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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    The only problem with having so many books is after you figure out your bets for the day you then have to go from book to book to place those bets, see which lines are doable and not.. That takes time..
    It does take time, but if you win more often or pay less on losses it's worth it, no?

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    definitely played at betislands as well. I wasn't one of the ones stiffed though. Guess I was just lucky with my timing.
    Quote Originally Posted by BAUS View Post
    Jon Kreta left WagerChief to start Betislands (SBR rated B+ shop). He proceeded to abscond with over a million dollars in player funds.

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    One notion that is false in my opinion is line shopping is why you should have multiple books - its the bonuses that make multiple books worthwhile. If you get an extra half point on every NFL game it won't make a difference in the long run, the NFL is a pick the winner league and 82% of the time the spread does not matter. Extra half points in basketball matter but in college and the NFL I just don't think the extra half point is going to make a difference most years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGBatch View Post
    It does take time, but if you win more often or pay less on losses it's worth it, no?
    It is worth it.. Also when you are signed on with many books you will get free contest play daily on many of them. Can't get that kind of free action on just one book only... I know I play many daily..

    I've hit many times for $50 and even $500 freeplay over the years on books like BetDSI, Bookmaker and 5dimes just from playing the free contests daily.. Hitting 5 or 10 picks in a row..

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    it really does not matter that much if you are going to play off shore books. They are all a rip off anyways. You guys are desperate for any type of freebees you can get because you all lose so much. Very few of you, if any, are pro gamblers. If you were, you would know that you NEVER play offshore because you have to wait forever to get paid, they insist on all kinds of ID before they pay you, ID that they can use against you if they need to, they cut your limits when you win, and they can just disappear without a trace.

    It is critical to have at least three books who you can depend on at all times. It is also critical that you have your money available at all times, not tied up in some book that may or may not pay you depending on their mood. You have to be able to move funds from one book to another in seconds, not hours or days. You have to be able to play NCAA and NFL "Games of the Year" for real money, not this nickel and dime crap that some offshore books allow. You have to have the ability to middle without being chased out of your book. No offshore book allows that. Most Vegas books are not real happy with that either, which is why you have to have at least 3 major Vegas books and the ability to get a wager down immediately, without tying all of your resources up because you had to deposit in some stupid offshore book while are waiting for a payout from another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post
    it really does not matter that much if you are going to play off shore books. They are all a rip off anyways. You guys are desperate for any type of freebees you can get because you all lose so much. Very few of you, if any, are pro gamblers. If you were, you would know that you NEVER play offshore because you have to wait forever to get paid, they insist on all kinds of ID before they pay you, ID that they can use against you if they need to, they cut your limits when you win, and they can just disappear without a trace.


    It is critical to have at least three books who you can depend on at all times. It is also critical that you have your money available at all times, not tied up in some book that may or may not pay you depending on their mood. You have to be able to move funds from one book to another in seconds, not hours or days. You have to be able to play NCAA and NFL "Games of the Year" for real money, not this nickel and dime crap that some offshore books allow. You have to have the ability to middle without being chased out of your book. No offshore book allows that. Most Vegas books are not real happy with that either, which is why you have to have at least 3 major Vegas books and the ability to get a wager down immediately, without tying all of your resources up because you had to deposit in some stupid offshore book while are waiting for a payout from another.
    This is the dumbest post I've read in a couple months and it was obviously written by someone who has never played offshore. I'd much rather bet offshore where I can hit the opening lines and not lose 2-3 points of value in the NFL or 4-5 points of value in college driving to some casino where I have to take 20 minutes to park and then half an hour to drive home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BAUS View Post
    Jon Kreta left WagerChief to start Betislands (SBR rated B+ shop). He proceeded to abscond with over a million dollars in player funds.

