[bjpenn85]

Was a pretty huge robbery.

But I agree Nate can win standing if he fixes his kick defense possibly.

Hes never really focused on improving, not on his wrestling etc. He is childish moron that waste his incredible talent on being a childish wannabe gangster. He should focus on his own career and development. He loses by being a stupid shadow of his brothers fame.

[JIBBBY]

2 Team Parlay
Pending 12/19/15 9:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance -380* vs Overeem / Santos goes 3 round distance
Pending 12/19/15 8:30pm MMA Props Fighting 1235 Diaz / Johnson starts round 3 -185* vs Fight won’t start round 3

Should cash, I like it....

[JIBBBY]

CB Dolloway vs Nate Marquardt.. Hmmmm?

UFC on Fox 17 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Amway Center - Orlando, Florida - FS1
Sat 12/19		1501 Nate Marquardt		+350	o1½ -160
7:00PM		1502 C.B. Dollaway		-440	u1½ +140

I'd say the sport has passed Nate bye at this point, CB Dolloway whom is peaking now should steam roll Nate.. I'd say if the old Nate Marquardt shows up he will make this a fight though, big if. Nate has shown decent striking skills and always had some defensive wrestling and Jits... Strong guy in the cage for the most part.. Nate's chin is arguably glass at 36 years old also...

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nate-Marquardt-1712

Bottom line is Nate has now lost 5 of 6 fights and I honestly don't understand why he is still employed under the UFC banner? A must win for Nate in this fight to keep his job one would think.. A win over CB would be huge for Nate as well..

CB Doll is the play though make no mistake about it.. However that Nate KO prop is always tempting.. The Under 1.5 at +140 might not be a bad call either..

1529 Marquardt wins by TKO/KO

+760

1533 Dollaway wins by TKO/KO

+170

[UncleChael]

Hes never really focused on improving, not on his wrestling etc. He is childish moron that waste his incredible talent on being a childish wannabe gangster. He should focus on his own career and development. He loses by being a stupid shadow of his brothers fame.

You lose everyday by coming on here and sharing your thoughts.

[mirinquads]

You lose everyday by coming on here and sharing your thoughts.

WOW why would you do a Maquardt slam on BJ penn like that bruh?

[JIBBBY]

That's a WWE wrestling dump right there^^ Nate thinks he was in wrestle mania with that slam.. Tried to break the dudes neck.. Ruthless, I like that holmes.. Just like Unc is being with B...

Unc is feeling a bit froggy these days with all his winnings and stellar picks and he doesn't like to be second guessed!!..

[JIBBBY]

We got a WSOF event on tomorrow night.. Locky get on it brother!!!! Start that thread... Odds are out and I got it nailed down..

