[habitualwinning]

I have a question. I just tried to throw a few dimes on a game at the price I wanted and when I went to confirm the bet it said, "oops, you cannot place a bet until your deposit is confirmed." I've been using this site for like 6 months now and I've never once had to wait for a deposit to confirm before placing a bet. Getting a payout, yes of course but never just to place a bet on a game. Has this happened to anyone else before? I just placed bets yesterday fine on an unconfirmed transaction so apparently they changed their policy without any notification? Like I said I've been betting for 6 months there and never had this happen until just now. I tried asking the admin in chat and they told me it's always been like that. I'm over here scratching my head cause it's obviously not always been like that cause I would've noticed before. That's the primary reason I use Nitrogen is the fast deposits and payouts, so if this is the new norm I'll probably take my business somewhere else with more betting options if the deposit times are going to be the same. I don't understand what happened, anybody know? Thanks.

[Sam Odom]

depends on the amount of the wager

but they wont say the #

has happened to Sammy... try popping it at lower amount x3

[habitualwinning]

depends on the amount of the wager

but they wont say the #

has happened to Sammy... try popping it at lower amount x3

Damn wish I would've known that cause the blockchain has been slow today too. Thanks for the info.

[KickShootThrow]

when you make a deposit that is large, it will take you a few mins to 'confirm' the deposit before you can bet.

just be patient.

[Seanthewinna]

I got the exact same message yesterday.. deposited $270.. account was credited with bitcoin so I went ahead to bet and got the same message.. I only had to wait 2-3 minutes though.

[habitualwinning]

when you make a deposit that is large, it will take you a few mins to 'confirm' the deposit before you can bet.

just be patient.

I doubt that's it cause I've made larger deposits than this before and never had to wait for them to complete to bet on games. I'm still waiting and it's been over 2 hours now. Never had to wait before ever in 6 months of using them. They're literally waiting for my transaction to be completed before letting me bet. It might not complete until several hours from now based on how slow the blockchain is right now. All the other times I've bet there as soon as I clicked send from blockchain, I could literally refresh my Nitro account and the funds would show as unconfirmed and I could bet them. They would confirm during the games then payouts were just as quick. Something has changed.

[Sam Odom]

how many 'confirmations' has your transfer received ?

check blockchain

[habitualwinning]

I got the exact same message yesterday.. deposited $270.. account was credited with bitcoin so I went ahead to bet and got the same message.. I only had to wait 2-3 minutes though.

Okay thanks for the info. That confirms my suspicion then. Can SBR look into this with them and see if they changed their policy? Apparently now deposited must be confirmed before betting so no instant deposits anymore.

[jjgold]

good info

I will eventually play there

[habitualwinning]

how many 'confirmations' has your transfer received ?

check blockchain

It has 0, the blockchain is screwed up right not so it most likely won't complete until later tonight. That's irrelevant though because Nitro used to have instant deposits. The money is literally sitting in my Nitro account but they won't let me bet it. So evidently their policy changed. People in the chat are saying they're making them wait until transaction is completed before they can bet it now. It was never like that before and I've made 100's of bets with them.

[Sam Odom]

It has 0, the blockchain is screwed up right not so it most likely won't complete until later tonight. That's irrelevant though because Nitro used to have instant deposits.

may not be 100% irrelevant

but wish you the best

[habitualwinning]

may not be 100% irrelevant

but wish you the best

I've bet so many times before with 0 confirmations. Don't see why it's different now today. This sucks cause Nitrogen is one of my favorite books if not my favorite overall and I tell other people about them and how good/fast they are but then shit like this happens. If I was trying to get a payout right now I would 100% understand because the blockchain is slow and that's not on them. I'm not trying to get a payout though, I'm trying to bet it on a game. The money is literally just sitting in my account right now and they won't let me bet it on a game, even though I've done this same exact thing 100's of times before before the transaction was completed. Lol. Eh, nothing I can do about it but wait.

[gauchojake]

Wish I had seen this thread about 10 minutes ago

Fukk that is annoying.

[Sam Odom]

if blockchain is the problem cannot blame book , any btc book

easy to get 'phantom' deposits from the past until the blockchain is reset

[gauchojake]

Not blaming anyone...just annoying that I would have liked to place a wager on the game, can see my BTC sitting in the account yet cannot place a wager. It's the universe telling me something.