    BAUS
    congrats bro

    you got reason number 2 of 10

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    I thought you had 5 fully funded books jj

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    This is the dumbest post I've read in a couple months and it was obviously written by someone who has never played offshore. I'd much rather bet offshore where I can hit the opening lines and not lose 2-3 points of value in the NFL or 4-5 points of value in college driving to some casino where I have to take 20 minutes to park and then half an hour to drive home.
    Agreed, I was gonna respond to that post but just said to myself why bother..

    Besides that even pro gamblers hit up the free contests that the books offer also.. It's free money when you win at zero risk to the player.. Why not?

    Who doesn't like 50 or 500 FP wins every now and then, I know I don't.. The 50FP aren't much but the 500FP hits work just fine for me.. I've hit them in the past.. Some books offer you Amazon purchases instead of FP also..

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post
    it really does not matter that much if you are going to play off shore books. They are all a rip off anyways. You guys are desperate for any type of freebees you can get because you all lose so much. Very few of you, if any, are pro gamblers. If you were, you would know that you NEVER play offshore because you have to wait forever to get paid, they insist on all kinds of ID before they pay you, ID that they can use against you if they need to, they cut your limits when you win, and they can just disappear without a trace.

    It is critical to have at least three books who you can depend on at all times. It is also critical that you have your money available at all times, not tied up in some book that may or may not pay you depending on their mood. You have to be able to move funds from one book to another in seconds, not hours or days. You have to be able to play NCAA and NFL "Games of the Year" for real money, not this nickel and dime crap that some offshore books allow. You have to have the ability to middle without being chased out of your book. No offshore book allows that. Most Vegas books are not real happy with that either, which is why you have to have at least 3 major Vegas books and the ability to get a wager down immediately, without tying all of your resources up because you had to deposit in some stupid offshore book while are waiting for a payout from another.
    I'm not a professional gambler but what do you define as a professional? Forever to get paid? All kinds of ID? Use against me? Disappear? In 15 years I've been playing online at offshore books it's not true, or I'm just that damn lucky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike View Post
    I'm not a professional gambler but what do you define as a professional? Forever to get paid? All kinds of ID? Use against me? Disappear? In 15 years I've been playing online at offshore books it's not true, or I'm just that damn lucky!
    What defines a PRO GAMBLER? I've often pondered on that.. I suppose if you cap for hours every day, place many bets every day and win over time that constitutes you as a pro gambler.. That's your job and your main source of income and it's working for you..

    That's how I think of it anyways. I could be wrong.. It's not my main source of income personally but it is what I do every day and it takes up hours of my time each and every day.. I consider myself a professional sports gambler as I've been doing it also for over 25 years and it's profitable.. More of a hobby then a profession for me personally though..

    Some professional gamblers are better then others, most have different strategies of play, some are mathematical geniuses and work every percentage and angle with workable schemes to profit, others are just damn good at picking winners consistently year after year and profit that way...

    So it varies.. My take anyways on the label..

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    bro you are part time

    PERIOD

    basically we call you the peanut gallery

    the PROS sit on the base lines

    you are lucky to be in the same stadium as PROS

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigdaddyQH View Post
    it really does not matter that much if you are going to play off shore books. They are all a rip off anyways. You guys are desperate for any type of freebees you can get because you all lose so much. Very few of you, if any, are pro gamblers. If you were, you would know that you NEVER play offshore because you have to wait forever to get paid, they insist on all kinds of ID before they pay you, ID that they can use against you if they need to, they cut your limits when you win, and they can just disappear without a trace.

    It is critical to have at least three books who you can depend on at all times. It is also critical that you have your money available at all times, not tied up in some book that may or may not pay you depending on their mood. You have to be able to move funds from one book to another in seconds, not hours or days. You have to be able to play NCAA and NFL "Games of the Year" for real money, not this nickel and dime crap that some offshore books allow. You have to have the ability to middle without being chased out of your book. No offshore book allows that. Most Vegas books are not real happy with that either, which is why you have to have at least 3 major Vegas books and the ability to get a wager down immediately, without tying all of your resources up because you had to deposit in some stupid offshore book while are waiting for a payout from another.
    FRAUD DADDY -

    Still haven't seen your Wyoming +10.5 ticket dated 6/30 from the Golden Nugget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5918mike View Post
    I'm not a professional gambler but what do you define as a professional?
    Pro's don't spend their time making 18,000+ posts on an internet forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodneytrotter View Post
    Pro's don't spend their time making 18,000+ posts on an internet forum
    Some do on the gambling forums ..

