[PunisherIND]

Date: Jul 07, 2012
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena
Broadcast: Pay-per-view and FX

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)

• Champ Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen (for middleweight title)
• Urijah Faber vs. Renan Barao (for interim bantamweight title)
• Forrest Griffin vs. Tito Ortiz
• Rich Franklin vs. Cung Le
• Dong Hyun Kim vs. Demian Maia

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX)

• Chad Mendes vs. Cody McKenzie
• Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Gleison Tibau
• Mike Easton vs. Ivan Menjivar
• Riki Fukuda vs. Constantinos Philippou
• Fabricio Camoes vs. Melvin Guillard
• John Alessio vs. Shane Roller
• Yoislandy Izquierdo vs. Rafaello Oliveira*

* - Not officially announced

[Grabaka]

All the dogs i like here. Specially Faber, Ortiz and Sonnen.

[MMAbetMASTA]

Cung Le is money at +300, that is just ridiculous..... Wish it was up on my book, fuckersss!!

[Beelzebubzy]

Le in rd 1 makes the most sense if you bet him

[Vitooch]

Like Le, maybe Tito, and Renan. Thinking his TDD and muay thai may be too overwhelming.

[Crassus]

Le's gonna kick some math-teacher ass in my opinion.

also loing DHK at only -140.

[The HOFF]

I grabbed Barao at -150. He dealt with Jorgensen with ease and I think Faber is at or below Jorgensen's level of wrestling. Faber is getting pretty old for the fight game. He had difficulty with Cruz's speed and I think he will have major problems here.

[The HOFF]

Cung Le is money at +300, that is just ridiculous..... Wish it was up on my book, fuckersss!!

Have to say I was very intrigued by this as well.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Le's gonna kick some math-teacher ass in my opinion.

The thing with Cung Le is that the blueprint is out on how to beat him. His only REAL offence comes from those kicks and there is a lot of tape out there on how to avoid them.

He needs the kicks in order to keep the distance he needs and they are very effective at doing that, but the problem is throwing like 10 focking spinning wheel kicks per round really eats up the gas tank. He was able to hold off Wandelei beautifully until he gassed and got kayoed. He slows down a lot towards the end of each round too, not just near the end of the fight.

He is 40+ now his cardio is only getting worse. I seriously doubt he revamped his entire game in he last few months. He got paid 400k for his last fight and I suspect thats the only reason he is fighting.

[Imsmarterthanu]

Damian Maia is a solid pick

Franklin over Cung Le

I like Faber as another dog

Fuk tito and Chael / Silva is a no play

I think silva takes this

[caveira]

Well, I will go hard in Sonnen this time, in Brazilian's forums i did see declarations of Anderson saying he has a knee injurie, but he will fight anyway. Looks like he is preparing excuses. I am thinking about bet hard in Sonnen and Anderson for KO of the night as a backup, since i believe Sonnen will be very well prepared for any submission attempt.

[Crassus]

The thing with Cung Le is that the blueprint is out on how to beat him. His only REAL offence comes from those kicks and there is a lot of tape out there on how to avoid them.

He needs the kicks in order to keep the distance he needs and they are very effective at doing that, but the problem is throwing like 10 focking spinning wheel kicks per round really eats up the gas tank. He was able to hold off Wandelei beautifully until he gassed and got kayoed. He slows down a lot towards the end of each round too, not just near the end of the fight.

He is 40+ now his cardio is only getting worse. I seriously doubt he revamped his entire game in he last few months. He got paid 400k for his last fight and I suspect thats the only reason he is fighting.

I don't know if theres a blueprint...his last two losses have been because he gasses, and against Wanderlei it was because of that long layoff inbetween fights. Cung's in a lot better shape now from what I've heard and I feel like he'll really want to go out on a win. I dunno, maybe it's my complete dislike for Rich Franklin clouding my judgement, maybe I should make this a no-play.

After seeing what Silva did to Okami, I'm not worried about Chael really.

[Wanna Bet On It?]

