[PickWinnerAllDay]

Who is going to surprise? End up like 12-1 on the year ATS? Want to hear some thoughts on this.

[William Walters]

Oregon lost 6 starters on offense and 5 on defense.............including starting QB (Thomas) and starting RB (James). But, they'll reload and remain extremely dynamic on offense. The schedule sets up nicely for the new QB...........first four games at home. However, they have a tough two weeks in early November.......at USC and at Cal. I think they'll put up enough points to cover the line early in the season and on/off the second half. Not "12-1 ATS" as you requested, but still worth a look.

[zoo youk]

Oregon lost 6 starters on offense and 5 on defense.............including starting QB (Thomas) and starting RB (James). But, they'll reload and remain extremely dynamic on offense. The schedule sets up nicely for the new QB...........first four games at home. However, they have a tough two weeks in early November.......at USC and at Cal. I think they'll put up enough points to cover the line early in the season and on/off the second half. Not "12-1 ATS" as you requested, but still worth a look.

was just going to say Oregon. Brian Bennet is absolutely sick. their offense is going to be unstoppable with him and DAT

[PickWinnerAllDay]

I"m sure Kansas State will still be a pretty solid play from week to week. People still don't give them enough credit.

[Brock Landers]

I"m sure Kansas State will still be a pretty solid play from week to week. People still don't give them enough credit.

good point, made some nice cash off them last year, they were dogs at home vs missouri and i fukking nailed it

[seaborneq]

Arkansas will still score points, might even play some defense with casanova petrino off of the campus. Rich rod might not cover any games his first year at arizona, everybody runs his offense in the pac 12.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

As long as Rob Bolden never sees the field, could be some nice value on PSU in certain spots/

[Sunde91]

some lines here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...es-2012-a.html
Oregon will be vastly undervalued yep everyone will be fading them real darkhorse there

Tenn returns 10 on O +QB and 8 on D. -1 vs. Mizzou. Maybe the worst line from those games. +5.5 vs UF also bad

Nebraska returns 7 on O +3 year starting QB and RB and 7 on D. Redemption year with experience and low national expectation. +2 vs Mich and -3 vs Wisc is a joke. They were also a totally ridiculous -12.5 vs. So Miss at 5Dimes, but the line is now -14.5

Stanford is an easy fade +5 @ND, +13@Ore, -4 @ Cal

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Tennessee -1 vs Mizzou does sound tempting.

Hmmm.

[William Walters]

some lines here http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...es-2012-a.html
Oregon will be vastly undervalued yep everyone will be fading them real darkhorse there

Tenn returns 10 on O +QB and 8 on D. -1 vs. Mizzou. Maybe the worst line from those games. +5.5 vs UF also bad

Nebraska returns 7 on O +3 year starting QB and RB and 7 on D. Redemption year with experience and low national expectation. +2 vs Mich and -3 vs Wisc is a joke. They were also a totally ridiculous -12.5 vs. So Miss at 5Dimes, but the line is now -14.5

Stanford is an easy fade +5 @ND, +13@Ore, -4 @ Cal

Well aren't you the funny guy. Funny like ha ha....like a clown. Picker didn't ask for a darkhorse.........he asked who may surprise against the spread. Many players will look at what Oregon lost and expect a step back on offense........my point was I don't see that happening and there may be value early in the season.

[ebbearsfb1]

willie what you think about washington state?

over or under valued?


i think points could be made either way




stanford will be overvalued first few weeks of the season

[William Walters]

willie what you think about washington state?

over or under valued?


i think points could be made either way




stanford will be overvalued first few weeks of the season

I think if WSU QB can stay healthy.............they'll surprise some people. I'm a believer in the Leach system........in that it can elevate a football program from mediocre to annual bowl game contender. We'll have to see what he can do with the defense though. WSU isn't as skilled and/or deep as many in the Pac 12.

[k13]

Life would be easy if we could predict who's going to go 12-1 ATS before it happens.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Life would be easy if we could predict who's going to go 12-1 ATS before it happens.

We could all retire if that 12-1 team lost that 1 game early.

