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How fast will Bet Jamaica collar you?
Does anybody have experience with BJ. How fast they usually collar you should you win? I know they don't like pro business and they send all pros to Greek. Yet how high is their pain threshold on straight bets. 10K? 20K?
Ok let's pu the question this way. What book limits you faster- BJ or 5Dimes ?
Last edited by SportsMozart; 03-13-11 at 10:11 PM.
I wouldn't worry a bit. I would like to hear from someone that has been limited at BetJam.
Me. I still occasionally play there but my limits are around 300 and my delay is like 25 seconds i think.
Did you do anything special to earn that status or they just limited you cause you'd keep winning and cashing out too much?Originally Posted by katstale
My account at BetJamaica is Limited.
I can only bet $500 and only buy 1 point.
Its been that way for about 2 years now.
The Story behind it is, 2 years ago I was Playing
both side of NBA games buying 3 points each way
giving me a 6 point middle and was nailing middles at a crazy rate
and I would chase out the side that loss
they put a stop to that
Now every time i log in it reminds me of my limit
on buying points
Players always trying to beat the book, it is understandable. If you are doing something extra ordinary too often , you might find yourself collared. That too I can understand. For BJ that is a business after all. What I don't understand is when they limit you for placing straight bets and winning without any hocus-pocus. Truth is -95% of players will always lose in the long run. 1% will always win and the rest 4% will balance on both sides of double zero. Why hurt that 1% of winners by collaring them? Out of greed? Jazette has figured it out - they just rob that 1% out blind to show quarterly profit. Yet BJ is a decant establishment backed by Greek. They should do better and honor the winners and honest business approach without collaring people. Everybody has a pain threshold , even towards that 1%. That is why books have risk departments to keep eye on you and your winnings. Now my question is- how high is that pain threshold in BJ? 10k? 20? or maybe 40k?
I think it depends on how you win it.
I've never heard of story of someone being collared for betting straight bets.
it's always stories of people trying to circumvent the maximum bet limits, steam chasing, point buying, arbing, hedging, middling, teasers, and killing them on non mainstream sports, like tennis.
I win consistently only betting straight bets. I've never been collared, but I've never even bet half the book limit on a game.
Id imagine if you deposited 10k, and bet $1000 on 10 consecutive mlb spring training games, and won, you'd get shut down.
I guess what I'm trying to say is : don't make the book think you're are trying to fraud them, and play at an A book probably helps.
Best of luck.
Like Kat stated above, I'm also on a 25 second delay and have had my limits cut on all props to $50. Been that way for years, and was no doubt as a result of the fact that I was a heavy steam chaser several years back.....
So what we found out is that they collar you if you try this or that and they most likely wont collar you if you bet a straight bets in the 50% range of a book limits. Now I am sure that if you do so and cash out 4-5k /month 12 months in a row, you might still see a collar around your neck eventually. Am I right or am I right?
Probably, I don't think any of the shady online sportsbooks will tolerate 5000 dollar payout every month for 12 months. no one's going to let their book get crushed like that.
Try it. the worst that can happen is they send your money back and say we don't want your business anymore.
5D prolly limits much faster.
Like Stumpage i used BetJam for bonuses and steam chasing in the good old times, and the result was a delay.
But i can still get ~3k down on most stuff now including mlb MLs (i never bothered with props, as that is a sure way to get limited).
At 5D i got a delay and limits slash after just a few bets in the $500 range, so Betjam was much more tolerant...
I wish I had these problems of being cut off :-)
Stump, I am sitting here laughing myself silly imagining you standing up at a Steam Chaser's Anonymous meeting and repeating those heartfelt words in front of the group. I am glad you are dealing with this affliction in a forthright manner. Come to the Bash and lead a session for SBRJohn. Too funny!!
You have been limited by a few books.Sounds like your a profitable player.
You gotta a point here. The only ones who wont limit you for winning $4-5k/month is probably BM, Greek and Diamond. Pretty much everybody else will. Yet we found out that BJ is more tolerant than 5Dimes . That is too very useful information.
No, all books will limit you eventually if you keep winning at that rate.
Have you ever heard Pinny,BM or Greek limited somebody for betting straight and winning? $4-5k/month is pretty much nothing in a book where you can bet $50 000 on a football game on Sundays. It takes years and years of practice for any collaring to happen.
Way too many people here worried about what books will collar you and at what $$$ amount.
