[thechaoz]

Wow that's strong John. Never heard you be so direct about a book. I have a small 4 figures on there and completing a freeroll but I think its coming off once I'm done (I'm assuming I'll be waiting two months anyway).

[Roxxyfish]

absolutely true , for example I am playing for 4 years on EURO sportsbook Betsson, I have made about 10 withdrawls they pay me everytime in under 24 hours into my neteller or moneybookers account, they have excellent CS with freephone and a great poker room on the highly recommended ongamenetwork and they are rated B- this and 2 or 3 other European books deserve at least A-

If this is true then they don't deserve a B rating. This is very generous to be at B.

[acarmelo1]

i cashed out $700 by westernunion with betmania with no problems but then got cutoff from 3 books (betphoenix , betmania , and wagerchief) because of a ********** in my betphoenix account...so i guess 1 person owns all 3 books?

Yes they do, scumbag chargebacker.

[acarmelo1]

i cashed out $700 by westernunion with betmania with no problems but then got cutoff from 3 books (betphoenix , betmania , and wagerchief) because of a ********** in my betphoenix account...so i guess 1 person owns all 3 books?

Yes they do Scumbag Chargebacker

[Fishhead]

absolutely true , for example I am playing for 4 years on EURO sportsbook Betsson, I have made about 10 withdrawls they pay me everytime in under 24 hours into my neteller or moneybookers account, they have excellent CS with freephone and a great poker room on the highly recommended ongamenetwork and they are rated B- this and 2 or 3 other European books deserve at least A-

Betsson is a terriffic book....great lines.

[Dark Horse]

BP needs to get its act together and stop blaming forums and players and processors and everyone but themselves. They need to remember that we are in Costa Rica too. When they pay their 13th month employee pay, required by law, late we get calls. When players miss a payment plan payment we get called. They were rated a B+ on the strength of their owner, business plan and investment. But now its been two years and we are seeing cracks in the foundation when we should be seeing improvement. The only way to fight bad PR in this racket is run a good operation and prove the critics wrong. So go ahead BP, prove us all wrong.

Can SBR not give everyone the background of BP, including financial security, from before they turned to the US market? You guys used to have the story on the different books. These days you're leaving us with much guesswork.

And how does the current lack of attention to detail at BP affect sister books Wagerchief, Betmania, and Sports-1. Are they all under the same umbrella, or is each viewed separately?

[mrpooh]

could this be the beginning of bad things all around?

[goldman40]

i always seen where they paid out and has a good rating

[Bill Dozer]

Can SBR not give everyone the background of BP, including financial security, from before they turned to the US market? You guys used to have the story on the different books. These days you're leaving us with much guesswork.

I think we still share quite a bit. There are a lot fewer books/people who try to misrepresent themselves due to knowing it's going to backfire because of SBR and its users. In the old days a sister book would pop up on a bunch of forums as a sponsor. We'd let everyone know they were affiliated with a low rent book and they'd eventually shut it down. We used to have more gotcha info with contacts in financials because of the more tangled webs. A lot of the info that comes in now is with the condition that we don't make it public...private FYIs. But, we don't always have the scoop. Sometimes its our opinion based on the same info you see here and read on SBR.

In regards to the scoop on Phoenix, their mgrs gave posters the nuts and bolts early on. Their majority owner holds stock in DSI which is 100% operated by CRIS. Phoenix has its own operation in a new elaborate facility in CR.

And how does the current lack of attention to detail at BP affect sister books Wagerchief, Betmania, and Sports-1. Are they all under the same umbrella, or is each viewed separately?

They are all different brands with the same company. WagerChief was the only brand that was still a white label but its marketing mgr/minority owner is no longer with them.

[pavyracer]

Bill why do books in CR invest in elaborate facilities when they can't pay a $2,000 money transfer on time?

[Hareeba!]

Betsson is a terriffic book....great lines.

ROFL

I think they have the unique distinction of being the only book where I exited without ever having had a bet!