Alexandre Almeida vs Lance Palmer - Featherweight 5 rounds - WSOF 26 propositions
Fri 12/18		5003 Almeida / Palmer goes 5 round distance		+250
11:00PM		5004 Fight won’t go 5 round distance		-350
Fri 12/18		5005 Almeida wins inside distance		+629
11:00PM		5006 Not Almeida inside distance		-1285
Fri 12/18		5007 Almeida wins by 5 round decision		+1400
11:00PM		5008 Not Almeida by 5 round decision		-3600
Fri 12/18		5009 Palmer wins inside distance		-215
11:00PM		5010 Not Palmer inside distance		+165
Fri 12/18		5011 Palmer wins by 5 round decision		+250
11:00PM		5012 Not Palmer by 5 round decision		-350
Fri 12/18		5013 Almeida / Palmer draw		+20000
11:00PM		5014 Fight not a draw		-60000
Nic Herron-Webb vs Ozzy Dugulubgov - Lightweight 3 rounds - WSOF 26 propositions
Fri 12/18		5103 Webb / Dugulubgov goes 3 round distance		-155
10:30PM		5104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		+115
Fri 12/18		5105 Webb wins inside distance		+630
10:30PM		5106 Not Webb inside distance		-1290
Fri 12/18		5107 Webb wins by 3 round decision		+750
10:30PM		5108 Not Webb by 3 round decision		-1580
Fri 12/18		5109 Dugulubgov wins inside distance		+171
10:30PM		5110 Not Dugulubgov inside distance		-232
Fri 12/18		5111 Dugulubgov wins by 3 round decision		+117
10:30PM		5112 Not Dugulubgov by 3 round decision		-123
Fri 12/18		5113 Webb / Dugulubgov draw		+16500
10:30PM		5114 Fight not a draw		-49500
Sheymon Moraes vs Robbie Peralta - Bantamweight 3 rounds - WSOF 26 propositions
Fri 12/18		5203 Moraes / Peralta goes 3 round distance		+125
10:00PM		5204 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		-165
Fri 12/18		5205 Moraes wins inside distance		+159
10:00PM		5206 Not Moraes inside distance		-205
Fri 12/18		5207 Moraes wins by 3 round decision		+295
10:00PM		5208 Not Moraes by 3 round decision		-415
Fri 12/18		5209 Peralta wins inside distance		+260
10:00PM		5210 Not Peralta inside distance		-380
Fri 12/18		5211 Peralta wins by 3 round decision		+350
10:00PM		5212 Not Peralta by 3 round decision		-530
Fri 12/18		5213 Moraes / Peralta draw		+16500
10:00PM		5214 Fight not a draw		-49500
Josh Hill vs Bekbulat Magomedov - Bantamweight 3 rounds - WSOF 26 propositions
Fri 12/18		5303 Hill / Magomedov goes 3 round distance		-165
9:30PM		5304 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		+125
Fri 12/18		5305 Hill wins inside distance		+495
9:30PM		5306 Not Hill inside distance		-885
Fri 12/18		5307 Hill wins by 3 round decision		+250
9:30PM		5308 Not Hill by 3 round decision		-350
Fri 12/18		5309 Magomedov wins inside distance		+215
9:30PM		5310 Not Magomedov inside distance		-295
Fri 12/18		5311 Magomedov wins by 3 round decision		+167
9:30PM		5312 Not Magomedov by 3 round decision		-222
Fri 12/18		5313 Hill / Magomedov draw		+15000
9:30PM		5314 Fight not a draw		-45000
Clinton Williams vs Jake Heun - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - WSOF 26 propositions
Fri 12/18		5403 Williams / Heun goes 3 round distance		+115
9:00PM		5404 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		-155
Fri 12/18		5405 Williams wins inside distance		+180
9:00PM		5406 Not Williams inside distance		-260
Fri 12/18		5407 Williams wins by 3 round decision		+460
9:00PM		5408 Not Williams by 3 round decision		-780
Fri 12/18		5409 Heun wins inside distance		+186
9:00PM		5410 Not Heun inside distance		-266
Fri 12/18		5411 Heun wins by 3 round decision		+213
9:00PM		5412 Not Heun by 3 round decision		-293
Fri 12/18		5413 Williams / Heun draw		+16500
9:00PM		5414 Fight not a draw

[Sanity Check]

Diaz looked good when he beat Gray Maynard.

Its been said Diaz had a significant injury when he fought RDA. They've never disclosed what it was.

[Unwritten Law]

Diaz/Menace will go the distance in a 3 rounder. I also like Jury and Overeem.

[TPowell]

Donald Cerrone has amazing value. A Jackson-Wink game-plan against a guy possibly coming off the juice that he arguably would have defeated in a 5 round fight when they met not long ago. I think Cerrone turns it on in round 3 and dominates the championship rounds. I think he can survive the first couple without being in too bad of shape and honestly, I think he may be able to win 1 of the first couple rounds because he'll have a solid strategy this go around. I think Cerrone by decision is the likely outcome

[TPowell]

Card is very hit or miss IMO. No way am I betting the Dolloway/Nate fight. One has zero fight IQ or chin and the other is so washed up it isn't even funny. Maybe check out the ITD plays? No way I back a Diaz or lay that kind of juice against one but maybe Johnson by decision at even money is good? Nate has a solid chin and should be able to survive but who knows. I really thought I would play Oliveira against Jury, but everyone STILL seems high on Jury after that embarrassment of a performance in his last fight out. Will probably wait and see how he performs in his FW debut. Too much juice on the JDS fight. I think he should tag him but -180 or so is a lot to lay.

[JIBBBY]

Donald Cerrone has amazing value. A Jackson-Wink game-plan against a guy possibly coming off the juice that he arguably would have defeated in a 5 round fight when they met not long ago. I think Cerrone turns it on in round 3 and dominates the championship rounds. I think he can survive the first couple without being in too bad of shape and honestly, I think he may be able to win 1 of the first couple rounds because he'll have a solid strategy this go around. I think Cerrone by decision is the likely outcome

Cowboy doesn't have a strategy as he's probably gonna fight exactly like did in their first bout and that's come forward and man up using his KB skills.... That might just be enough to win in this 5 rounder.. Or we could be looking at Cowboy going unconscious for the first time if RDA lands one of those over hand right hook bombs like he did in their first fight....