I don't know if theres a blueprint...his last two losses have been because he gasses, and against Wanderlei it was because of that long layoff inbetween fights. Cung's in a lot better shape now from what I've heard and I feel like he'll really want to go out on a win. I dunno, maybe it's my complete dislike for Rich Franklin clouding my judgement, maybe I should make this a no-play.

After seeing what Silva did to Okami, I'm not worried about Chael really.

Because Okami is even remotely similar to Chael in terms of offensive wrestling?

Chael is Anderson's kryptonite & Anderson is Chael's kryptonite. Just depends on who perfected their holes better in this style clash to shift the odds in their favour.

I will say that the odds for Sonnen have gotten more favourable since moving the fight to Vegas (no Brazilian standups, stress of death threats perceived or real) and Chael being approved for testosterone TUE. His BJJ training with Vinny Maghales is also encouraging. But who knows if Chael self-destructs again. That seems to be his character flaw.

[Crassus]

Because Okami is even remotely similar to Chael in terms of offensive wrestling?

Chael is Anderson's kryptonite & Anderson is Chael's kryptonite. Just depends on who perfected their holes better in this style clash to shift the odds in their favour.

I will say that the odds for Sonnen have gotten more favourable since moving the fight to Vegas (no Brazilian standups, stress of death threats perceived or real) and Chael being approved for testosterone TUE. His BJJ training with Vinny Maghales is also encouraging. But who knows if Chael self-destructs again. That seems to be his character flaw.

Okami might not be similar to Chael in wrestling but he is a beast of a wrestler and the way Anderson tooled him is encouraging. I'm not really sure you can say they're each others kryptonite off of one fight, Anderson's NEVER looked like that again and Sonnen looked like crap against Bisping ( a striker with good TDD/ability to stand back up), granted as I recall Bisping was supposed to be fighting somebody else so different gameplans but still...

[Wanna Bet On It?]

Anderson's weakness: TDD
Chael's weakness: Submission defence

I don't give a single f*ck about Okami or Bisping in capping this fight. Okami doesn't have Chael's shot. Anderson doesn't have Bisping's base. Period.

Between their first fight up until the rematch, no opponent of either fighter was able to exploit their weakness. Convincing yourself Anderson can stop Chael's TDs based on how he tooled Okami is just fooling yourself IMO.

[PunisherIND]

The thing with Cung Le is that the blueprint is out on how to beat him. His only REAL offence comes from those kicks and there is a lot of tape out there on how to avoid them.

He needs the kicks in order to keep the distance he needs and they are very effective at doing that, but the problem is throwing like 10 focking spinning wheel kicks per round really eats up the gas tank. He was able to hold off Wandelei beautifully until he gassed and got kayoed. He slows down a lot towards the end of each round too, not just near the end of the fight.

He is 40+ now his cardio is only getting worse. I seriously doubt he revamped his entire game in he last few months. He got paid 400k for his last fight and I suspect thats the only reason he is fighting.

I'm inclined to agree with crippler here. Although I wouldn't play franklin at current odds.

I do like the ITD prop. Played it at -190, would still play it at the current -210.

[PunisherIND]

Well, I will go hard in Sonnen this time, in Brazilian's forums i did see declarations of Anderson saying he has a knee injurie, but he will fight anyway. Looks like he is preparing excuses. I am thinking about bet hard in Sonnen and Anderson for KO of the night as a backup, since i believe Sonnen will be very well prepared for any submission attempt.

Andy ITD -135 / sonnen dec +475

[Crassus]

Anderson's weakness: TDD
Chael's weakness: Submission defence

I don't give a single f*ck about Okami or Bisping in capping this fight. Okami doesn't have Chael's shot. Anderson doesn't have Bisping's base. Period.

Between their first fight up until the rematch, no opponent of either fighter was able to exploit their weakness. Convincing yourself Anderson can stop Chael's TDs based on how he tooled Okami is just fooling yourself IMO.

I really can't agree with not looking at their previous fights. Anderson's looked unstoppable since the Chael fight and Chael has been entirely decent. He beat Stann which isn't saying too much, and he barely beat Michael Bisping. In fairness, Okami didn't really go for too many takedowns (as I recall) and seemed content to let Anderson wail on him in the stand-up. I'm not saying Anderson is going to shrug of Cheal's TD's like they were nothing and TKO him with two punches. I'm just saying Chael hasn't really impressed me his last two fights getting Anderson Silva at -240 is pretty awesome in my book.

