[Fishhead]

Poker for suckers especially online

[HedgeHog]

Poker for suckers especially online

Online casino also a sucker trap. And so are free plays at BOL and DSI.

[Crusherrr]

Poker for suckers especially online

If you don't actively study with solvers, use HUDS, training software, etc then yes you would be considered a sucker.

[Miz]

the book is one of the best out now and I keep a sizable balance in there for years now with no issues. i recall a time in about 2006-07 or so when they were stiffing players, and employees were stealing passwords, dumping people's balances in the casino, and all kinds of reprehensible shit like that. So they're good until they aren't.

the good: high limits, the payout times have improved dramatically in the last few months, and being allowed to get a bonus only 14 days after cashing out is amazing. No more 30 day wait period on payout after taking a bonus.

the bad: I really dislike the new +125 rule, it is a game changer for sure.

[lakerboy]

that book is just awful to begin with

Reasons?

[deeppckts]

the same kind of idiot who has been here since 2012 and dosnt take advantage of the PRO membership

I couldn't even be bothered to look into it. What do you get, free pizza every 2 months and an SBR thong autographed by jjgold?
I am guessing it's worth about $1.50 per day. Does that sound like something an actual pro would be interested in?

It is really amusing to be lectured by two 'pros' that either play poker player (it's not 2004 anymore) or think BOL's freeplays are -EV (how can you be around since at least 2012 and not be able to figure that out)? HedgeHog, tell me again how lowvig and BOL compare on juice for moneylines.

[Jayvegas420]

so by your math ( 1.5x365)
that's $547.50/year

you don't understand +ev, do you


...and then there's all that free fukken pizza.

go pro ya dead beat, it will add value to your 4 posts a year

[deeppckts]

What's the EV when your opportunity cost is $200/hr?

[gauchojake]

The math has been done already. It's +ev even for big ballers like yourself

[5mike5]

People that argue its not worth it are either just plain dumb or too broke to join

[firedawg]

I'm
Broke

Can't renew


Call me broke dikk

[deeppckts]

The math has been done already. It's +ev even for big ballers like yourself

I have to login every day or make a post every day for $1.50? And you think that's +EV for everyone?

[HedgeHog]

I couldn't even be bothered to look into it. What do you get, free pizza every 2 months and an SBR thong autographed by jjgold?
I am guessing it's worth about $1.50 per day. Does that sound like something an actual pro would be interested in?

It is really amusing to be lectured by two 'pros' that either play poker player (it's not 2004 anymore) or think BOL's freeplays are -EV (how can you be around since at least 2012 and not be able to figure that out)? HedgeHog, tell me again how lowvig and BOL compare on juice for moneylines.

They're the same dumbass. The value is on sides and totals with greatly reduced juice at LV. For someone you says EV in nearly every post, you clearly have no concept of value.

[deeppckts]

They're the same dumbass. The value is on sides and totals with greatly reduced juice at LV. For someone you says EV in nearly every post, you clearly have no concept of value.

So... you don't bet moneylines?

But let's forget moneylines, where LV has no advantage. Here is why your claims still make zero sense. You are opting to play at Lowvig for -105 sides and totals and not using BOL at all. So apparently you're beating those at LV straight up with no bonus. That means you're able to identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -105. The fact that you're not willing to take the BOL bonus means that you cannot identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -110. So your edge on sides/totals is always 1-2 cents (since if it was 3-4 cents you could easily cover your negative edge with the bonus). That just isn't possible. No one has an edge that is always 1-2 cents. Sometimes it's zero, sometimes it's 1-2 cents, sometimes it's more.

Or is it that you have no edge at all, in which case you just prefer to lose less? In that case, you're correct to go with LV.

What you're doing makes no sense. And we haven't even talked moneylines and we haven't even talked scalping, which as a seasoned bonus whore you don't need that explained to you. You just sound pissy that your EV on their 100% bonus fell by a couple hundred dollars rather than being rational about it.

Here's a betpoint, Pro. Cheer up.

[ronald]

So... you don't bet moneylines?

But let's forget moneylines, where LV has no advantage. Here is why your claims still make zero sense. You are opting to play at Lowvig for -105 sides and totals and not using BOL at all. So apparently you're beating those at LV straight up with no bonus. That means you're able to identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -105. The fact that you're not willing to take the BOL bonus means that you cannot identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -110. So your edge on sides/totals is always 1-2 cents (since if it was 3-4 cents you could easily cover your negative edge with the bonus). That just isn't possible. No one has an edge that is always 1-2 cents. Sometimes it's zero, sometimes it's 1-2 cents, sometimes it's more.