I really like Cowboy but he does fight with his chin up at times.

[Killer_Demo]

Hope Donald wins. Cowboy vs conor would be epic

[TPowell]

On to what I do like

In the first fight, Francis Ngannou should outweigh his opponent by 20-30 pounds and he is a very raw but freak athlete who has great footwork for a heavyweight. The guy has decent takedown defense and decent subs considering. I just can't see the brazilian getting him to the ground and holding him there. The guy (Luis Henrique) should be fighting at 205 where he can use his solid grappling attack against smaller guys. Henrique is a solid grappler but even there he has a tendency to get a little overaggressive and sloppy which is a bad combo. Don't think about it, just take the bigger and more athletic guy to win the fight

Hard to believe Jim Alers is a favorite after being finished by Chas Skelly. Alers just has an awful chin and Cole Miller isn't exactly powerless on the feet. I think Miller could also finish him with a sub even though Alers isn't awful on the ground by any means. I think the way the odds are, Miller ITD is a decent play.

I think Karolina Kowalkiewicz by decision would be a very good play as well. She's +170 right now in general, but it just depends on the price. She is a very strong striker who has great technique and conditioning against a woman that tends to gas in fights. Her takedown defense is good, so she should be able to ward off some of the Markos takedown attempts. Markos is still developing on the feet and would probably get picked apart by the much more technical Karolina if the fight stayed there.

I like Usman and Samman in a parlay together and better than even money but I'm getting lazy typing sooooo

[TPowell]

Cowboy doesn't have a strategy as he's probably gonna fight exactly like did in their first bout and that's come forward and man up using his KB skills.... That might just be enough to win in this 5 rounder.. Or we could be looking at Cowboy going unconscious for the first time if RDA lands one of those over hand right hook bombs like he did in their first fight....

I really like Cowboy but he does fight with his chin up at times.

Something to keep in mind that Cerrone has had 7 months to prepare for this. He hasn't had that much time in between fights in years I don't think. Good chance he comes into this fight at his absolute peak

[bjpenn85]

I dont understand the argument about the layoff in favour of cerrone, Dos anjos havent fought since march, he probably had long time to prepare for the fight as well. Even if juicing he appears to be in great shape also last year, dec 2014. I think his cardio is legit. People talk about the last fight against cerrone, but that was the old dos anjos without cardio. Dos anjos cardio didnt improve over night. It did happen progressively through the last fights. The steroid probably if nothing gives Dos Anjos an unfair advantage. Its later he will get burnt for it. A norwegian study proved that muscle cells indeed have memory, so the individual who juices have advantage even 2-3 years later. Faster, better cardio etc. Antonio Silva is dependant of the steroid because an illness, of course he immediately will look bad : hes off his f medicine!!!!!!!! Its not a relevant comparison. Vitor Belfort had juiced for 10 years if not 15...of course hes performance would drop of. So the cheating bastard dos anjos is probably only going to be even better. Ever went to the gym with someone who juiced? They still beat your ass even when they come off. They take a few steps back, sure, but their still better than you, its a reason why they call it cheating.

[PaperTrail07]

Samman should be $$....Easy $$ that is...

[TPowell]

I dont understand the argument about the layoff in favour of cerrone, Dos anjos havent fought since march, he probably had long time to prepare for the fight as well. Even if juicing he appears to be in great shape also last year, dec 2014. I think his cardio is legit. People talk about the last fight against cerrone, but that was the old dos anjos without cardio. Dos anjos cardio didnt improve over night. It did happen progressively through the last fights. The steroid probably if nothing gives Dos Anjos an unfair advantage. Its later he will get burnt for it. A norwegian study proved that muscle cells indeed have memory, so the individual who juices have advantage even 2-3 years later. Faster, better cardio etc. Antonio Silva is dependant of the steroid because an illness, of course he immediately will look bad : hes off his f medicine!!!!!!!! Its not a relevant comparison. Vitor Belfort had juiced for 10 years if not 15...of course hes performance would drop of. So the cheating bastard dos anjos is probably only going to be even better. Ever went to the gym with someone who juiced? They still beat your ass even when they come off. They take a few steps back, sure, but their still better than you, its a reason why they call it cheating.

