[biggie12]

So as some of you are aware, i have a small handicapping website. To make a long story short I refered a player to The Greek who made a deposit for $1200.00 He used me as a Referal. My problem starts right here. First thegreek tells me that the player did not enter my account number when signing up, after a few emails back and forth they told me to get the player to call in and say i referred him and they will honor it. So after speaking with Wally on the phone personally he tells me that he will honor the bonus and to call him back as 30 days passes to collect the bonus.

At this time i asked him if there is any other requirements whatsoever, he said as long as the player is active for 30 days then i will receive the 21% bonus.!!!!!!!!

Story should end here and i should be collecting the bonus today. Instead when i emailed wally today to request the bonus about 3 minutes after sending the email i get this reply.

Sir your account has not been active. Again here are the referral bonus rules:

This is clearly posted on our website:

Both you and your friends account must be active for bonus to be valid, otherwise bonus may be denied, forfeited or revoked. Active is defined as an account having multiple wagers placed each week for the previous 30 days. Referral bonuses are awarded only after active requirements are met, and may be revoked if referred accounts do not maintain an active status.

NOW WOULD HAVE HE TOLD ME THAT MY ACCOUNT would have had to be active i would of deposited $50 and placed small wagers to just keep my account active.

I am almost 100% certain Wally at the time of telling me i could claim the bonus knew my account was not active and was just banking on the fact i wouldnt deposit and play. I think this is a real scumbag move on thegreek's part

Id like to hear what others think. I am definitely not a new player to thegreek either i've been with them maybe 4 years and down probably 5 figures to them. GOOD WORK BY THEM TO SCREW ME OUT OF A COUPLE HUNDRED to lose me forever

[Justin7]

You have to read a site's rules before chasing a bonus. I think Greek's rules are pretty clear.

From their site here:
http://www.thegreek.com/rulebook.asp#promo

Both you and your friends account must be active for bonus to be valid, otherwise bonus may be denied, forfeited or revoked. Active is defined as an account having multiple wagers placed each week for the previous 30 days. Referral bonuses are awarded only after active requirements are met, and may be revoked if referred accounts do not maintain an active status.

I wouldn't call this angle shooting.

[andywend]

biggie,
NOBODY is going to think badly of the Greek based on your story.

You are looking for some FREE MONEY and did NOT follow the rules.

I love the Greek and Wally has always been very fair.

Greek = A+ book

[sharpcat]

It sucks but the idea of the bonus is to reward players who are playing and paying juice not to hand out free money.

[linedrivr]

The rules are clear. you were not screwed on this one. The Greek is a solid book and I have been using them for years with no problems.

[Peep]

Whatever happened to people just wanting a place to bet where they could sweat the game, not the payout?

[aggieshawn]

Rules are their weapon to grab as much cash as possible.

[craigpb]

Maybe he should have told you if he had known, but otherwise seems fair.

[biggie12]

You have to read a site's rules before chasing a bonus. I think Greek's rules are pretty clear.

From their site here:
http://www.thegreek.com/rulebook.asp#promo

Both you and your friends account must be active for bonus to be valid, otherwise bonus may be denied, forfeited or revoked. Active is defined as an account having multiple wagers placed each week for the previous 30 days. Referral bonuses are awarded only after active requirements are met, and may be revoked if referred accounts do not maintain an active status.

I wouldn't call this angle shooting.

I'm very aware of the rules. I had called in prior to the player depositing and they had known my account was not in use for some time. When i originally called in, I was asking about getting set up with a 50/50 Rev share/CPA affiliate deal and the cs representative did not know what i was talking about, and ended up transferring me to Wally. At this point i was made aware that they would give me a $10 for each head. This is when i made sure i would be paid 21% if i did refer a friend instead, which obviously is a lot more profitable for me then $10 a head. His EXACT words were that the only requirement would be that my friend have his account for 30 days active after his first deposit. He said to call or email into support after 30 days to claim it.

FWIW i've played with them for about 4 years during nba, always paid and always the fastest to put out 2nd half NBA lines. Never had a problem untill today.

This situation was just terribly taking care of by wally.

Let him Admit he is wrong, or pay the bonus

The terms for the bonus are not exactly clear. Most t&c would say Bonus Will be whereas thgreek lists it as bonus may be?

meaning they pick and choose if they give the bonus if your active or not

Both you and your friends account must be active for bonus to be valid, otherwise bonus may be denied, forfeited or revoked.

[biggie12]

biggie,
NOBODY is going to think badly of the Greek based on your story.

You are looking for some FREE MONEY and did NOT follow the rules.

I love the Greek and Wally has always been very fair.

Greek = A+ book

I don't care what people think i just want to get my point across.

I'm looking to get money that is owed to me, not free money. i have more wagered on the WNBA finals right now then he owes me, its the point not the money.

[mtneer1212]

How about playing at the Greek? Are you playing somewhere else, or are you broke, and looking for a freebie?