    Gotta pass the time posting while capping sports or life and gambling becomes a boring grind.. I like it.. I'll be capping MLB and take a 5 minute break in the morning like right now and sip on the coffee and read the garbage and post myself...

    Once in a while you pick up a good tip on a bet as well, betting angles, props, futures, etc.. It's not a complete waste of time, especially if you get a laugh out of it also....

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    Bookmaker
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    5Dimes
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    Intertops

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    Is it allowed to have accounts at both BetCris and Bookmaker ?

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    What do u guys think of Jazz?

    If u had to sign up for one NEW book, how would u rank these 3? Jazz/Nitrogen/LooseLines?

    Thx for any reply.

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    What about this one for a throwback old-school book? Intertops.

    Been a while since I played there. How TFk can they offer such generous bonuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    What do u guys think of Jazz?

    If u had to sign up for one NEW book, how would u rank these 3? Jazz/Nitrogen/LooseLines?



    Thx for any reply.
    I've had no problems with Jazz, only play there for the 100% FP bonus they always give me though, don't use Nitro or LL though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nasdaq View Post
    Is it allowed to have accounts at both BetCris and Bookmaker ?
    Yes

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    What do u guys think of Jazz?

    If u had to sign up for one NEW book, how would u rank these 3? Jazz/Nitrogen/LooseLines?

    Thx for any reply.
    Jazz and Looslines part of the same group.

    Nitrogen really for people who want to gamble on the price of bitcoin as well as the games.

    So it's really just if you want to hold bitcoin or not, rather than ranking them.

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    Your money is very safe at Itops but you will get limited very fast. GL!

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    I think you have to get access to a minimum of 3 or more books in order to really capitalize in this game. Too much room for shopping lines and finding value versus only having a single book or two books, especially if they move in similar ways.

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    I play at 5 or 6 books. Betonline, bookmaker, gtbets, youwager, betus, and skybook. More bonuses and you always get the best line possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    What about this one for a throwback old-school book? Intertops.

    Been a while since I played there. How TFk can they offer such generous bonuses?
    Because they have shit odds but you can catch a good number occasionally slow to move sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbobets View Post
    Because they have shit odds but you can catch a good number occasionally slow to move sometimes.
    Thx, Turbo.

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    5D and Pinny for me....Low juice across board and always payout on time. 5D is my preferred book though. Sports and Racebook are A1.

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    Five dimes is probably the most well-rounded book in American history

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckyTheGoat View Post
    What do u guys think of Jazz?

    If u had to sign up for one NEW book, how would u rank these 3? Jazz/Nitrogen/LooseLines?

    Thx for any reply.
    I use looselines and find them to be a very good book...Solid A i would rate them..I use them mostly for USA horse W/P, daily double and Exacta bets they pay of a daily rebaye of 7% on those which is awesome..They have good C/S and payouts are fast BTC basically sent while you are on phone or chat...Only negative is they only allow 1K per day payout via BTC and since the Aug 1st chain split takes 30 confirmations for deposits to credit...I recommend!

    PS I use (4) books Nitrogen, Heritage, Looselines and Fairlay...

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    Nitrogen should not be on any radar compared to old school books like Jazz

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    Which book are you with that does that?

    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    This is comical, guys would rather use offshore accounts than just pay or get paid every week via paypal. No interest or fee, tip at ur discretion. It's that easy but let's go and over complicate things and waste time

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    Quote Originally Posted by beavis13 View Post
    Just a local for me unless you count SBR sports book.
    Can you refer me?

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