[NunyaBidness]

Rumors of a Silva knee injury.

[Thor4140]

i can't take anyone here seriously who doesn't know Cung Lee is about as overrated as they come. I think the oddsmakers know it to.

[v1y]

are you suggesting cung le is being overrated at +300?

[Vaughany]

ha yeah, could understand tht statement if Cung was at Evens or something but at +300 against an aging Franklin hmmm

[MMAbetMASTA]

ha yeah, could understand tht statement if Cung was at Evens or something but at +300 against an aging Franklin hmmm

exactly man...

I can't take anyone seriously here who doesn't realize betting mma is about VALUE, not who is gonna win on paper. Rich is the rightful favorite, but man, I wouldn't put him too high above -170, lol at that line... Get a piece of cung, its totally worth a small sprinkle and in a 3 rnd fight and taking in rich's performances of late, that is ridiculous value.

[NunyaBidness]

exactly man...

I can't take anyone seriously here who doesn't realize betting mma is about VALUE, not who is gonna win on paper.

Get out of here with that shit. This forum is about picking WINNERZ!

[MMAbetMASTA]

Get out of here with that shit. This forum is about picking WINNERZ!

haha...I'm sure you all had varner as the winnerz last week, right? VALUE...

[Crassus]

Get out of here with that shit. This forum is about picking WINNERZ!

fading the fool who thinks odds are important in gambling

[Thor4140]

Cung Lee is a fuking stiff at any money. Wvandy is on his last legs and i still bet him over Lee. Franklin will smash him plain and simple and the oddsmakers know it.

[MMAbetMASTA]

fading the fool who thinks odds are important in gambling

If I didn't play odds and take them into serious reasoning when I bet then I wouldn't be winning money consistently in this sport. If bet fights strictly on 'who wins' on paper per se, then I would be down a shit load, as would a lot of other people...

[MMAbetMASTA]

Cung Lee is a fuking stiff at any money. Wvandy is on his last legs and i still bet him over Lee. Franklin will smash him plain and simple and the oddsmakers know it.

so are you putting your money where your mouth is and playing rich at those ridiculous odds, considering cung is such an 'auto fade' to you??? lol...

[Vaughany]

All about winnerz son!

[Thor4140]

are you suggesting cung le is being overrated at +300?

i bet fights on who i think will win not on what the odds are. IF the odds were even i think FRanklin will smash him. If Franklin was ten to 1 odds i still think Franklin will smash him. Cung will have his moments and that is about it. Who has he beat? Nothing but washed up guys and for fuks sake he got beat by a two washed up guys in Smith and Wvandy. I love Wvandy but got to face facts and that is he is a shot fighter, and Smith. Oh brother.

[Vaughany]

so are you putting your money where your mouth is and playing rich at those ridiculous odds, considering cung is such an 'auto fade' to you??? lol...

ha yeah it's the classic sherdog attitude..."Rich is gonna walk through the chubby chink"...then when u ask them how much they are betting on Franklin they suddenly disappear and u receive no response!

[MMAbetMASTA]

ha yeah it's the classic sherdog attitude..."Rich is gonna walk through the chubby chink"...then when u ask them how much they are betting on Franklin they suddenly disappear and u receive no response!

lots of big talkers here...

[Thor4140]

ha yeah it's the classic sherdog attitude..."Rich is gonna walk through the chubby chink"...then when u ask them how much they are betting on Franklin they suddenly disappear and u receive no response!

Well i can do like u and bet both sides of the fight and have a winner every fight (as well as a loser). U are not even worth the time reading with ur hedging and all that other crap u post.

[Thor4140]

ha yeah it's the classic sherdog attitude..."Rich is gonna walk through the chubby chink"...then when u ask them how much they are betting on Franklin they suddenly disappear and u receive no response!

If i can find how much i bet on Silva and that glass jaw of his when he fought Lee, i will dig it up for you.