1. 08-07-14 09:39 PM #1
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    WSOF 12: Palomino vs. Gonzalez (August 09, 2014)




    NBC Sports Network, 10 p.m. ET
    Luis Palomino vs. Lewis Gonzalez
    Cully Butterfield vs. Ronny Markes
    Elvis Mutapcic vs. Kelvin Tiller
    Brandon Hempleman vs. Alexis Vila
    Bryson Hansen vs. Matt Sayles

    NBC Sports.com, 8 p.m. ET
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    Danny Davis vs. Jorge Lopez
    Adam Acquaviva vs. Cody Maltais
    Soslan Abanokov vs. Bryson Gutches

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  2. 08-07-14 09:59 PM #2
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    Anyone know anything about Tiller? I don't remember watching him in Bellator. He's getting a lot of respect only being +160 against a fighter of Mutapcic's caliber. Taylor took him down over and over but I don't see anything about Tiller having wrestling experience.
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  3. 08-07-14 11:35 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumdeal View Post
    Anyone know anything about Tiller? I don't remember watching him in Bellator. He's getting a lot of respect only being +160 against a fighter of Mutapcic's caliber. Taylor took him down over and over but I don't see anything about Tiller having wrestling experience.
    He comes from a wrestling centric camp. Elvis' weakness has always been take down defense. That being said, I would be surprised if Mutopcic loses. My plays are 4 units Mutopcic, 1.5 units Hempleman, Hempleman O 2.5, 4.5 units Hansen, 10 units Markes, 1 unit Gonzales. GL All!
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  4. 08-08-14 12:02 AM #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron_Paul_2012 View Post
    He comes from a wrestling centric camp. Elvis' weakness has always been take down defense. That being said, I would be surprised if Mutopcic loses. My plays are 4 units Mutopcic, 1.5 units Hempleman, Hempleman O 2.5, 4.5 units Hansen, 10 units Markes, 1 unit Gonzales. GL All!
    I was going to chastise you for paying that price on a flake like Markes, but there's no way I can avoid fading a guy named Cully Butterfield. It has to be done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    I was going to chastise you for paying that price on a flake like Markes, but there's no way I can avoid fading a guy named Cully Butterfield. It has to be done.
    I've been watching some tape on him, his approach to strategic kicking is worth noting, I think he may win here.
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  6. 08-08-14 12:35 AM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacrelicious View Post
    I've been watching some tape on him, his approach to strategic kicking is worth noting, I think he may win here.
    I can't help but feel that this new meme is aimed at me.
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  7. 08-08-14 12:43 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    I can't help but feel that this new meme is aimed at me.
    No I'm dead serious here, I'm not trying to aim anything at anyone, I'm simply stating a fact: kicking strategy is a completely undervalued analysis tool. In fact, it even took me a moment after reading your post to clue in to what you were referring to.
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  8. 08-08-14 02:09 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by MD View Post
    I was going to chastise you for paying that price on a flake like Markes, but there's no way I can avoid fading a guy named Cully Butterfield. It has to be done.
    Markes owes Ron a lot of money. In other words, he's due.
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  9. 08-08-14 11:42 PM #9
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    Haven't cracked this puzzle yet or really even looked at it. Chilling at home tonight and thought to give it a shot.. WSOF isn't my gig as i don't cover it.. UFC and Bellator are my gigs for coverage...

    Gonna take a stab at this main event anyways - Started on youtube with this WSOF main event and found this little gem..

    10 minutes of Luis Palomino +120 explaining why he will win this fight.. Thought to share as this sound clip might be worth checking if you have action. His opponent Lewis Gonzales 9-0 might still be a little raw, he is a wrestler and grinder though and could put and keep Palomino on his back.. This is only a 3 round fight...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoldIoTF_Y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIADutpu1zY
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  10. 08-09-14 12:23 AM #10
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    Lewis Gonzales - He did take out an aged Antonio McGee but was dominated a bit in that first round.. A closer look at this guy and that fight...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOoldIoTF_Y

    http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Lewis-Gonzalez-84278


    Conclusion - probably Luis Palomino is the call at +120 to win based on his experience and punching power...