You don't seem to understand that Cerrone NEVER gets a decent length training camp

[bjpenn85]

You don't seem to understand that Cerrone NEVER gets a decent length training camp

But, isnt it also positive to fight often, like he has said in several interviews; He prefers to fight often. Perhaps of financial reasons but also to stay in fight mode. We all know at this point that ring rust is real , to fight often probably make you anti ring rusted. I know he has fought extremely much so theres also down side with fighting THIS often.

The key to understand this fight is not cerrones training camp. Its the way both fighters have fought lately that matters, a fact you CLEARLY dont understand.

[JIBBBY]

I dont understand the argument about the layoff in favour of cerrone, Dos anjos havent fought since march, he probably had long time to prepare for the fight as well. Even if juicing he appears to be in great shape also last year, dec 2014. I think his cardio is legit. People talk about the last fight against cerrone, but that was the old dos anjos without cardio. Dos anjos cardio didnt improve over night. It did happen progressively through the last fights. The steroid probably if nothing gives Dos Anjos an unfair advantage. Its later he will get burnt for it. A norwegian study proved that muscle cells indeed have memory, so the individual who juices have advantage even 2-3 years later. Faster, better cardio etc. Antonio Silva is dependant of the steroid because an illness, of course he immediately will look bad : hes off his f medicine!!!!!!!! Its not a relevant comparison. Vitor Belfort had juiced for 10 years if not 15...of course hes performance would drop of. So the cheating bastard dos anjos is probably only going to be even better. Ever went to the gym with someone who juiced? They still beat your ass even when they come off. They take a few steps back, sure, but their still better than you, its a reason why they call it cheating.

I've taken steroids, and yes you do retain some of the strength gains even after you come off the juice..

Example in my case, in my mid 20's I was working out very hard for years, eating right, could not military press 185 on free weights.. Only 155 for the life of me.. I'm tall guy.. So I take the 6 week cycle and worked out the same as I always did, ate the same and sure enough I was military pressing 185 at the end of the cycle and doing reps..

A year later and off the juice I could still press the 185. Became naturally stronger off the steroids.. I did a mild steroid cycle 20 years later and just last summer.. Same thing happened.. Became stronger and recovered quickly, got ripped and could work out hard daily and not be as sore the next day... Small improvement gains in strength which I still have today..

These are the facts and they are undisputed.. I'll probably do a cycle every other year now as I don't have a problem with it and experience no ill effects.. Just positive gains..

[bjpenn85]

I've taken steroids, and yes you do retain some of the strength gains even after you come off the juice..

Example in my case, in my mid 20's I was working out very hard for years, eating right, could not military press 185 on free weights.. Only 155 for the life of me.. I'm tall guy.. So I take the 6 week cycle and worked out the same as I always did, ate the same and sure enough I was military pressing 185 at the end of the cycle and doing reps..



A year later and off the juice I could still press the 185. Became naturally stronger off the steroids.. I did a mild steroid cycle 20 years later and just last summer.. Same thing happened.. Became stronger and recovered quickly, got ripped and could work out hard daily and not be as sore the next day... Small improvement gains in strength which I still have today..

These are the facts and they are undisputed.. I'll probably do a cycle every other year now as I don't have a problem with it and experience no ill effects.. Just positive gains..

Thanks for sharing!! Did you train cardio? If yes, did you notice any significantly improvement or reduction in output afterwards?

I think that if youre a heavy user then you def alter the bodys natural production and regulation of testosterone. The use of testosterone youre taking is probably not unhealthy comparing to alcohol abuse, smoking, unhealthy eating, living an unhealthy lifestyle which normal people are doing eveeerryyyyyy day and then saying, drugs are bad. People are clueless.

Im not sure if we will see the immediate effect of this unless dos anjos has been on peds for a long time. If he started with peds only just now, which people are claiming then the bad effects that will make he underperform may not be apparent just yet, me thinks.

[JIBBBY]

Thanks for sharing!! Did you train cardio? If yes, did you notice any significantly improvement or reduction in output afterwards?

I think that if youre a heavy user then you def alter the bodys natural production and regulation of testosterone. The use of testosterone youre taking is probably not unhealthy comparing to alcohol abuse, smoking, unhealthy eating, living an unhealthy lifestyle which normal people are doing eveeerryyyyyy day and then saying, drugs are bad. People are clueless.

Im not sure if we will see the immediate effect of this unless dos anjos has been on peds for a long time. If he started with peds only just now, which people are claiming then the bad effects that will make he underperform may not be apparent just yet, me thinks.

