3-0 U65 vs Oregon


    Added some O/Us just to track for now. Possible opportunities for sure like what Mr Handicappable has said. Without capping any deeper I do like Oregon St to cover and also the under. Will look more into this weekend's games as the week progresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gojetsgomoxies View Post
    i did this off two slightly different lists....

    perfect OVER teams went 11-1 last week OVER. UNLV dropped off. some teams are way over OVER the last 2 games

    perfect UNDER were 5-5 UNDER. a bunch didn't play. perfect UNDER seems hard. a few int's, fumbles, kr for ts can imperil a 41 O/U

    the week for OVERS must be anamoly. cant bethat easy altho i'd believe 60%. you'd think people would screen for this.... some really good 4-1 or 3-1 OVER teams too
    Crappy defense, good offense type of teams. High scoring teams usually stay consistent. Conference play for some so have to watch for that. Once you start getting more conference match-ups, there may be some good opportunity to jump on the unders in certain scenerios.

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    good analysis!

    and i agree conf play differs from non-conf

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