1. 04-02-11 09:32 AM #1
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    I'm riding the Bucco's again today

    Who the hell are the Cubs to lay 1.70 to anybody.
    It's the Cubs for the love of God.

    Who says the young, hungry Pirates can't beat a sub-par team twice?

    Carlos Zambrano is a nuclear meltdown on spikes waiting to happen.
    Forget that for a moment, the current Pirate line up is 26 for 87 lifetime against the 'Z' man
    That's .299 batting average against.

    More importantly, this current Pirate line up against Zambrano has a lifetime on base percentage of .396
    That's 2 out of every 5 Pirates in the line up that faces Zambrano reaches base.
    That's a lot of base runners, base runners = runs.

    Maholm, the Pirate lefty is the type of lefty that when on, can shut down the best of line ups.

    Cubs is not the best of line ups.

    Pirates at +170 is a bargain, the best I've ever seen.
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  2. 04-02-11 09:34 AM #2
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    YUP....its ridiculous the lovefest for the Cubs. And Zambrano on the hump?? Cmon, this guy should never be a favourite like this against anybody. Go Buccos.
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  3. 04-02-11 09:36 AM #3
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    Actually Zambrano is still one of the top pitchers in the League.

    He had his meltdown last year b/c of Lou Pinella moving him to the bullpen for no reason.

    Zambrano is Cubs best pitcher by far, which should garner bettors and oddsmakers respect.

    I took the Under again. Malholm is a capable pitcher.


    All that said. Pirates +170 is the play, for the value and Cubs ridiculous price.


    BOL
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  4. 04-02-11 09:38 AM #4
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    I like the bucs as well, good luck today

    cheers
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  5. 04-02-11 09:44 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Who the hell are the Cubs to lay 1.70 to anybody.
    It's the Cubs for the love of God.

    Who says the young, hungry Pirates can't beat a sub-par team twice?

    Carlos Zambrano is a nuclear meltdown on spikes waiting to happen.
    Forget that for a moment, the current Pirate line up is 26 for 87 lifetime against the 'Z' man
    That's .299 batting average against.

    More importantly, this current Pirate line up against Zambrano has a lifetime on base percentage of .396
    That's 2 out of every 5 Pirates in the line up that faces Zambrano reaches base.
    That's a lot of base runners, base runners = runs.

    Maholm, the Pirate lefty is the type of lefty that when on, can shut down the best of line ups.

    Cubs is not the best of line ups.

    Pirates at +170 is a bargain, the best I've ever seen.
    I agree with you and having said that Zambrano (when he has his head screwed on straight) will be about the only guy the Cubbies have on the field that is woth a damn

    Best of luck today !!
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  6. 04-02-11 09:45 AM #6
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    im playing the pirates like them
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  7. 04-02-11 09:48 AM #7
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    If you read my stuff (and I doubt you do lol ) the Pirates got sticks.
    The kid at third is a stud, McCutchen is an all star, Neil Walker is a very nice middle infielder, this team isn't winning any NL pennants this year, but they are much better than people give them credit for.
    It's the starting pitching they lack, but Maholm I've always liked, he's that lefty (I used to play, I know) you don't want to face if his stuff is getting over. Only problem with him is, when he's not on, he'll walk four.

    Maholm is a solid 3 starter on any good team.
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  8. 04-02-11 09:56 AM #8
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    I like that McCutchen cat, good player
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  9. 04-02-11 09:58 AM #9
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    The Cubs went like 4-17 against the Pirates last season or something.
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  10. 04-02-11 10:09 AM #10
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    cant agree more had the pirates yesterday and like them even more today ...i also had the orioles yesterday and thinking about goin back to back with them too
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  11. 04-02-11 10:15 AM #11
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    All this love for the Pirates makes me glad to have the Cubs RL..Cubs don't start 0-2 at home. 6-2 Cubbies...
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  12. 04-02-11 10:17 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by agharah1 View Post
    The Cubs went like 4-17 against the Pirates last season or something.
    5-10
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  13. 04-02-11 10:20 AM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulihansTX View Post
    Actually Zambrano is still one of the top pitchers in the League.

    Good April Fools joke Houli. For a second there I thought you were serious.
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  14. 04-02-11 10:29 AM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcburg View Post
    Cubs don't start 0-2 at home.
    Because they are the '27 Yankees?
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  15. 04-02-11 10:42 AM #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regul8er View Post
    Good April Fools joke Houli. For a second there I thought you were serious.
    111-64 record since being named a full time starter in '03. 58% winning percentage, and not one losing year record wise.

    If you want to knock a guy b/c he is a hothead, his team sucks, and his former manager is a career loser then fine.

    But dont act as if facts support your claim.
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  16. 04-02-11 10:43 AM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Because they are the '27 Yankees?


    more like the Pirates are still the Pirates..do agree laying the .80 is crazy.
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  17. 04-02-11 10:45 AM #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcburg View Post
    more like the Pirates are still the Pirates..do agree laying the .80 is crazy.
    That's my whole point.
    Even if the bet goes south, and the Cubs win, I couldn't pass this up. +EV
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  18. 04-02-11 10:46 AM #18
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    I like both steve and Houli's angle on this game. Leaning towards Pirates and the under.

    Zambrano could make a comeback this year - but currently still a wild card. I would depend on Maholm more than that guy.
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  19. 04-02-11 10:46 AM #19
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    Scrubs lost their first five games vs. the Pirates last season.

    FYI the one start Zambrano made against the Pirates last year ended with a Cubs win.
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  20. 04-02-11 10:49 AM #20
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    Pirates or no play at this price.
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  21. 04-02-11 10:50 AM #21
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    wwhy not stay on the pirates train? cant pass up this price, no way!
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  22. 04-02-11 11:05 AM #22
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    By no means are the Pirates a lock, just love the price, and I really like Maholm (usually) lol
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  23. 04-02-11 11:06 AM #23
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    Don't think the Pirates will win today but there is a ton of value...GL.
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  24. 04-02-11 11:41 AM #24
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    I am a cubs fan but realize they are way over priced to bet on; only Phillys, NYY, and Redsox should be over -200.
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  25. 04-02-11 11:46 AM #25
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    Pirates have been doing well as of recently imo
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  26. 04-02-11 11:56 AM #26
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    I won yesterday on the Pirates. I like the value again today but will probably pass as I think the Cubs will find a way to win today.
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  27. 04-02-11 12:05 PM #27
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    Eh I'm on Cubs, but is more of a bet against the Pirates on the road then Cubs.
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  28. 04-02-11 12:06 PM #28
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    Agreed, Bucs were the first play on my card today. Let's win!
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  29. 04-02-11 12:40 PM #29
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    2-0 Neil (I'm falling in love with this guy) Walker with an RBI double.

    SWEET
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  30. 04-02-11 12:41 PM #30
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    Could get ugly fast
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  31. 04-02-11 12:55 PM #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanuckG View Post
    Could get ugly fast
    Looking good, Cubs blow.
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  32. 04-02-11 12:58 PM #32
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    Memo to Cubs hitters: Take a few pitches 7 pitches the 1st two inning for Maholm.
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  33. 04-02-11 01:03 PM #33
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    No reason Cubs can't lose 90+ this year. They can beat last years 87 losses.
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  34. 04-02-11 01:04 PM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcburg View Post
    Memo to Cubs hitters: Take a few pitches 7 pitches the 1st two inning for Maholm.
    That's how you beat Maholm, work in deep in the counts, if you don't he's successful.
    I guess the Cubs didn't get the memo.
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  35. 04-02-11 01:25 PM #35
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    Looking like a sweet payout. i won't say lock, but these are the Cubs.
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