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    empty cookie jar's public trends

    Just a quick explanation of what I am trying to do here:

    The idea is to identify which spots it is profitable to either fade or tail the public. This worked well for me at the start of the season, but due to shoddy record keeping on my part, once the trends I was playing broke down on me, I didn't know where to go. After taking some time off to decide how to move forward, I am up and running again. Let me go ahead and answer some questions that I anticipate will come.

    1) Public numbers. When I refer to the public, I am referring to posters at gambling forums and not percentages provided by a line service. 2 hours prior to the first pitch, I track posters from several different forums and tally up their plays, so my numbers will most likely vary a great deal than SI or a similar site.

    2) My intention is to share information and not picks. I will post the stats that I use; what you decide to do with the information is up to you.

    3) Line moves. For the most part, the lines I show will be accurate, but due to the fact that I start my process 2 hours prior to the first pitch, there will usually be a couple of line differentials. I ALWAYS use the line that was available when I start the process. This is for record keeping purposes. For instance, tonight when I started the tally, the Phillies were -201. By the time I finished, the line was -193. For record keeping purposes, I used -201.

    4) I will provide the day's tally anywhere from 15 to 45 minutes prior to the first pitch, depending on how long it takes. I will place my bets before posting the tally in this thread for obvious reasons. In the instance where there are day games (such as tomorrow and on weekends), there will be two separate tallies.

    5) Questions and comments are welcome, but please no bashing. It won't take much for me to grab my balls and go home. Like I said, the purpose of this is to share information and not provide picks. There are those who find this type of information useless -- check, I got it.

    Below is a snapshot of what I have tracked. I have everything broken down from public % on each line (i.e. 60% on home faves of -130 to -139), but will spare you those details (not enough there yet anyways). Feel free to ask questions, my intent is to be helpful. RF equals road favorites, and so on and so forth.

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    need to fix
    Last edited by empty cookie jar; 05-18-10 at 01:25 AM. Reason: records came out screwed up

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    Sides

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 4-5


    HF: 13-6

    RD: 2-5

    HD: 2-0

    Overall: 21-16


    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 2-2

    HF: 6-5

    RD: 0-9

    HD: 1-1

    Overall: 9-17

    Last edited by empty cookie jar; 05-18-10 at 10:13 PM.

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    Totals

    Qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 0-0

    80-89%: 0-0


    70-79%: 0-1

    60-69%: 0-1


    51-59%: 0-0

    Qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 1-0

    80-89%: 3-0

    70-79%: 1-0

    60-69%: 1-0

    51-59%: 0-0

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    Totals

    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 3-6

    80-89%: 0-0

    70-79%: 0-2

    60-69%: 3-1

    51-59%: 0-0


    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 5-4

    80-89%: 0-0

    70-79%: 2-0


    60-69%: 1-1


    51-59%: 0-0

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    we'll see how this goes

    1st pitch scheduled for 12:35 EST tomorrow, should have the 1st tally up no later than 12:20.....hopefully a little sooner

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    early tally

    Qualified sides:

    Toronto (HF, 69%)

    Detroit (HF, 75%)

    TB (HF, 77%)


    Unqualified sides:

    Fla. (HF, 88%)

    NO TOTALS QUALIFY

    Unqualified Overs:

    Milwaukee/Cincy O9 1/2 (75%)

    Az/Fla O8 (67%)


    Unqualified Unders:

    Mn/Toronto U8 (75%)

    Cle/TB U8 1/2 (75%)

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    Sounds like a reasonable approach, just hard to know whether you are following "good" posters or "bad" ones. There are a lot of shmucks who post plays day-in and day-out that lose and they float to different sites or recreate profiles.

    What do you mean by qualified/unqualified?

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    I lump all the posters together to try and keep as much emotion out of it as possible. I have been around the forums long enough to recognize some of the solid posters, but to keep from nit picking, everyone gets put into the same boat.

    Qualified and unqualified are simply the # of posters who are on that particular game. When I started this, I was only tracking games that had a certain amount of plays -- say a minimum of 20 posters -- but I noticed that some of the smaller played games seemed to be providing some trends of their own. Once the trends that were working started to break down on me, I took some time off and decided to track the plays that had a smaller amount of players on them as well.

    This I think will affect the totals more than the sides, as more players tend to play sides than totals, so therefore I expect to see many more unqualified totals plays than qualified.