I've always done cardio combined with heavy weight lifting on both cycles, but to answer your question I experienced no noticeable cardio gains, just strength gains mostly.. Depends on what type of steroid you use though.. I'm not a heavy steroid user, I don't stack roids and never did or will.. I took 2 cycles in my entire life time to date.. I enjoyed the strength gains, recovery time and most of all the energy it gave me while on the cycles.. I could lift for hours on the juice or even 2 times a day, recover quickly and off the juice I simply could not do that.. So cardio in a sense did increase in that way if you wanna call that cardio or just energy gains.. If I were doing sprints though I don't think I could run much faster and or not get as winded as easily on or off the juice..

I took Anavar this last summer and that isn't nearly as potent of a steroid like Dbol was from my experience.. Anavar was a safe oral steriod so I tried it.. Good for losing fat and getting ripped.. Mild strength gains, good energy and quick recovery gains though.

If I wanted to become a house again I would probably take Test shots and combine that with Dbol.. Don't wanna do that....

[PaperTrail07]

LMFAO....you see Diaz.....guy is a total clown....wish MJ whopped his whole crew's ass in the hotel lobby lol

[PaperTrail07]

it will be 30-27 MJ with Diaz thinking he is winning.....

[bjpenn85]

it will be 30-27 MJ with Diaz thinking he is winning.....

You talked about samman being a good bet earlier. Ive looked into the matchup now, i wanne bet samman as well i just cant get a good read. I feel samman swinging to wildly and often end up on his back to often. What are youre thoughts on this? I also give the power and precision advantage to mcrory on the feet. In the first round i think its a decent chance for an early finish also. I see a lot of decent bettors that wagering in on samman, what am i missing?

[PaperTrail07]

I honestly feel Samman should be -270ish......He is more skilled in EVERY ASPECT of fighting...I think his cardio will be better as well....looked great in his last fight and is fighting a guy that MAY have UFC jitters as they finally gave him the call again....I feel overall Samman is underrated and McCrory slight over rated w "big wins" over ward ect......I am a fan of the barn cat---just dont see him winning here...the overall level of competition they have faced is way different as well...Samman's been fighting much higher level fighters...

You talked about samman being a good bet earlier. Ive looked into the matchup now, i wanne bet samman as well i just cant get a good read. I feel samman swinging to wildly and often end up on his back to often. What are youre thoughts on this? I also give the power and precision advantage to mcrory on the feet. In the first round i think its a decent chance for an early finish also. I see a lot of decent bettors that wagering in on samman, what am i missing?

[bjpenn85]

I honestly feel Samman should be -270ish......He is more skilled in EVERY ASPECT of fighting...I think his cardio will be better as well....looked great in his last fight and is fighting a guy that MAY have UFC jitters as they finally gave him the call again....I feel overall Samman is underrated and McCrory slight over rated w "big wins" over ward ect......I am a fan of the barn cat---just dont see him winning here...the overall level of competition they have faced is way different as well...Samman's been fighting much higher level fighters...

Well, hes defence standing doesnt appear so, hes swinging wildly and comes lunging in jose aldo style, without setting up punches. Huge risk. It doesnt really matter how good hes ground game or his cardio is if he gets knocked out in the first round. I can see an early KO for mcrory but easily a finish from samman as well. But, how good is mcrory really? How good is his wrest and BJJ? How can you scream from the top of your longs hes better in every aspect of mma, when you only have seen 2 fights after the layoff, and he has won in 1 minute 20 sec. How do you evaluate EVERY ASPECT OF MMA in 1 min and 26 sec?

[KingHawkins]

Sheymon Moraes as a short favorite tonight for me.

[TPowell]

You can't effing tell me Nate Diaz isn't a functioning retard. Probably the stupidest person I've ever heard talk.

[bjpenn85]

You can't effing tell me Nate Diaz isn't a functioning retard. Probably the stupidest person I've ever heard talk.

When was the last time you were world class at something? He one of the best fighters in the world and is still a retard, while youre here talking smack on a forum with a college degree. Pretty ironic.

[UncleChael]

I want to be a Cowboy.. Baby..

[bjpenn85]

Cerrone loss to - Pettis, Bendo, and Diaz
Dos Anjos won over - Pettis Bendo and Diaz

.....yeah....thats right....

[UncleChael]

Diaz going punk this fool, again, this saturday!

[UncleChael]

Cerrone loss to - Pettis, Bendo, and Diaz
Dos Anjos won over - Pettis Bendo and Diaz

.....yeah....thats right....

We're rich!

[bjpenn85]

Do bronx complains of the weight scale while 6 fighters after him make weight...just by statistic you should bet on myles now