1. 10-27-09 12:50 PM #1
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    How do you NOT take Cliff Lee +145?

    I mean, the guy is pitching lights out right now. How do you not take him,against anyone, anywhere, at +145?
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  2. 10-27-09 12:56 PM #2
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    you have to.. but i wouldnt take it huge. yankees lineup is unreal.
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  3. 10-27-09 01:41 PM #3
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    "How do you NOT take Cliff Lee +145?"

    You take the Yankees with HorseBathia.
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  4. 10-27-09 01:50 PM #4
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    i get that CC is awesome too. its just cliff lee is posting insane pitching numbers right now, he's pratically unhittable. this game should be closer to -110 either way imo.
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  5. 10-27-09 03:39 PM #5
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    lee is something like 4-4 with a 5.04 era career vs nyy he won't be fooling them they have seen him many times, same goes for pedro thats why these lines are so high phils are way out matched here.
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  6. 10-27-09 11:38 PM #6
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    Quote Originally Posted by stats13 View Post
    i get that CC is awesome too. its just cliff lee is posting insane pitching numbers right now, he's pratically unhittable. this game should be closer to -110 either way imo.
    The part you are missing is that the NL is an inferior league. You are comparing apples to oranges.

    Did you see what Sabathia did in the NL?
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  7. 10-27-09 11:58 PM #7
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    oh c'mon, hte al isn't that much better
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  8. 10-28-09 01:06 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by stats13 View Post
    oh c'mon, hte al isn't that much better

    Yes it is.

    The AL had a bit of an "off" year in interleague play this year. They "only" went 137-114, which is the same winning percentage as an 88 win team.

    Do you compare 88 win teams with 74 win teams and say "it's close"?


    Year/Win-Loss/Win Pct/Season win equivalent

    2005 136-116 .540 87
    2006 154-98 .611 99!!!!
    2007 137-115 .544 88
    2008 149-103 .591 96!!!!
    2009 137-114 .546 88

    In baseball, these kinds of records indicate complete domination.

    And I ask you again, did you see what Sabathia did in the NL? Did you see what (insert name of any decent former AL pitcher) did when he switched leagues?

    1. Sabathia is better than Lee, and it's not close
    2. the AL East is tougher than the NL East and it's not close
    3. the AL is tougher than the NL and it's not close
    4. the 103 win Yankees are a better team than the 93 win Phillies and it's not close
    5. the Yankees are home for this game

    People who are not understanding the series and game one lines don't seem to realize points 1-4. This series is a relative mismatch. That's not to say the Phillies can't win. It's a seven game series, so anything can happen. I don't see value on the Phillies at these odds though.

    The line for Game 1 looks right on to me. Wait until you see the line for Game 2!
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  9. 10-28-09 01:11 AM #9
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    yea yankees will win easily
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  10. 10-28-09 08:19 AM #10
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    i love the yankees here.
    any time you can get cc in the -100's grab it by the horns and dry hump it into submission!
    yankees 9-2.
    Shit my bravos knocked Lee out in the 4th last time they played, I think the yankees can hit em. Lets not over think this one, the yankees are a strong play here. -490 to make $300. lets go yankees!!
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  11. 10-28-09 11:49 AM #11
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    phillies win 5-2
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  12. 10-28-09 12:07 PM #12
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    Take the yankees!!!!

    Lang is on the phillies
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  13. 10-28-09 12:09 PM #13
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    Small bet on phillies ML
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  14. 10-28-09 12:50 PM #14
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    Nothing about this is gonna be easy for the Yankees. Yes they should be favored but if you look at it honestly besides A-Rod who on the Yanks is really swinging a hot bat right now. Texiara at times looks lost right now. Other than the 10-1 blowout the Angels really hung in there and actually outplayed them at times. I think the Phillies are actually hitting better right now. I watched every inning of all the games so far and if was a pitcher what middle 4 of a lineup is more dangerous for me. Utley,Howard,Werth & Ibanez or Texiara, A-Rod, Matsui & Posada. I know how this sounds but if Philly gets anything from Rollins & Victorino the Yanks are in real trouble. Just my 2 cents worth.
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  15. 10-28-09 12:55 PM #15
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    I like yankees today too...
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  16. 10-28-09 01:34 PM #16
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    put it this way. i got a small bet on philly tonight +145. i couldnt see laying odds on the yanks tonight. either no play or phils, imo
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  17. 10-28-09 03:12 PM #17
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    GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK, GO NEW YORK,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah.
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  18. 10-28-09 03:15 PM #18
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    Phillies ML
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  19. 10-28-09 03:27 PM #19
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    Im on the Phils game 1
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  20. 10-28-09 03:45 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikail View Post
    Phillies ML
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  21. 10-28-09 03:45 PM #21
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    Phils Phils+165
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  22. 10-28-09 04:16 PM #22
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    Got to take the + for some action.
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  23. 10-28-09 04:17 PM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by KGambler View Post
    The part you are missing is that the NL is an inferior league. You are comparing apples to oranges.

    Did you see what Sabathia did in the NL?


    Lee was 22-3 with a 2.52 ERA last year in the AL

    This year his ERA in the AL was 3.14 which would have been the 4th best in the AL
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  24. 10-28-09 04:40 PM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by stats13 View Post
    I mean, the guy is pitching lights out right now. How do you not take him,against anyone, anywhere, at +145?
    because.........

    1) Sabathia has been just as impressive
    2) Yanks lineup is the best in baseball
    3) Yanks bullpen has the best closer in baseball
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  25. 10-28-09 05:07 PM #25
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    This one is a tougher call than it looks. based on the yankees play of late it looks like this game would favor the yankees. but if anything ill call for a play on the phillies
    here with a guy who won the AL Cy Young a year ago in C. Lee and although sabathia has been tough and yankees have the home field n they have yet to lose a game at home in the postseason, baseball is a dynamic game n theres a good chance
    they lose their first one here. looking at the pitching matchups early in the series game 1 is critical for the phillies to grab because none of the other matchups favor the phillies. for a hot-hitting team like the phillies having the extra DH in the lineup could bolster their offense even more. being the defending WS champs i look for the phillies to open sum eyes with a close win here. Go with the Phils here n GL.
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  26. 10-28-09 05:27 PM #26
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    lol bc there gona lose??
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  27. 10-28-09 05:29 PM #27
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    Go Phillies.
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  28. 10-28-09 08:28 PM #28
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    i so wanna bump this thread but dont want to jinx it

    oops
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  29. 10-28-09 10:05 PM #29
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    Looking good stats
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  30. 10-28-09 10:10 PM #30
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    Cliff Lee does it again!
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  31. 10-28-09 10:13 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikail View Post
    Cliff Lee does it again!
    Hat a true Pro, he had no jitters at all calm cool and collect
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  32. 10-28-09 10:38 PM #32
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    cliff f'n lee
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  33. 10-28-09 10:51 PM #33
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    megavalue cashes. if you bet the yanks tonight, yous a sucka fool, no ifs ands or buts about it.
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  34. 10-28-09 11:54 PM #34
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    seriously where did all the haters go?
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  35. 10-28-09 11:56 PM #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by stats13 View Post
    seriously where did all the haters go?
    They are licking their wounds and pouting!
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