[downsouth]

So the guy who constantly runs around hammering stiffs and slow pays clearly offers a bet here and then clearly loses. He then decides he is going to stiff me because he made a stupid offer shooting off his mouth.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-terms-p2.html


Specifically, please see post #43 where he offers

Tat already lost a 100k challenge. He couldn't sniff 10k, let alone 100k. I'll bet your 72k I reach 100k before him, neither of us can solicit any loans to get there.

And then post #51 where I simultaneously accept and win wager.

Bet Accepted. The points I sent to Tat are a gift. They are NOT A LOAN and no payback is expected. I purposely waited to accept in order for you to not be able to edit your above post offering the wager which clearly lists a race between you and Tat to 100k and no ability to solicit loans. Bet was offered, accepted and you not having 100k have clearly lost. Please ship me my 72k points at your earliest convenience because we all know waves is no stiff, right?

He wager offer clearly states he bets he will reach 100k before Tat and his only stipulation is that no loans be solicited by himself or Tat. I gifted(which is certainly not a loan nor was it solicited) Tat 100k points because its funny to beat Bobby when he is shooting off his mouth.


Am I wrong here, If you are a judge and have to decide what do you decide?

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Jesus christ. Two grown ass men

[rkelly110]

You circumvented the rules by giving him 100k. No bet.

[mpaschal34]

My vote is that Waves lost fair and square. He only said no loans. DS followed the rules and therefore Waves loses those precious 72K points. Guess he'll have to wait another 4 years before he reaches 100K.

Good job DS!!

[sinmiedo]

My vote is that Waves lost fair and square. He only said no loans. DS followed the rules and therefore Waves loses those precious 72K points. Guess he'll have to wait another 4 years before he reaches 100K.

Good job DS!!

agreed

[downsouth]

You circumvented the rules by giving him 100k. No bet.

What rule said I could not gift the points.

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Seriously DS, why continue this? You're not getting the points anyway. Move on

[BigOrange]

Is this the biggest stiff job ever at SBR?

[playersonly69]

bobbywaves is a stiff!

[downsouth]

Seriously DS, why continue this? You're not getting the points anyway. Move on

Obviously Im not getting the points. But technically I won them. So I am being stiffed. No logical reasons says I didnt.

And Bobby often offers up large bets. So basically its a if he wins, he wins, if he does not his discretion it what determines whether its paid?

I'm not getting paid, yes, you are correct. But even you can see I actually won.

Its like if someone offered him a poker bet and decided at end not to pay him because he played more tournaments and always got the better time slots. If there is nothing in the rules that says how many and when tournaments are played then they have nothing to stand on.

[Slanina]

Loophole usage

AKA

The American Business way!


I'll defend whoever ships me 27 points first.

[brainfreeze]

Loophole usage

AKA

The American Business way!


I'll defend whoever ships me 27 points first.

oh my...

[Optional]

Seriously DS, why continue this? You're not getting the points anyway. Move on

Have you not read the poker sub forum for the last 2 or 3 years?

There is a constant competition to see if Bobby Waves or the opposition can call out the other party for some thing or another.

Being reasonable, or moving on, does not come into it. Not part of the game rules!




(@Combatants. Please dont turn this one into the next Bobby/Donk point scoring argument in every single thread at least. Hopefully everyone notices and appreciates how much better and more active the Poker sub forum is since they decided to stop doing that in every thread)

[brainfreeze]

My opinion would be a fair one.. It's just not a honest challenge to me, that's trickery.. Though loan and gift has two totally different meanings, Bob should feel pretty ignorant there, you should've specified Bob, no loans or gifts.. You can't just say, oh I meant no gifts to " its self explanatory " because in contract it's spelled out, you didn't spell that out...I understand what you were trying to do and the pretenses, you have to spell it out though. After all that, I still side your not a stiff because it was a trickery clause, if DS wants your points that bad I'm sure he's crafty enough to come up with a challenge your will willingly accept..

[mpaschal34]

I lost a similar bet in life once for $100 with a friend. He got me in a loop hole. I said good job and gave him the money. He got me.

Time for bobby to do the same!

[USCPHILLYGUY]

I lost a similar bet in life once for $100 with a friend. He got me in a loop hole. I said good job and gave him the money. He got me.

Time for bobby to do the same!

Matty details or BS

[BeerDog99]

It is not trickery, there was no loan and there was not soliciting of loans. Case closed, Bobby should pay up and realize that it was a 72k lesson learned.

[brainfreeze]

I lost a similar bet in life once for $100 with a friend. He got me in a loop hole. I said good job and gave him the money. He got me.

Time for bobby to do the same!