[habitualwinning]

if blockchain is the problem cannot blame book , any btc book

easy to get 'phantom' deposits from the past until the blockchain is reset

That doesn't make any sense cause you would still need the transaction completely confirmed before any payouts. So they have 0 liability to allow an unconfirmed deposit transaction already showing in account to bet on a game. Even if it was a scam you would never receive your payout. My problem with them is how they just switched their policy today without any notification. They should put a message on top at login, "all deposits must be confirmed before betting allowed." Cause it was never like this any time the past 6 months I've been using them. 100% books fault on this one. Everyone is pissed in the chat. A lot of people wanted some good NFL and NBA action tonight that can't get it cause book changed policy unbeknownst to any of us. A lot of people use Nitrogen as their last out for that one reason. You can make a deposit 5, 10 minutes before the game and still get your action in. Well now that they don't do instant deposits anymore, that's no longer the case. They're on the same level as other books that take hours to process deposits.

[Sam Odom]

jake , you may be blessed

[habitualwinning]

Not blaming anyone...just annoying that I would have liked to place a wager on the game, can see my BTC sitting in the account yet cannot place a wager. It's the universe telling me something.

It'll hit too since we're not on it. Never fails. Oh well if it makes you feel any better a lot of people got screwed, me included. Nitrogen is still my boy but damn letting me down today.

[SEAHAWKHARRY]

What was the bet on?

[Sam Odom]

I've bet so many times before with 0 confirmations.

Sammy has too... but today is not the 1st time they have not allowed it on sports.

have made a post or two about this in the past

Their casino has always (believe) wanted confirmations before play

[gauchojake]

jake , you may be blessed

Thank Sammy - I am and always do my best to remember that.

Harry the bet was on the Colts +1 +104

[gauchojake]

It'll hit too since we're not on it. Never fails. Oh well if it makes you feel any better a lot of people got screwed, me included. Nitrogen is still my boy but damn letting me down today.

haha no doubt. If It goes through and I bet at halftime I will lose. Guaranteed. I am just going to put my money back and think about my interest in betting with Nitrogen.

[gauchojake]

Or just bet at halftime on the Colts +.5

[habitualwinning]

Sammy has too... but today is not the 1st time they have not allowed it on sports.

have made a post or two about this in the past

Their casino has always (believe) wanted confirmations before play

I wasn't aware this has happened before, I must have missed your threads on it, my bad. This was the first time I've ever been effected by it out of hundreds of deposits and what an effect it had. I missed out on an easy couple grand, game wasn't even close. In all honesty these things average themselves out over time. I had one time on another book where my deposit was slow cause of blockchain being slow and the bet lost so it saved me there, it burned me this time. Law of averages. All is good. I still love Nitrogen. What's the rule of thumb concerning blockchain as to how many unconfirmed transactions slow it down? Is it like if there are more than 20K unconfirmed, it's safe to say that it's slow?

[habitualwinning]

I've noticed using this site as a reference https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions that if the numbers are above 30K unconfirmed that there is a significant delay. For example I made my deposit to Nitrogen about 3pm ct this afternoon, it just now completed on blockchain, so about 9 hours. During this time, I periodically checked that site and the numbers were consistently between 30K and 45K unconfirmed. On days where transactions take like 5 or 10 minutes to confirm, the numbers will be in the 10K unconfirmed range. Can anyone else corroborate this? I think what I'm going to do from now on, is never try to make a deposit or withdraw if the number is above 20K unconfirmed just to avoid the hassle. Hopefully they fix that problem this month that has apparently been slowing everything down.

[Optional]

^^^ 30-40k unconfirmed seems to be the point things slow down.

Nitro will require confirmations if the estimated clearance time of the transaction is above a certain level.

This can happen when the bitcoin network is bogged down.

Or security level may be stepped up if they detect concerted fraud attempts. (which is why your demands that they tell you about any change they might make is not reasonable)

If we want a book that takes unconfirmed deposits and can usually pay out instantly after a win, then we need to accept clever security is needed to keep them in business.

[habitualwinning]

^^^ 30-40k unconfirmed seems to be the point things slow down.

Nitro will require confirmations if the estimated clearance time of the transaction is above a certain level.

This can happen when the bitcoin network is bogged down.

Or security level may be stepped up if they detect concerted fraud attempts. (which is why your demands that they tell you about any change they might make is not reasonable)

If we want a book that takes unconfirmed deposits and can usually pay out instantly after a win, then we need to accept clever security is needed to keep them in business.

I understand now, thanks for the detailed explanation. This was my first time ever being effected by their security measures or whatever it's technically called in the industry when the blockchain is slow and they require confirmations on deposits. I never knew they did that. So is it safe to assume going forward that if there is a significant blockchain delay that deposits will NOT be instant on Nitrogen? It clearly states on the cashier page on Nitrogen, that all deposits are instant and all withdraws require a certain number of confirmations depending on the amount. That's why I was scratching my head wondering why they wouldn't let me bet my deposit on the game last night. Apparently they were having all sorts of problems yesterday. Idk exactly what happened but some people were losing it in the chat last night. Probably still my favorite book overall. 99% of the time super fast.