[biggie12]

How about playing at the Greek? Are you playing somewhere else, or are you broke, and looking for a freebie?

Im canadian and have much better options.

I use the greek for betting NBA 2nd half lines. Why would i play at the greek and pay extra 5-20% vig on my games?

[Raven66]

Im canadian and have much better options.

I use the greek for betting NBA 2nd half lines. Why would i play at the greek and pay extra 5-20% vig on my games?

As a Canadian, what other books you play at?

[biggie12]

pinnacle, betting exchanges bet365

[Raven66]

I'm Canadian, I like heritage, Pinnacle and SIA.

[biggie12]

your canadian and like heritage interesting never have had an invite.

[mighty maron]

The only book I have never had a problem with is the greek

[9XL]

The only book I have never had a problem with is the greek

I second this. From payouts, software, wagering options, etc...the best overall sportsbook I have used.

[sportsbetwin]

They can hide behind their rules - thats their prerogative.

They should be grateful for referrals and not screw the referrer - but sportsbooks just wanna screw everyone - even the supposedly good ones like Greek.

Greek don't want referrals - they pay $10 a lead to affiliates for a depositing signup. I am not surprised they can find a way not to pay you.

[magynuck]

y not try talking to them again
phone works better than livechat
my dealings with them have always seemed like a real company...whether i get my way or not
i feel like i am dealing with a real company

others i talk to and feel dirty afterwards

[sharpcat]

They can hide behind their rules - thats their prerogative.

They should be grateful for referrals and not screw the referrer - but sportsbooks just wanna screw everyone - even the supposedly good ones like Greek.

Greek don't want referrals - they pay $10 a lead to affiliates for a depositing signup. I am not surprised they can find a way not to pay you.

I am not surprised either since it is clearly stated in their rules that both accounts must be "active" for 30 days, so since his account was not "active" for that 30 day period it does not surprise me that they would not change their rules to accommodate him.

[biggie12]

Sharpcat you do realize the only reason i'm complaining is because the manager wally did not stick to his word.

He Personally told me that only my refereed player had to be active, Let him admit to me he made a mistake or pay the bonus thats all im asking.

[biggie12]

I told wally today to either admit he is wrong or go back and listen to the phone conversation we had back on the 13th of august,

here is his response.

This issue is closed. I also read all the posting you did about this and you were also told there that you should have been aware of the rules.

Wally

[chunnnn2010]

As a Canadian, what other books you play at?

u can play at many others that accept Canadian players. Including Bodog.

[sharpcat]

Sharpcat you do realize the only reason i'm complaining is because the manager wally did not stick to his word.

He Personally told me that only my refereed player had to be active, Let him admit to me he made a mistake or pay the bonus thats all im asking.

Did you personally ask him if your account had to be active? Did he personally tell you that your account did not have to be active?

I understand why you are complaining and understand that you are upset but this is a misunderstanding on your part and a technicality in the sense that you should have read the rules. It seems as if you never specifically asked Wally if your account needed to be active also and that he figured you read the rules and understood this it is not his job to explain to you the rules that are readable on the site.

I know the feeling and it sucks but you live and learn in the future you know to read the rules and be more specific in your questioning when inquiring into the rules, it also is helpful to do this through live chat or Email so that you have records.

[pokerplayer22]

In my opinion, you really dont have a leg to stand on...Mainly because their rules are posted on their site. I will however say that it would seem like a book would want to say "thank you" for the referral and just give you your bonus (in hopes of maybe getting more referrals) rather than look through all their rules to find a way to penny pinch someone that just sent them a referral that deposited $1200. I also have to say that my dealings with Wally in the past havent been the greatest either....Just my take

[biggie12]

Did you personally ask him if your account had to be active? Did he personally tell you that your account did not have to be active?

I understand why you are complaining and understand that you are upset but this is a misunderstanding on your part and a technicality in the sense that you should have read the rules. It seems as if you never specifically asked Wally if your account needed to be active also and that he figured you read the rules and understood this it is not his job to explain to you the rules that are readable on the site.

I know the feeling and it sucks but you live and learn in the future you know to read the rules and be more specific in your questioning when inquiring into the rules, it also is helpful to do this through live chat or Email so that you have records.

There is my whole point sharpcat. I Personally asked him over the phone about my account being active. He exact words, as long as your friend is active for 30 days call me back and i will credit the bonus.

They claim they record the phone calls. I know the date and time he if really wanted to go back and look into it he could.

[biggie12]

In my opinion, you really dont have a leg to stand on...Mainly because their rules are posted on their site. I will however say that it would seem like a book would want to say "thank you" for the referral and just give you your bonus (in hopes of maybe getting more referrals) rather than look through all their rules to find a way to penny pinch someone that just sent them a referral that deposited $1200. I also have to say that my dealings with Wally in the past havent been the greatest either....Just my take

The referral i sent is down over $1500 already in the first month. I hope he understands that i will make sure that player never lays another bet down there.


like i told wally yesterday, Very well played.