First off, prob wasn't that good of a friend if he got you with a " loop hole " challenge. If somebody beats me it's going to be straight up, and we will both be in complete agreement of what the challenge is about. I don't know why DS is taking a cheap shot here, I think he's smarter then this... Just my thoughts, I'm not the judge and my words on the matter mean jack, just an opinion..

[rkelly110]

What rule said I could not gift the points.

The 100k points are to be won playing poker, not by someone giving him the points.

Why would you give someone 100k points to receive 72k just to win a bet? We all know once you emptied Bobby's
account, Tat would give you your points back. Isn't that a little deceiving?

[bobbywaves]

If DS would have requested that we both post up 72k with a mutually agreed upon 3rd party, I would have agreed to that. Then the 3rd party would be deciding the outcome now, instead of DS leaving his angle shooting actions up to my sole discretion.

So this begs the question why didn't DS request post up to ensure he gets paid, considering the magnitude of a 72k bet? The answer is simple, DS couldn't circumvent our bet if his 72k was tied up in post up. As it is DS had to solicit 13k from dngf to reach the 100k gift, documented in his pts history.

Since DS claims the 100k he sent is a "gift," then it stands to reason we shouldn't see Tat paying any of it back to DS in the future. Not sure how DS is going to pay back the 13k to dngf now.

[bobbywaves]

Is this the biggest stiff job ever at SBR?

No...Since not paying someone who circumvented a bet, clearly isn't a stiff job. If I was a stiff, you would have examples of this in my 8 year history.

Could be wrong, but to my knowledge this is the biggest stiff job in SBR history: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-big-loan.html

[downsouth]

No...Since not paying someone who circumvented a bet, clearly isn't a stiff job. If I was a stiff, you would have examples of this in my 8 year history.

Could be wrong, but to my knowledge this is the biggest stiff job in SBR history: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-big-loan.html

Clearly is a stiff job. While maybe a loophole it is none the less 100% valid. Hands down biggest stiff job in SBR history and hopefully it will at least make you think twice before opening your trap offering large wagers you have no interest on paying out if you lose.

[Fidel_CashFlow]

wow I feel horrible for you downsouth

1 point towards bobby's debt


1/72,000

[downsouth]

The 100k points are to be won playing poker, not by someone giving him the points.

Why would you give someone 100k points to receive 72k just to win a bet? We all know once you emptied Bobby's
account, Tat would give you your points back. Isn't that a little deceiving?

The wager said nothing about first to 100k points playing poker. Bobby stated first to 100k between him and Tat. I believe at the time of the offer Bobby already had approximately 93k points versus Tattdy who had maybe 5k.

Bobby pays out the points and Tat will not give me back the points. 100% guaranteed. If Tat gives me the points back I will send Bobby his points back.

Why lose 30k points, its funny. Bobby loves to shoot off at the mouth offering large wagers where he is starting a race to 100k with an over 85k point lead. 30k points is small price to pay to bury him once and for all.

Now of course he will Stiff, guy is and always has been a slimy deadbeat. Loophole or not nobody can rule against our wager being 100% valid with the rules stated. Maybe not the nicest thing or straight laced thing to do but 100% valid. Call me a dick, call me an ass, but in the same breath you also have to call me the winner. So besides saying loophole (which still means its valid) someone give me a reason the bet is not good.

Tell you what, if Bobby pays me the bet he lost I will not only lose 30k points in the transaction, I will donate another 30k to the angel man foundation for BigDays charity.

[downsouth]

If DS would have requested that we both post up 72k with a mutually agreed upon 3rd party, I would have agreed to that. Then the 3rd party would be deciding the outcome now, instead of DS leaving his angle shooting actions up to my sole discretion.

So this begs the question why didn't DS request post up to ensure he gets paid, considering the magnitude of a 72k bet? The answer is simple, DS couldn't circumvent our bet if his 72k was tied up in post up. As it is DS had to solicit 13k from dngf to reach the 100k gift, documented in his pts history.

Since DS claims the 100k he sent is a "gift," then it stands to reason we shouldn't see Tat paying any of it back to DS in the future. Not sure how DS is going to pay back the 13k to dngf now.

It should be decided by third parties now anyway. Thats the way wagering works. Post up is for the untrustworthy. If you were willing to post up why not let a 3 party jury comprised of Optional, Yisman, and TryTryTry decide whether the bet is a winner. Heck, I will even let you put USC Philly guy on there if you want.

You wont do it because you know you lost, which makes you a STIFF and officially the biggest point stiff in SBR history.

[downsouth]

Have you not read the poker sub forum for the last 2 or 3 years?

There is a constant competition to see if Bobby Waves or the opposition can call out the other party for some thing or another.

