[BennyBigNuts]

Always been in good shape but his neck is looking pretty roid-like lately

[matt1216]

Benny, most Enhancers actually hamper cardio production(increasing blood flow to the heart) over time, your arteries take way too much stress with long time use. It would work better for a like like Raonic. Two steps and mash the ball. You are on to something though. Larger veins is usually from higher blood pressure

[JC1186]

Who knows.

David just doesn't seem to have an Alartic Acid problem when playing those long matches.

[Sumalia]

Do any of you guys actually workout? Some of those accusations are hilarious

[JC1186]

Do any of you guys actually workout? Some of those accusations are hilarious

What exactly is wrong with terms like "cardio production" and "alartic acid"?

That's a recent photo of Matt in his Avatar btw. So he obviously has extensive knowledge and mental discipline to train and diet like an athlete.

Alartic acid is a real thing, ya know..

[Sumalia]

No, my point was that just because some athlete starts "having muscle" it doesn't mean that he is on roids. Once you start working out ofcourse you will beef up even without genes for this. Add diet to the equation and the the cardio from tennis and you will be shredded. People throw roids accusations way too lightly over some pounds of muscle or chisseled physique.

[JC1186]

I'm just having some fun with Matt mate. Some would say trolling.

That was a pretty reasonable and logical reply you made there given the above.

[matt1216]

Lol it's all good. I was half asleep when I typed the above^ who knows what Ferrer is on. He probably just comes from a strong Gene pool.

[BennyBigNuts]

No ones saying a guy can't be in great shape.
His neck hints roids though, plain and simple.
Guys at the end of his career, he could definitely use the edge.
Wouldn't blame him if he did.

[Honeybadger44]

C'monn Benny, seriously. ITF suspended Troicki for 18 months, because he gave blood sample 1 day later then he was supposed to. Wickmayer 6 months (or so) for not letting them now where she will be at... I seriously doubt that they would not notice one of the top players being on roids. And we are talking about Ferrer here. Guy known throughout his entire career as one of the hardest workers. I can't remember the anecdote from his youth precisely atm, but it was something like that he had so much energy that coach was locking him into wooden shed to cool him off sometimes

[gaebiskon]

isnt there a random drug test on atp/wta?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

The testing in tennis is a joke, always has been. I could bore you with the details, but leave it at that. It's very easy to evade.

By the way, Ferrer's base is at a tennis academy in Valencia. The head doctor there for 15 years was Lance Armstrong's dope guru.

[Honeybadger44]

@HeeeHAWWWW

Interesting. I am not a pro tennis player, so I can't be 100% sure what is really going on. My oppinion was simply based on many complaints by the players, that ITF's anti-doping methods are too aggressive a lot of the times. I thought that helps them to be efficient. Of course I might be wrong. It would be interesting to hear why they are easy to cheat. Cheers.
Still, tough for me to believe that Ferrer is on steroids. I am not expert on those, but I thought steroids made you stonger, not more durable. And his game is pretty much all about endurance.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Ok, a few random points:

1) Almost all testing in tennis is not random - it's after a match, specifically a lost match. Non-random tests are utterly and completely useless because dopers manage their blood values so as not to test positive.

2) Troicki was banned because he refused a test. You can't take it the next day, because of masking agents. When players are selected for a postmatch test, they are escorted constantly for that reason.

3) Until last season, players averaged a total of 1 random test a year (aka an out of competition test). How to evade? Just give a false location to the testers. You need to rack up 3 of these in 18 months to get banned, and they are very lenient about it. For example, Serena's hilarious "I thought the drug tester was a burglar" excuse didn't get her a violation.

4) Tournaments have no testing on off days. There are plenty drugs that are only detectable for 12 hours, 24 hours, etc. Want to know how players return from 5 hour epics not tired at all? That's how.



That's just a few at random, there are so many loopholes. Then there's past evidence - see what happened when doping first came into tennis in a mass way in the 90s. Korda doped his way to an Aus Open title and was busted. Agassi doped, was caught, and they covered it up to protect the sport's commercial interests. Then in 2002, half the tour tested positive for nandrolene - it was covered up by the ATP accepting the "supplements" excuse, despite the fact those supplements were tested and found not to be contaminated.

Since then ........... tennis authorities have seen what's happened in cycling and baseball, how those sports' images were ruined, and just decided not to test properly at all, despite it being incredibly obvious that doping was the norm across all professional sports.

This somewhat changed after Lance Armstrong, and the revelation his doping doctor was based at a tennis academy. Also, in a similar time, another dope doctor in Spain (Fuentes) said 20% of his clients were tennis players. They needed a PR response, and seem to have sharpened up a bit - Cilic and Troicki were caught more or less immediately. Of course, like all dopers, they had their excuses ready.

[jjgold]

no idea what he is doing but the guy is on top of his game for a long time

Yes he has never won big ones but incredibly inconsistent through the years with very little drop off