Or is it that you have no edge at all, in which case you just prefer to lose less? In that case, you're correct to go with LV.

What you're doing makes no sense. And we haven't even talked moneylines and we haven't even talked scalping, which as a seasoned bonus whore you don't need that explained to you. You just sound pissy that your EV on their 100% bonus fell by a couple hundred dollars rather than being rational about it.

Here's a betpoint, Pro. Cheer up.

Who is that in your avatar?

It looks like former SBR poster and "philosophy pick" tout VEGAS DAVE.

Is that who it is?

Forgive my ignorance, but I do not watch cartoons unless it is some form of erotica.

[deeppckts]

Who is that in your avatar?

It looks like former SBR poster and "philosophy pick" tout VEGAS DAVE.

Is that who it is?

Forgive my ignorance, but I do not watch cartoons unless it is some form of erotica.

I hear Vegas Dave works TSA these days.

[HedgeHog]

So... you don't bet moneylines?

But let's forget moneylines, where LV has no advantage. Here is why your claims still make zero sense. You are opting to play at Lowvig for -105 sides and totals and not using BOL at all. So apparently you're beating those at LV straight up with no bonus. That means you're able to identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -105. The fact that you're not willing to take the BOL bonus means that you cannot identify sides/totals where you have an edge at -110. So your edge on sides/totals is always 1-2 cents (since if it was 3-4 cents you could easily cover your negative edge with the bonus). That just isn't possible. No one has an edge that is always 1-2 cents. Sometimes it's zero, sometimes it's 1-2 cents, sometimes it's more.

PS Your bet point was returned. Accumulate 2999 more and you go pro.

Or is it that you have no edge at all, in which case you just prefer to lose less? In that case, you're correct to go with LV.

What you're doing makes no sense. And we haven't even talked moneylines and we haven't even talked scalping, which as a seasoned bonus whore you don't need that explained to you. You just sound pissy that your EV on their 100% bonus fell by a couple hundred dollars rather than being rational about it.

Here's a betpoint, Pro. Cheer up.

Of course I play money lines. BOL's ML is no bargain, but it's useful for the occasional scalp against other Books to complete RO. However, now that the 1k free play has dropped in value from $800 over a year ago to now $500, it isn't worth my time to try and hedge 28k in action over a week or two to clear a few hundred dollars in profit. My "opportunity cost" is also worth $100-$200 per hour, so I no longer find it worthwhile hedging BOL ML's vs other Books. And yes I can clear a profit on 105 lines at LV, not that difficult.

PS Returning your bet point. You need it more than I do.

[deeppckts]

Of course I play money lines. BOL's ML is no bargain, but it's useful for the occasional scalp against other Books to complete RO. However, now that the 1k free play has dropped in value from $800 over a year to now $500, it isn't worth my time to try and hedge 28k in action over a week or two to clear a few hundred dollars in profit. My "opportunity cost" is also worth $100-$200 per hour, so I no longer find it worthwhile hedging BOL ML's vs other Books. And yes I can clear a profit on 105 lines at LV, not that difficult.

You're either full of shit about something or a moron. You're easily clearing a profit on -105 but can't break even at -110 at BOL, making the freeplay pure gravy? Something doesn't add up.

[HedgeHog]

You're either full of shit about something or a moron. You're easily clearing a profit on -105 but can't break even at -110 at BOL, making the freeplay pure gravy? Something doesn't add up.

You're not that bright DP. If you have several outs then you can use LV to set up many +Ev opportunities.

[Fishhead]

I couldn't even be bothered to look into it.

What do you get, free pizza every 2 months and an SBR thong autographed by jjgold?
.

[Fishhead]

You're not that bright DP.

If you have several outs then you can use LV to set up many +Ev opportunities.

Same with bonuses

[deeppckts]

HedgeHog's thinking doesn't make any sense. He's just pissy about the change in rules. You have to be an absolute fool not to be putting BOL over a barrel with their bonus program right now.

[HedgeHog]

Same with bonuses

That's true, but BOL's bonus rules have greatly diminished its profitability potential. If you bust out quickly, it's definitely +Ev. But if you don't, then having to complete the entire 28k RO is -EV. You'll likely give back that $500 profit from the FP and then some with that large volume of hedging. Worse, if the bets placed at BOL win at a high rate, you'll end up tying up 15-20k at BOL. I have experienced this in the past, and it's money that could've be used at other Books to generate profit so there is an opportunity cost to consider. BTW, with the Free Plays now being limited to +125 or less, you'll be winning that FP a lot more now--and that's not beneficial when you're trying to bust out quickly. So all in all, I'm not convinced that the BOL bonus is worthwhile. It's certainly not the "pure gravy" that one idiot poster portrayed it as.

