[jjgold]

Nobody going to drive two hours to make a few bets the gas money will cost more to get there

NJ screws all gambling up

Casinos going bankrupt are at the racetrack

Showboat in Atlantic City is closing in three months

It's allover for New Jersey

[Sam Odom]

JJ , why have you become a Negative Nelly ?

[jjgold]

What people forget about Las Vegas it's one of the most visited places in the world every year

New Jersey's just basically a ghetto

Will never flourish as far as sports betting not geographically in the right location

[SamDiamond]

JJ , why have you become a Negative Nelly ?

He/They have to.

The worst thing that could happen to Gold is Jersey getting sports betting and it working.

Because then everything starts to fall in the world of the off shores.

And that includes ad revenue for shit books, paid posters....paid mods. Gold is selling the company line. He's not dumb.

Suppose Jersey/Delaware/Pennsylvania pull off sports betting in the next 5 years...what fukking person in the right mind would send 300 bucks to a book in Costa Rica?

Who the fuk would do that?

I guess there are some people who will still enjoy driving to a W----U, or M---G office---- once to deposit, once to pick up...... or dealing/hoping a check from an offshore doesnt bounce.. yeah, those are always fun.

[jjgold]

NJ posters make up about one 100,000s of SBR

Son this is a worldwide site now not for NJ people

I live in New Jersey and know it be a waste and not run right

Also what happens when the NFL sues you the operator is going to run away

Sports betting is a very very small compared to casinos and drugs

Sammy you just don't get it

If there are not shops in at least 10 cities and 50 towns it will fail. Just like the AC casinos are failing

[Trident]

Will never flourish as far as sports betting not geographically in the right location

How far of drive from NYC to Monmouth Park?

[SamDiamond]

What people forget about Las Vegas it's one of the most visited places in the world every year

New Jersey's just basically a ghetto

Will never flourish as far as sports betting not geographically in the right location

It does NOT have to flourish in Jersey to be the end of offshores.

It just has to remain open.

That's the point you are intentionally avoiding.

If Jersey gets it....then Delaware....then Maryland.....then Pennsylvania.....then California, which is exactly how this will play out if Jersey manages to pull this off.

[SamDiamond]

If there are not shops in at least 10 cities and 50 towns it will fail. Just like the AC casinos are failing

You can't be this slow.

It is not about New Jersey.

It is about precedent.

It is about opening the doors.

All Jersey has to do is stay open. That's it. Then it is over. It will pass from state-state, very quickly.

[jjgold]

We will see Sammy

Do you realize Las Vegas it's one of the places that has the most bookies in the United States??

I agree most offshores will be gone 5 to 10 years from now regardless if sports betting is legal in the USA

Bookmaker and some other credit operations will always be around because their massive and credit is way better than postop

[SamDiamond]

How far of drive from NYC to Monmouth Park?

About 90 mins by car.

[jjgold]

90 minutes and I tough ride lots of lots of traffic

I live 60 miles from mom park and will not go because of the traffic

It's not right off the parkway which makes it a real hassle that and summer very hard to go on weekend because of shore traffic

They need it in a central location where all the money is like the New Jersey Meadowlands

Right across the way from New York City

Wouid have to be about a 10 million sports book with a massive complex then it could do okay

If it's just At racetracks with walk up windows amd a little TV what odds-on it will be a massive flop

[Sam Odom]

If/when California allows full casino gaming like in Vegas... Las Vegas will die in 3 yrs

[Art Vandeleigh]

Nobody going to drive two hours to make a few bets the gas money will cost more to get there

NJ screws all gambling up

Casinos going bankrupt are at the racetrack

Showboat in Atlantic City is closing in three months

It's allover for New Jersey

I think there's plenty of people who won't drive 2 hours to play bj or craps for $500, but will go to make a sports bet for $500 and then if they win will go play table games with the feeling they are playing with house money and can leave with 5k if they get on a roll.

[jjgold]

I would think they need them 30 miles apart from each state line from top to bottom

[BriGuy]

Exactly.

Colorado and Washington dared the Justice Department to stop them.

They didn't.

Colorado and Washington were emboldened when the Justice Department essentially announced in advance that they wouldn't prosecute that issue in those states.