Being reasonable, or moving on, does not come into it. Not part of the game rules!




(@Combatants. Please dont turn this one into the next Bobby/Donk point scoring argument in every single thread at least. Hopefully everyone notices and appreciates how much better and more active the Poker sub forum is since they decided to stop doing that in every thread)

I will attempt to contain it to this thread.

If this case is brought to your desk, what is your recommendation?

[bobbywaves]

Clearly is a stiff job. While maybe a loophole it is none the less 100% valid. Hands down biggest stiff job in SBR history and hopefully it will at least make you think twice before opening your trap offering large wagers you have no interest on paying out if you lose.

Hopefully this will make you think twice to request post up, so a 3rd party can tell you you're an angle shooting douchebag.

Problem is after your dngf loan & gift to Tat, you didn't have the 72k to post up to secure your bet. You should have borrowed 85k instead of 13k, to afford the post up. This way you would have a 0.4% chance of the 3rd party paying you, instead of a 0% chance with me. Hopefully a lesson learned for you.

[downsouth]

Hopefully this will make you think twice to request post up, so a 3rd party can tell you you're an angle shooting douchebag.

Problem is after your dngf loan & gift to Tat, you didn't have the 72k to post up to secure your bet. You should have borrowed 85k instead of 13k, to afford the post up. This way you would have a 0.4% chance of the 3rd party paying you, instead of a 0% chance with me. Hopefully a lesson learned for you.

Not a lesson learned, but rather a point proven. Your a hot air windbag Stiff. You lost, loophole or not, you lost. The fact you will not let unbiased third parties decide is all the proof anyone needs.

As far as not having the points to secure being why I didn't post up thats not true. Ill make you another bet if you like that I can have 72k points within 2 days and none of them will come from Tat to me. However, since you are now officially on stiff list I will have to request that you post up.

[mpaschal34]

Can we get a 72,000 stiff badge for Bobby?????

As for DS....he just needs a badge that says....WINNER!!!

[bobbywaves]

Not a lesson learned, but rather a point proven. Your a hot air windbag Stiff. You lost, loophole or not, you lost. The fact you will not let unbiased third parties decide is all the proof anyone needs.

As far as not having the points to secure being why I didn't post up thats not true. Ill make you another bet if you like that I can have 72k points within 2 days and none of them will come from Tat to me. However, since you are now officially on stiff list I will have to request that you post up.

After your gift, fact is you didn't have the 72k to offer a post up wager & secure our bet. If you're trying to say you could have received the 72k via loan from Try or Yis, then obviously you should have done that to have a 0.4% greater chance in getting paid.

When Tat returns your 100k, it's all the proof anyone needs that it wasn't a gift as you ignorantly claim.

[bobbywaves]

Can we get a 72,000 stiff badge for Bobby?????

As for DS....he just needs a badge that says....WINNER!!!

Coming from a guy who can't even earn a poker badge.

Are you on the World Cup board yet? Apparently not: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

[downsouth]

After your gift, fact is you didn't have the 72k to offer a post up wager & secure our bet. If you're trying to say you could have received the 72k via loan from Try or Yis, then obviously you should have done that to have a 0.4% greater chance in getting paid.

When Tat returns your 100k, it's all the proof anyone needs that it wasn't a gift as you ignorantly claim.

Proof of nothing. As I stated, pay your losing wager and I guarantee Tat doesnt send back his gift. Now if he sends back because I got stiffed then thats a completely different story.

[mpaschal34]

Coming from a guy who can't even earn a poker badge.

Are you on the World Cup board yet? Apparently not: http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...-a.html?slf=36

At least I can say I'm not a 72,000 stiff!!!!!!

While you are sitting around this week, waiting to see which tournament has the least amount of people so you can jump in it, I'll be sitting on the beach in Mexico drinking some cold ones. Yep, your World Cup chase in your basement definitely beats my life.

[bobbywaves]

Proof of nothing. As I stated, pay your losing wager and I guarantee Tat doesnt send back his gift. Now if he sends back because I got stiffed then thats a completely different story.

Why would Tat's gift come with a string attached, Tat only receives gift if you get paid?

I have no problem paying if Tat earned his 100k before me, in the true spirit of the bet. Unfortunately bets aren't paid out to cheaters such as yourself, any book can attest to that. Since you were too broke after gift to post up with a 3rd party allowing them to decide, I'm left to decide if you cheated to get Tat to 100k before me.

My verdict, you're guilty as charged.

[bobbywaves]

I'll be sitting on the beach in Mexico drinking some cold ones. Yep, your World Cup chase in your basement definitely beats my life.

Yep, have you crushed...wouldn't go to Mexico if you paid me.