[deeppckts]

Who cares if it's diminished? It's +EV or it isn't.
It's not my fault after 12+ years you can't figure out how to arb without significant losses or that 15-20k sitting in BOL grinds your operation to a halt. Maybe if you attacked BOL harder your BR wouldn't be so small.

[Crusherrr]

That's true, but BOL's bonus rules have greatly diminished its profitability potential. If you bust out quickly, it's definitely +Ev. But if you don't, then having to complete the entire 28k RO is -EV. You'll likely give back that $500 profit from the FP and then some with that large volume of hedging. Worse, if the bets placed at BOL win at a high rate, you'll end up tying up 15-20k at BOL. I have experienced this in the past, and it's money that could've be used at other Books to generate profit so there is an opportunity cost to consider. BTW, with the Free Plays now being limited to +125 or less, you'll be winning that FP a lot more now--and that's not beneficial when you're trying to bust out quickly. So all in all, I'm not convinced that the BOL bonus is worthwhile. It's certainly not the "pure gravy" that one idiot poster portrayed it as.

Many good points, it's definitely a big downgrade to their bonuses. That being said, the 100% ones were all we had to look forward to for a while. Then they added the 35% on every deposit. Have to take the good with the bad. They also payout super quick now, faster than ever before. I'm not happy about it, but it's still a great option to have and the bonuses are still good, just not great anymore.

[HedgeHog]

Who cares if it's diminished? It's +EV or it isn't.
It's not my fault after 12+ years you can't figure out how to arb without significant losses or that 15-20k sitting in BOL grinds your operation to a halt. Maybe if you attacked BOL harder your BR wouldn't be so small.

Funny how I say "idiot poster" and you appear. 15-20k tied up definitely does not "grind my operation to a halt, but it's cash that isn't generating any income. Think of it as money in a non interest savings account, it doesn't do me any good.

[deeppckts]

It shouldn't take you more than a few days to meet the roll if you know what you're doing. And now they payout in minutes. No 30 day hold. I notice you aren't applauding them for that, just bitching about the bad. Feel sorry for you that you can't float 15k.

[Fishhead]

Funny how I say "idiot poster" and you appear. 15-20k tied up definitely does not "grind my operation to a halt, but it's cash that isn't generating any income. Think of it as money in a non interest savings account, it doesn't do me any good.

You're not properly attacking and in a fog as far as what all the rules entail at BOL

GL in 2020 with your operation moving forward.

[HedgeHog]

It shouldn't take you more than a few days to meet the roll if you know what you're doing. And now they payout in minutes. No 30 day hold. I notice you aren't applauding them for that, just bitching about the bad. Feel sorry for you that you can't float 15k.

You're full of shiit. Did you complete that huge DSI RO in a few days too? More BS. You're a fat ass blowhard that thinks he's a big timer.

[deeppckts]

No DSI took longer. Worse odds. But I'm not strapped for funds like you.

PS. Personal attacks uncalled for. Obesity is arguably the deadliest disease affecting Americans. I struggle daily.

[HedgeHog]

No DSI took longer. Worse odds. But I'm not strapped for funds like you.

PS. Personal attacks uncalled for. Obesity is arguably the deadliest disease affecting Americans. I struggle daily.

If BOL changed it's FP requirements to straight bets at -900 lines or worse, you'd still take the bonus and claim it's +Ev. It's ok to say "no" to a bad bonus, just like it's ok to pass on seconds at the dinner table. Frankly I don't see you doing either. Sorry you're fat and lack self control in many facets of your life. BTW, I'm not short on funds.

[deeppckts]

If BOL changed it's FP requirements to straight bets at -900 lines or worse, you'd still take the bonus and claim it's +Ev. It's ok to say "no" to a bad bonus.

Incorrect. And it's not a bad bonus. BOL is keeping me well funded and... well fed.
But that's OK, suit yourself. If it weren't for people like you that are so easily scared off of profitable bonuses, I'd have to get a real job and earn 10x less.

[HedgeHog]

Incorrect. And it's not a bad bonus. BOL is keeping me well funded and... well fed.
But that's OK, suit yourself. If it weren't for people like you that are so easily scared off of profitable bonuses, I'd have to get a real job and earn 10x less.

Well fed? If you're obese, your eating habits are anything but "well". Not sure what kind of job you can get if the BOL bonus gets watered down any more....personal trainer???

[deeppckts]

Motivational speaker

[HedgeHog]

Appropriate. If you can't make it, teach others to do the same.