Ultimately it will be up to the Obama Administration whether or not to enforce federal law. Eric Holder might make that decision or maybe Obama himself will set the policy. And it could potentially be a 2016 campaign issue, especially since the governor of NJ has presidential aspirations.

[BriGuy]

Nobody going to drive two hours to make a few bets the gas money will cost more to get there

This is an idiotic statement. I recently moved to San Fran and make the 3 hour trip to Reno quite regularly to bet on sports. Once football season starts, I will be up there every single weekend.

[Sam Odom]

State & Fed legislatures just love the idea of new taxes ... tax revenue will eventually be what pushes this over the finish line

[BriGuy]

It does NOT have to flourish in Jersey to be the end of offshores.

It just has to remain open.

That's the point you are intentionally avoiding.

If Jersey gets it....then Delaware....then Maryland.....then Pennsylvania.....then California, which is exactly how this will play out if Jersey manages to pull this off.

California won't do it. But I bet Arizona, New Mexico and Connecticut will all be right there in the immediate aftermath.

And don't even get me started on Delaware, whom we all know wants (real) sports gambling. If NJ does this, I wouldn't be surprised to see Delaware do it concurrently. THey actually have more infrastructure currently in place than NJ to start taking (real) sports bets.

In fact there are so many states that want this that I cannot understand why they don't just band together and overturn PASPA in Congress.

[SamDiamond]

Colorado and Washington were emboldened when the Justice Department essentially announced in advance that they wouldn't prosecute that issue in those states.

Ultimately it will be up to the Obama Administration whether or not to enforce federal law. Eric Holder might make that decision or maybe Obama himself will set the policy. And it could potentially be a 2016 campaign issue, especially since the governor of NJ has presidential aspirations.

New Jersey's idea came from the arguments AGAINST their action.

They got it FROM the Justice Department.

In their brief to the third circuit, the Justice Department, and I am paraphrasing here, said if Jersey wants sports betting so badly, they should just vote to de-criminalize it.

Then.. the 3rd Circruit in their judgement wrote this....“We do not see having no law in place governing sports wagering as authorizing it by law,”

Translated? The only thing PAPSA prohibits is the licensing, regulation and promotion of sports wagering by a government agency.

Not placing bets, or taking wagers.

[BriGuy]

It will be very interesting to see how far NJ takes this. If they start gambling, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever they will be immediately sued by the leagues and some federal judge will order an immediate cease-and-desist.

Then it becomes a question of who blinks first. Just because a federal judge orders them to cease-and-desist doesn't mean that they obey that order. So does Obama have the will (or the balls) to order a federal raid?

[BriGuy]

How do you think this idea of Jersey's came to be?

They got it FROM the Justice Department.

In their brief to the third circuit, the Justice Department, and I am paraphrasing here, said if Jersey wants sports betting so badly, they should just vote to de-criminalize it.

Then.. the 3rd Circruit in their judgement wrote this....“We do not see having no law in place governing sports wagering as authorizing it by law,”

Translated? The only thing PAPSA prohibits is the licensing, regulation and promotion of sports wagering by a government agency.

Yes I am aware, but most people saw this as New Jersey's plan from the get-go if they lost their appeals. They didn't "get the idea" from the 3rd Circuit, they were going to do this all along.

Hear me now and believe me later: That technicality won't save them when the leagues take Monmouth (or whomever) to court for a cease and desist. The $64,000 question is: What happens next?

[SamDiamond]

It will be very interesting to see how far NJ takes this. If they start gambling, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever they will be immediately sued by the leagues and some federal judge will order an immediate cease-and-desist.

Then it becomes a question of who blinks first. Just because a federal judge orders them to cease-and-desist doesn't mean that they obey that order. So does Obama have the will (or the balls) to order a federal raid?

I think Jersey wants the fight....and I think they will welcome the chance to get back in front of the 3rd Circuit.

If it means closing Monmouth for another 18 months in order to eventually get sports wagering, they'll do it.

Remember...they lost 2-1 at the 3rd Circuit Level.

One of those justices in the 2 person majority felt strongly enough that he laid the path for Jersey to get around PAPSA.

[BriGuy]

I think Jersey wants the fight....and I think they will welcome the chance to get back in front of the 3rd Circuit.

If it means closing Monmouth for another 18 months in order to eventually get sports wagering, they'll do it.

Remember...they lost 2-1 at the 3rd Circuit Level.