The only three bets I attempted were limited to friggin' peanuts and I told them where to shove them

[Roxxyfish]

ur clueless bro Betsson , William Hill ,Ladbrokes and Betfair , are TOPnotch sportbooks in every aspect

ROFL

I think they have the unique distinction of being the only book where I exited without ever having had a bet!

The only three bets I attempted were limited to friggin' peanuts and I told them where to shove them

[Hareeba!]

ur clueless bro Betsson , William Hill ,Ladbrokes and Betfair , are TOPnotch sportbooks in every aspect

so please explain to me what's "clueless" about my experience with Betsson

Wm Hill and Ladbrokes are the same as all the other euro books .. great for while but once they figure out you know what you're doing your limits get cut to mere peanuts. My "limit" at Wm Hill is $0 for everything!

Putting Betfair in the same sentence as the others is what I'd rate as "clueless"

[Roxxyfish]

Buddy, I play all these books for many years with success and i never been cut on any limit

so please explain to me what's "clueless" about my experience with Betsson Wm Hill and Ladbrokes are the same as all the other euro books .. great for while but once they figure out you know what you're doing your limits get cut to mere peanuts. My "limit" at Wm Hill is $0 for everything! Putting Betfair in the same sentence as the others is what I'd rate as "clueless"

[Dark Horse]

They are all different brands with the same company. WagerChief was the only brand that was still a white label but its marketing mgr/minority owner is no longer with them.

Do you mean Jon, 'the Chief'?

[Hareeba!]

Buddy, I play all these books for many years with success and i never been cut on any limit

well all I can say is that your experience is very much at odds with the majority of players
it is widely known that all euro books have a habit of limiting severely

how can you explain that Betsson limited me so severely on my very first bet upon joining them?
and then repeated it on the next two bets I attempted?

what size bets do you make?

[Roxxyfish]

as i said have never heard of that ,the size of my bets depends for, i do singles, kombi and i often play systems loke all fourfolds from games, but a singlebet i do from 100EUR onwards

well all I can say is that your experience is very much at odds with the majority of players it is widely known that all euro books have a habit of limiting severely how can you explain that Betsson limited me so severely on my very first bet upon joining them? and then repeated it on the next two bets I attempted? what size bets do you make?

[noyb]

as i said have never heard of that ,the size of my bets depends for, i do singles, kombi and i often play systems loke all fourfolds from games, but a singlebet i do from 100EUR onwards

in other words: you're a losing player. no offence, but no book will limit you anyway.
if you will ever become profitable, you'll find Betsson (and Ladbrokes and WH) will be among the first to limit you or throw you out altogether.

[Salamander]

Doesn't sound like BP will be getting much evicted Matchbook money sent their way from the content of this thread

[mikeanite]

no wonder they were offering 100% bonus...

[luvtogamble]

was fixing to send some money to them for march madness, but after reading this tread will be sending to dsi or bet jamaica.

[Fishhead]

was fixing to send some money to them for march madness, but after reading this tread will be sending to dsi or bet jamaica.

5DIMES and LEGENDS are good choices also..........and BeTONLINE if you feel like chasing a decent bonus.

[Nicky Santoro]

In the history of offshore gambling, there has never been a 100$ bettor be limited or cutoff.. NEVER.. even if he was betting Billy Walters plays before they moved, and they moved 30 cents in his favor each time, he still would not be banned or limited, even if he was winning.


now back to BP.. i dont get this book. Richie stop with this. You are better than this. you have such a great book and great potential at BP, why are payouts taking 29 days, why do some wires take 4 days, some take 28 days, and some never get sent?? richie, BP can give books like Betjam and 5dimes a run for their money, but you guys are too disorganized. You're all over the place there. Lets get fast payouts, lets get book to book transfers.. etc.. no 4k max payout per week anymore.. always have money available to withdraw via Moneybookers. give out more options of payouts. come on richie, lets get this amazing BP operation to #1 offshore, which you could pull off easily, and i will assure you 757 new SBR posters will sign up and re up with you guys in the next 6 months for NFL..

Oh yeah, and take me off that crappy 20 cent line and put me back on reduced juice. I am waiting...thanks.