[sharpcat]

So as some of you are aware, i have a small handicapping website. To make a long story short I refered a player to The Greek who made a deposit for $1200.00 He used me as a Referal. My problem starts right here. First thegreek tells me that the player did not enter my account number when signing up, after a few emails back and forth they told me to get the player to call in and say i referred him and they will honor it. So after speaking with Wally on the phone personally he tells me that he will honor the bonus and to call him back as 30 days passes to collect the bonus.

At this time i asked him if there is any other requirements whatsoever, he said as long as the player is active for 30 days then i will receive the 21% bonus.!!!!!!!!

Story should end here and i should be collecting the bonus today. Instead when i emailed wally today to request the bonus about 3 minutes after sending the email i get this reply.

Sir your account has not been active. Again here are the referral bonus rules:

This is clearly posted on our website:

Both you and your friends account must be active for bonus to be valid, otherwise bonus may be denied, forfeited or revoked. Active is defined as an account having multiple wagers placed each week for the previous 30 days. Referral bonuses are awarded only after active requirements are met, and may be revoked if referred accounts do not maintain an active status.

NOW WOULD HAVE HE TOLD ME THAT MY ACCOUNT would have had to be active i would of deposited $50 and placed small wagers to just keep my account active.

I am almost 100% certain Wally at the time of telling me i could claim the bonus knew my account was not active and was just banking on the fact i wouldnt deposit and play. I think this is a real scumbag move on thegreek's part

Id like to hear what others think. I am definitely not a new player to thegreek either i've been with them maybe 4 years and down probably 5 figures to them. GOOD WORK BY THEM TO SCREW ME OUT OF A COUPLE HUNDRED to lose me forever

This is the miscommunication here, this is what made it appear to me that the book was not in the wrong from the books standpoint unless specified since you are referring a player it would be safe to assume that you are an active player.

I have gotten screwed in situations like this myself also and it sucks you have to live and learn and have to read over everything very well. It is your responsibility to read the rules and clarify any misunderstandings before hand The Greek is a top notch book and you can not discredit them because of an error that is 99% your error.

This same rule applies for their weekly football pick 15 challenge in order to receive the full prize you have to wager at least $50 that week with them.

[trixtrix]

i think you're mistaking indifference for malice

[biggie12]

This is the miscommunication here, this is what made it appear to me that the book was not in the wrong from the books standpoint unless specified since you are referring a player it would be safe to assume that you are an active player.

I have gotten screwed in situations like this myself also and it sucks you have to live and learn and have to read over everything very well. It is your responsibility to read the rules and clarify any misunderstandings before hand The Greek is a top notch book and you can not discredit them because of an error that is 99% your error.

This same rule applies for their weekly football pick 15 challenge in order to receive the full prize you have to wager at least $50 that week with them.

I am well aware he told me over the phone that only the player had to play. He knew my account wasn't playing because he asked for my account # and password when we spoke so he saw my account up on his computer screen. He was not just writing down my # and pass on a peice of a paper.

He could of Handled the situation better by telling me he will honor the bonus this time, or tell me he will give me another 30 days to get my account active, Or admit he made a mistake. Being down over 5 figures never taking one bonuses or reload bonus from them, You think he would handle this situation differently.

I've gotten 12 players to stop playing there so far. Even though it won't effect his bottom line its still something

[kmarinouofm]

I am well aware he told me over the phone that only the player had to play. He knew my account wasn't playing because he asked for my account # and password when we spoke so he saw my account up on his computer screen. He was not just writing down my # and pass on a peice of a paper.

He could of Handled the situation better by telling me he will honor the bonus this time, or tell me he will give me another 30 days to get my account active, Or admit he made a mistake. Being down over 5 figures never taking one bonuses or reload bonus from them, You think he would handle this situation differently.

I've gotten 12 players to stop playing there so far. Even though it won't effect his bottom line its still something

good for you .. i guess you got what you wanted in the end?

did you really think they would just hand you over cash for referring someone? it would have probably been a freeplay or cash with a rollover anyway...

if you want to make cash on your players.. you are going the wrong way about it man.. you should probably find a decent pph service and collect that way..

you aren't going to line your pockets with referral bonuses

[biggie12]

Im a pretty big affiliate and have great deals that are based off revenue share. I was only working with thegreek cause they cater to US players.

"did you really think they would just hand you over cash for referring someone? it would have probably been a freeplay or cash with a rollover anyway..."

Whatever it is its the principle of the matter, I don't make my money refering people to sportsbooks but at the same time, ive lost countless amounts of money to that scumbag and for them to lie and go back on what he said is like a stab in the back.

[biggie12]

Wally you piece of wood.

You can"t even answer my simple question?

I know you check this thread as you made it apparent in our last email.

Stop being a little bitch and man up

[TomG]

The SBR court of public opinion has decided. You lost. Now go cry somewhere else.