    I also do my best from duplicating picks -- say X poster at this forum posts plays at 3 different places under 3 different names......a lot of these guys use the same handle wherever they go, but there are some who post under different names, but most of these guys use the same style. I would say I'm about 75% successful in identifying these posters simply because I spend a lot of time traveling the forum world.
    Last edited by empty cookie jar; 05-18-10 at 11:39 AM.

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    Sounds interesting. Be watching the stats compilation. Cheers

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    evening tally

    Qualified sides:

    Phillies (HF, 88%)

    Mets (RF, 71%)

    Cubs (HF, 64%)

    Cards (HF, 82%)

    Unqualified sides:

    SD (HF, 88%)

    Dodgers (HF, 71%)

    Yankees (HF, 63%)

    KC (RF, 100%)

    Angels (RD, 67%)

    Qualified Totals:

    At/NY U7 1/2 (80%)

    LA/TX U 8 1/2 (89%)

    Unqualified Totals:

    Pitt/Philly U8 1/2 (67%)

    SF/SD U6 (75%)

    Bos/NY O9 (100%)

    KC/Balt U7 1/2 (100%)
    Last edited by empty cookie jar; 05-18-10 at 05:44 PM.

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    updated records

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 4-5


    HF: 14-6

    RD: 2-5

    HD: 2-0

    Overall: 22-16


    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 2-2

    HF: 7-7

    RD: 0-10

    HD: 1-1

    Overall: 10-20

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    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 4-6

    80-89%: 0-0

    70-79%: 0-3

    60-69%: 3-1

    51-59%: 0-0


    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 6-4

    80-89%: 0-0

    70-79%: 3-2


    60-69%: 2-1


    51-59%: 0-0

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    Qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 0-0

    80-89%: 0-0


    70-79%: 0-1

    60-69%: 0-1


    51-59%: 0-0

    Qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 1-0

    80-89%: 4-1

    70-79%: 1-0

    60-69%: 1-0

    51-59%: 0-0

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    Interesting.

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    tonight's tally

    Qualifying sides:

    Phillies (HF, 88%)

    Reds (RD, 76%)

    Cards (HF, 64%)

    Rangers (HF, 80%)

    Angels (RD, 60%)


    Unqualifying sides:

    Washington (HF, 78%)

    Pitt (HD, 67%)

    Astros (HF, 57%)

    SF (RD, 86%)

    Cleveland (HF, 80%)

    Minnesota (RD, 67%)

    Detroit (RF, 56%)

    Seattle (HF, 83%)

    Qualifying Totals:

    Detroit/Oak U7 (80%)

    Non qualifying Totals:

    Cubs/Phils U9 1/2 (100%)

    SF/AZ U10 (100%)

    SD/LA O8 (100%)

    TB/NY O9 1/2 (75%)

    Mn/Bos O9 1/2 (100%)

    Baltimore/Tx U9 1/2 (100%)

    Angels/CHW U8 1/2 (67%)

    Tor/Sea O7 1/2 (100%)




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    updated records

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 4-5


    HF: 15-8

    RD: 3-6

    HD: 2-0

    Overall: 24-19


    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 3-2

    HF: 9-9

    RD: 0-12

    HD: 2-1

    Overall: 14-24

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    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 5-8

    70-79%: 1-3

    60-69%: 3-1

    51-59%: 0-0


    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 8-5

    70-79%: 3-2

    60-69%: 3-1


    51-59%: 0-0

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    Qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 0-0

    80-89%: 0-0


    70-79%: 0-1

    60-69%: 0-1


    51-59%: 0-0

    Qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 1-0

    80-89%: 5-1

    70-79%: 1-0

    60-69%: 1-0

    51-59%: 0-0

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    early tally

    Qualified Sides:

    Phils (HF, 70%)

    Toronto (RF, 63%)

    Unqualified sides:


    Cincy (RD, 75%)


    Cards (HF, 57%)

    Cleveland (HF,78%)

    Oakland (HF, 63%)


    Qualified Totals:


    Cincy/Atlanta U7 1/2 (75%)

    Unqualified Totals:


    Fla/St. Louis U7 1/2 (67%)

    KC/Cle O9 (100%)

    Det/Oak U8 1/2 (100%)

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    thursday night tally

    Qualified sides:

    SF (RF, 60%)

    Dodgers (HF, 63%)

    Yankees (HF, 80%)

    Unqualified sides:

    Houston (HD, 60%)

    Boston (HF, 75%)

    CHW (HF, 67%)

    Qualified Totals:

    Col/Hou U6 (100%)

    SF/Az U8 (100%)


    Unqualified Totals:

    SD/LA U7 (100%)

    TB/NY O9 (100%)


    Mn/Bos U8 (100%)

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    updated records

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 4-7


    HF: 17-9

    RD: 3-6

    HD: 2-0

    Overall: 26-22


    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 4-2

    HF:11-11

    RD: 0-13

    HD: 2-2

    Overall: 17-28

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    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 7-8

    70-79%: 1-3

    60-69%: 3-1

    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 10-5

    70-79%: 3-2

    60-69%: 4-1



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    Qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 0-0

    80-89%: 0-0


    70-79%: 0-1

    60-69%: 0-1


    51-59%: 0-0

    Qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 2-1

    80-89%: 5-1

    70-79%: 1-1

    60-69%: 1-0

    51-59%: 0-0

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    friday night's tally

    Qualified sides:

    Braves (RF, 73%)

    Cincy (RF, 91%)

    Philly (HF, 67%)

    Rays (RF, 95%)
    *****

    SF (RF, 62%)

    Unqualified sides:

    Washington (HF, 80%)

    Yankees (RF, 78%)

    Rangers (HF, 88%)


    Florida (RD, 100%)

    Colorado (RF, 64%)

    Minnesota (HF, 100%)

    Angels (RD, 67%)

    Arizona (HF, 67%)


    Dodgers (HF, 80%)


    Qualified Totals:


    Toronto/Az O9 1/2 (83%)

    Unqualified Totals:

    Atlanta/Pitt U8 (100%)

    Bos/Philly O9 1/2 (100%)

    Balt/Wash U9 (100%)

    Yanks/Mets O9 (100%)

    Mil/Mn O10 (67%)

    Angels/Cards U8 (100%)

    SD/Sea U6 (100%)
    Last edited by empty cookie jar; 05-21-10 at 06:04 PM.

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    Good luck tonight......interesting writeups.

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    Thanks......

    one more thing i am going to start tracking is the heaviest bet game of the day.....tonight that would be the TB/Hou game (i edited the post and put the stars next to it)

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    updated records

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 6-9


    HF: 18-9

    RD: 3-6

    HD: 2-0

    Overall: 26-22



    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 5-3

    HF:15-12

    RD: 0-15

    HD: 2-2

    Overall: 21-32

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    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 7-10

    70-79%: 1-3

    60-69%: 4-1

    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 12-7

    70-79%: 3-2

    60-69%: 4-1

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    Qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 0-0

    80-89%: 1-0


    70-79%: 0-1

    60-69%: 0-1


    51-59%: 0-0

    Qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 2-1

    80-89%: 5-1

    70-79%: 1-1

    60-69%: 1-0

    51-59%: 0-0

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    Probably just easier to handicap your own plays

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    early tally for saturday

    Qualified sides:

    White Sox (HF, 62%)

    Twins (HF, 80%)*****

    Unqualified sides:

    Baltimore (RD, 56%)

    SF (RD, 86%)

    Colorado (RF, 78%)

    Qualified Totals:

    Baltimore/Wash U9 (83%)

    Unqualified Totals:

    Fla/CHW U9 (67%)

    Angels/Cards U9 (100%)



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    saturday night tally

    Qualified sides

    Atlanta (RF, 87%)

    TB (RF, 84%)******

    Cincy (RF, 72%)

    Rangers (HF, 70%)

    Dodgers (HF, 60%)

    Seattle (HD, 58%)

    Unqualified sides:

    Arizona (HF, 88%)

    No totals qualify

    Unqualified Totals:

    TB/Hou U8 (100%)

    Cincy/Cle U8 1/2 (67%)

    Cubs/Rangers U9 1/2 (100%)

    Det/LA U8 (100%)


    Bos/Philly U10 1/2 (67%)

    NY/NY U7 1/2 (100%)

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    updated records

    Qualifying sides

    RF: 9-9 (50%)


    HF: 21-10 (68%)

    RD: 3-6 (33%)

    HD: 2-1 (67%)

    Overall: 35-26 (57%)



    Non qualifying sides

    RF: 5-4 (56%)

    HF:16-12 (57%)

    RD: 0-17 (0%)

    HD: 2-2

    Overall: 23-35 (40%)

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    Non qualifying Overs:

    90-100%: 7-10 (41%)

    70-79%: 1-3 (25%)

    60-69%: 4-1 (80%)

    Non qualifying Unders:

    90-100%: 14-10 (58%)

    70-79%: 3-2 (60%)

    60-69%: 6-2 (75%)

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