[ebbearsfb1]

Agreed willie.. they might be playing a lot of games in the 40s.. should be good for some late night east coast action.. gonna be following ru real close live 5 mins from the stadium, think they'll surprise some people even with schiano leaving.. schiano was not a good game day coach, think they can be much improved with a one qb deal and enough rotating

[ebbearsfb1]

Agreed willie.. they might be playing a lot of games in the 40s.. should be good for some late night east coast action.. gonna be following ru real close live 5 mins from the stadium, think they'll surprise some people even with schiano leaving.. schiano was not a good game day coach, think they can be much improved with a one qb deal and enough rotating

[Sunde91]

lol he asked for undervalued (presumes they will be unexpected) and you name a likely top 5 team everyone will still love with DAT and all the talent, who's the clown? Say something sensible instead of getting defensive

[zoo youk]

Dont forget about washington and keith price, he could very well be in the heisman race

[bobby heenan]

the tyler bray/justin hunter connection is deadly....bray could really make everyone serve notice this year

[ebbearsfb1]

Yeah tennessee came on strong end of last year... good choice... see some good options in here can't wait for the season to start.. love the summer but college football is special

[frogsrangers]

TCU will be undervalued in the Big 12 because people think they cant compete in the league. But TCU is better than Okie State and Texas two teams they are dogs against right now. Grab TCU now in those games because I think TCU will eventually be favored in them

[CanuckG]

Washington Huskies

[allabout the $$$]

clemson right now florida state getting all the publicity. they looked bad in the bowl game. but the defense returns a lot of players and will be much better this year they have sammy watkins returning depending on his status with his arrest. over will be a steady play for me with this team

[HoulihansTX]

West Virginia

[fishmonger]

San Jose state. ATS of course. But could challenge for the wac champs.

[frogsrangers]

Keep an eye on:

Louisiana Tech
SMU
Central Florida

All will be undervalued in non conference. All 3 have home games vs. SEC teams in non conference. Load up on the points they will get in those games.

[Inkwell77]

No team will go 12-1 ats this year.

[ajcobb22]

Keep an eye on:

Louisiana Tech
SMU
Central Florida

All will be undervalued in non conference. All 3 have home games vs. SEC teams in non conference. Load up on the points they will get in those games.

YOU are a smarty pants my friend. I am semi-confident in your Louisiana Tech ATS prediction, but HELLA confident in UCF and SMU ATS this year. The OSU vs UCF game will be closer than we will expect and that is early in the year. I will be at the Mizzou vs UCF game and I wouldn't be surprised if we beat them. GOOD ATS teams you have listed there my friend.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

okc st was money last year and the year before. hope we can find another team like them this year.

[ebbearsfb1]

Ull.. the team can score in bunches.. could be good in out of conference one of the favorites to win the sun belt

[frogsrangers]

YOU are a smarty pants my friend. I am semi-confident in your Louisiana Tech ATS prediction, but HELLA confident in UCF and SMU ATS this year. The OSU vs UCF game will be closer than we will expect and that is early in the year. I will be at the Mizzou vs UCF game and I wouldn't be surprised if we beat them. GOOD ATS teams you have listed there my friend.

Lousiana Tech vs. Texas A&M
Missouri vs. UCF
SMU vs. Texas A&M
SMU vs. Baylor
UCF @ Ohio State

I really think that the "smaller" schools here are actually the better team in all of the matchups listed. It's pretty much rebuilding major conference team that is not really going to make any noise this year vs. the strongest teams in the WAC/CUSA who return a lot and have the experience needed. However all 3 teams will be dogs in these games, likely by 14 points or more. But take the points, I think on paper they are the better teams and will get the home crowd behind them too. I'd bet the money line in LA Tech vs. Texas A&M and UCF vs. Missouri, I think those are straight up wins.

[lakerboy]

Life would be easy if we could predict who's going to go 12-1 ATS before it happens.

at least we will get to find out via a brahmabull thread

[frogsrangers]

Just by looking at Week 1, here are some games that catch my eye and my guess on what the line will be:

Minnesota -13 @ UNLV
South Carolina -17 @ Vanderbilt
Texas A&M -17 @ Louisiana Tech
Washington State +21 @ BYU
Tennessee +3 vs. North Carolina State
Notre Dame -21 vs. Navy
San Jose State +28 @ Stanford
Tulsa +7 @ Iowa State
Ohio +14 @ Penn State
Wyoming +24 @ Texas
San Diego State +14 @ Washington
Southern Miss +21 @ Nebraska
Iowa -10 vs. Northern Illinois
SMU +14 @ Baylor

So many teams are inflated or deflated in non conference, especially in Week 1, based on what conference they play in and the logo on their helmet, not on how good their team is.

Take the bolded teams here

[bobby heenan]

San Jose state. ATS of course. But could challenge for the wac champs.

They were cash last year...made a lot of money off them....Indian cowboy always played them

[ebbearsfb1]

Frog I think vandy is plus 10 vs south carolina week1 atleast according to 5 dimes the last I looked