[ryanjep]

not looking too good lately for bp

[Roxxyfish]

yep thats what i said ,i never been cutoff from any book and sometimes i bet way more than 100,but Hareeba thinks we are all losing players because we never been cutoff

In the history of offshore gambling, there has never been a 100$ bettor be limited or cutoff.. NEVER.. even if he was betting Billy Walters plays before they moved, and they moved 30 cents in his favor each time, he still would not be banned or limited, even if he was winning. now back to BP.. i dont get this book. Richie stop with this. You are better than this. you have such a great book and great potential at BP, why are payouts taking 29 days, why do some wires take 4 days, some take 28 days, and some never get sent?? richie, BP can give books like Betjam and 5dimes a run for their money, but you guys are too disorganized. You're all over the place there. Lets get fast payouts, lets get book to book transfers.. etc.. no 4k max payout per week anymore.. always have money available to withdraw via Moneybookers. give out more options of payouts. come on richie, lets get this amazing BP operation to #1 offshore, which you could pull off easily, and i will assure you 757 new SBR posters will sign up and re up with you guys in the next 6 months for NFL.. Oh yeah, and take me off that crappy 20 cent line and put me back on reduced juice. I am waiting...thanks.

[vividjohn45]

this is bad news for betphoenix, troubled industry right now with matchbook. going "out". i think american law also hurts these books liquidity.

[PD77]

I find it coincidental that the first time I heard about Betphoenix it was from a "former" BetRoyal employee by the same of Steven. Now all of the sudden BetPhoenix is behaving exactly like Betroyal. I could have my stories mixed up but I dont think so.

[jjgold]

In the history of offshore gambling, there has never been a 100$ bettor be limited or cutoff.. NEVER.. even if he was betting Billy Walters plays before they moved, and they moved 30 cents in his favor each time, he still would not be banned or limited, even if he was winning.


now back to BP.. i dont get this book. Richie stop with this. You are better than this. you have such a great book and great potential at BP, why are payouts taking 29 days, why do some wires take 4 days, some take 28 days, and some never get sent?? richie, BP can give books like Betjam and 5dimes a run for their money, but you guys are too disorganized. You're all over the place there. Lets get fast payouts, lets get book to book transfers.. etc.. no 4k max payout per week anymore.. always have money available to withdraw via Moneybookers. give out more options of payouts. come on richie, lets get this amazing BP operation to #1 offshore, which you could pull off easily, and i will assure you 757 new SBR posters will sign up and re up with you guys in the next 6 months for NFL..

Oh yeah, and take me off that crappy 20 cent line and put me back on reduced juice. I am waiting...thanks.

Nicky they do not have the money thats why

[noyb]

In the history of offshore gambling, there has never been a 100$ bettor be limited or cutoff.. NEVER..

complete BS. if you feel like making such definitive statements at least make sure you know what you're talking about, which you obviously don't. many eurobooks cut players regularly for betting much less than three digits every single day.

[mdemps9190]

I wouldn't go against Nicky...The guy is an authority in the offshore world.

[AimingHigh]

In the history of Euro sportsbooks gambling, there has never been a losing100$ bettor be limited or cutoff.. NEVER.. even if he was betting Billy Walters plays before they moved, and they moved 30 cents in his favor each time, he .. would not be banned or limited, even if he was winning for a while and not consistently taking +ev bets.

Fixed for context. Perhaps the Offshore world won't limit that winning $100 bettor, but any Eurobook I have used will do so. Not based on what you bet or even how much you bet, but how you bet. Frankly, OP, I'd feel a little insulted that all those Euro books have let you keep betting with them.... they're telling you they don't think you have a clue.

[frostno98]

I wonder if they're finally succumbing to the SBR store freeplays they were giving out last year for cheapto Non-Pro's.

[me-first]

I stopped playing with BetPhoenix a few months back but I wish them well, there's some good people there..Then again, I considered Mark Del good people too.

[Fishhead]

Nicky they do not have the money thats why

[RickySteve]

When they pay their 13th month employee pay, required by law, late we get calls.

What does this mean?