    The under 2 1/2 rounds at +140 even looks better to me as I think someone will get dropped or sub'd out before that mark.....
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    This is a full card preview.. Just about the only decent one I could find out there circulating...

    http://www.mmamania.com/2014/8/6/597...o-gonzalez-mma
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    My plays after looking into all the main card fights.. Conservative plays below for me with this card.. The only dog play I could pull the trigger on is with Palomino...

    Palomino +135 (1 unit) Betus.com
    Under 2 1/2 rounds +140 (1.5 units) Bovada.com

    Parlay 2 team - Hempleman -115/Hanson -220 (1 unit) to win (1.6 units) 5 Dimes

    Parlay 2 team - Markes -640/Mutapcic -225 (2 units) to win (1.2 units) 5 Dimes
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  13. 08-09-14 01:13 PM #13
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    Im on Gonzalez. can't say I'm terribly familiar with Gonzalez but if you get beat by efrain escudero, that's a huge black mark against you. I'm a bit put off by the fact Gonzalez hasn't fought in close to a year tho..
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  14. 08-09-14 02:47 PM #14
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    I wish the prelims were up on the board ...

    This event is expected to have very low ratings from what I've been reading... I hope WSOF doesn't get too effected or bank rolled as a result of this.. It's their own fault though for not carrying atleast one big name on the card.. NBC can't be too thrilled about this anyways..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercersux View Post
    Im on Gonzalez. can't say I'm terribly familiar with Gonzalez but if you get beat by efrain escudero, that's a huge black mark against you. I'm a bit put off by the fact Gonzalez hasn't fought in close to a year tho..
    I can't blame people for taking Gonzalez in this one as he is surely the better wrestler on paper and should maintain top control if and when the fight does go to the ground.. Smart money is betting on the fighters with the wrestling advantage going in.. Perhaps a cardio advantage favors Gonzalez as well....

    Still, I just think Gonzales is a bit raw and unproven, one trick pony so to speak. I don't think his chin has been tested yet and I'm banking on Palomino tapping it at some point in this fight.. Palomino should be well rounded enough to have that opportunity to land at some point as his stand up is much better.. Maybe even threaten with a sub if all else fails...

    Antonio McGee should have put Gonzalez away in that first round after rocking him and dominating him on the ground. He was lucky to survive his last fight and come out with a win..
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  16. 08-09-14 03:39 PM #16
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    1 unit degen play Hempleman
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  17. 08-09-14 03:48 PM #17
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    17 unit play on Lewis.

    4 unit flier bet on Butterfield.
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  18. 08-09-14 06:18 PM #18
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    Prelims starting, no action no interest.. Gonna go watch MLB instead which is almost just as boring even with action...
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  19. 08-09-14 06:39 PM #19
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    1.25U on Vila
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    http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/8/9/...-stream-online
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    Here we go! Added 4 more units on Hempleman & Hansen! Added 3 more units on Mutapcic!
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    Yep Ronny here we go!!! Love to run the table tonight with my bets...
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    How do you score that? Take down at the end may have sealed it for Hanson...
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  24. 08-09-14 09:31 PM #24
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    Couldn't even tell those two guys apart. Both wearing black shorts.
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    Damn......... Close fight, 1st round could have been 10-8 too... Sales gets it... The 0 DIDN'T GO....
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    C'mon Hempleman!
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    Coin flip first round. Judges don't give 10-10s.
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    Who won 2nd round? Was watching Barnett.
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    Who won 3rd round? Was watching Barnett.
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    Who won the fight? Was watching Barnett.
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    Hempleman +120 cashes! Very close fight and a tough one to score. I think the judges gave it to Brandon based on aggression, volume and swagger. Guy has a ridiculous chin.
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    Close fight...damn

    EDIT: Actually no. I'm pretty annoyed by that one.
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    Hemp cashes.... I had one eye on Barnett and one eye on this fight.. Could have gone either way.....
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    Need Markes and Mutapcic to stay up on the night.. Come let's do this!!!
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    Mutapcic taking over.
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