95% of books will limit you if you are beating them this is unavoidable so stop worrying about it. If you are sharp enough to get limited at more than 5 books than you should be sharp enough at that point to move to the next level.
I totally agree with you! Yet we all play and tend to worry about when we gonna get collared or kicked out...
We quietly waiting that to happen. So it is actually good to talk about that and try to share experiences how high books pain threshold really is. I care about that. It gives me a certain amount of information and guidelines that I need to operate with one or another book. When you play with a book and they hold your money , you better know everything about them and their possible next move.
Excerpt from the latest meeting of S.C.A...
"My name is Stumpage-"
"Helloooooo Stumpage..."
"...And I've been Steam-chase free for 5 years now (scattered applause...)
Never been limited by anyone. Guess I don't bet enough
Pinny, no.
BM and Greek? Yea.
Greek i got a warning that my account will be closed if i keep betting steam (years ago when i was unexperienced and just after quick money). I said i won't do it again, and asked "what about 2nd half lines?".
Wally said: 2nd half is fine. So i scalped some stuff with that, and as he said i got no warnings, but my limits on NFL halftimes have been reduced by ~50%.
Exactly the same thing happened to me, right down to the phone call and ominous warning from Wally.....
They will not limit you if you don't play both sides
are you talking about playing both sides to meet the rollover requirement? no book like it, not only betjam.
A casino in Nevada or ac will even ban you if you keep winning big amounts
It's called business
Sportsbooks are here to make money
Maybe if high turnover you might not get limited but very few books have huge turnover.
So what is big to you? In BM you can lay 50K on a football game . That tells me that guy who takes home $4-5k/month on regular basis will fly under the radar for a while. BJ is another matter. Book like that may let you win $30 K and then cut you off or put you on $50 bets and 45 sec delay like 5Dimes does.
Sure it is business, yet there is a way to treat winners. It has been said many times- 95% of players will always lose in a long run, 1% will always win in a long run and rest 4% will balance around the zero.
Now the way you treat that 1% says lot about the book. You can rob them blind like Sportsbook.com does. (That pretty much secures you a good quarterly profit since that 1% will take out 60% of payouts) or you can accept them as a normal part of the business. The coin always has 2 sides.
wish i would have that problem...must be nice!
I'm up around 5 figures lifetime at bet jamaica, and they never collared me..... maybe they dont respect me? who knows
If you win 10 000 over the lifetime, that is pretty much nothing. It has nothing to do with respect. They have simply not noticed you. If you were up six figures and saying so, now that would already mean something. I have won $10k a day several times in BM. They don't even blink the eye. Just that it is not a smart way to win. Especially in rec. book. You don't bet parlays or teasers, you keep your bets under $500 and win $4-5 K over the course of the month. That keeps you on tracks a lot longer. I think that secret in online sports betting is - not to stand out from crowd in any way and fly under the radar.
What we found out with this thread was that BJ pain threshold is higher than5 5Dimes. Yet how high it is remains unclear. Seems like no one has gotten to the other end of the line.
Last edited by SportsMozart; 03-17-11 at 11:56 PM.
Why do you care so much? Books like Greek and BM only get angry if you beat them by the second the line moves, it has nothing to do with the amounts you win. Pinny doesn't care, as they want this.
Jamaica is a totally different book, they want squares while Greek is for the sharps. That is why Spiro opened up Betjam as well, to offer something for everyone.
I have never had a problem with Greek or BetJam
they limited me on props $100 max I kept beating them solid book solid numbers props are weak
Wow..this is distressing..I live in Korea, where many illegal betting sites are notorious for the "Muk-Tee" (literally means eat-and-run) So everyone is telling me to turn to the foreign books, where your money is supposedly safe and you can get much better odds.
What exactly is the threshold for smaller books like Bwin, SBOBet, 188Bet, 12Bet? If you cashout about 1-2K on a monthly basis for let's say, a year, is that enough for a book to "collar" or limit you? Or does it all depend on what types of bets you're making rather than how much you're making and cashing out on a monthly basis?
Thank God Pinnacle accepts Korean users
Best damn book in my opinion - best odds and they got Korean sports
I would't call SBO bet a smaller bookWhy would you play with a local crooks in a frog land anyway?
You have the whole world wide open. Take Pinny, Greek, Bookmaker, SBO, Betfair, Diamond and none of them will ever kick you out for winning , you will always get paid.
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