One of those justices in the 2 person majority felt strongly enough that he laid the path for Jersey to get around PAPSA.

I don't think they want to go to court again because they've lost in court every single step of the way -as has Delaware - and they'll lose if/when the leagues pursue a cease and desist. However, I do hope that they are willing to tell the feds to go f-themselves.

My one fear is Christie's resolve is starting to waver. 2 years ago, he was a man willing to fight the feds on this issue. Now he seems to think "well we tried but we lost so let's move on."

And before you state that the NJ Legislature has the votes to override a Christie veto..... while that's (likely) true, Christie could decide to enforce federal law. I doubt he would do that because he would look silly ordering a raid over an issue he himself has supported for several years, but there are a lot of politics in play beyond this simple issue. Furthermore, just because a pol voted for something doesn't mean they would go so far as to vote to override a veto. Christie is a powerful man with higher aspirations. He could pressure his political allies not to put him in the position of having to ignore a federal court order.

Believe me, no one wants sports gambling more than me. I will be moving back to that part of the country one day and I would love to have sports gambling ready waiting for me. I'm just talking about the many roadblocks in the way.

[captrobey]

Nice try Goldie.

Except for the fact that Jersey has not had a pitch to swing at yet.

Give them one week running a sportsbook before you judge/call them unsafe, deal?

I would love this i think the odds of a regular bookie screwing you are a lot higher (And i did get screwed once already years ago from a bookie for $4000) then if you go to AC . I wonder though what the limits would be at.

[Waterstpub87]

If it is online, it would be awesome. How am I going to drive the casino every day during baseball season? I would still be with 5dimes.

[jjgold]

If it is online, it would be awesome. How am I going to drive the casino every day during baseball season? I would still be with 5dimes.

true...it has to be online because that is the way of the world now..mobile and online

[BriGuy]

If it is online, it would be awesome. How am I going to drive the casino every day during baseball season? I would still be with 5dimes.

I think that would be pushing the envelope just a wee bit too far, at least for now. Besides, the lion's share of money will come from football. They aren't really going to sweat the lost baseball revenue at this stage of the game.

[Ralphie Halves]

Suppose Jersey/Delaware/Pennsylvania pull off sports betting in the next 5 years...what fukking person in the right mind would send 300 bucks to a book in Costa Rica?

Who the fuk would do that?

Definitely people who don't live near those states.

Probably still most people who do live in those states.

I live in Vegas, one mile away from a major book, and more of my betting is done offshore, for what it's worth. No having to drive over there, wait behind some tard, and have no other quick outs if the line moves. Between 5D, Bovada and the Cantor and Will Hill Apps, I've never had an issue depositing or collecting. Way better option IMO, even for somebody like me who is in an ideal spot geographically.

[JeffTheShark]

If there were legitimate sportsbooks in NJ, I would probably go. But they'd need to offer reasonable limits. I'll take a $100 2 hour flight to Jersey over a $300 4 hour flight to Vegas any day.

But it's going to take some time to legitimize probably, if it does happen at all.

[thechaoz]

I I would love to move but let's face it, Jersey is a dump.

What states let you play on international sites? Any? I know you can play with a small pool in delaware players

[rangerz2478]

He/They have to.

The worst thing that could happen to Gold is Jersey getting sports betting and it working.

Because then everything starts to fall in the world of the off shores.

And that includes ad revenue for shit books, paid posters....paid mods. Gold is selling the company line. He's not dumb.

Suppose Jersey/Delaware/Pennsylvania pull off sports betting in the next 5 years...what fukking person in the right mind would send 300 bucks to a book in Costa Rica?

Who the fuk would do that?

I guess there are some people who will still enjoy driving to a W----U, or M---G office---- once to deposit, once to pick up...... or dealing/hoping a check from an offshore doesnt bounce.. yeah, those are always fun.

Me.

I am mostly an ingame player, and casinos offer basically nothing in terms of ingame wagering. Offshores are lightyears ahead of what i saw in Vegas in terms of wagering options, and whatever nj books would offer would be even further behind than vegas. If you are the kind of guy looking to lay -110 on a straight bet, sure casino wagering is great. For futures/props/ingame players, offshore is the only way to go.

[floridagolfer]

I'd drive a thousand miles to place a bet at Monmouth Park before I open another offshore account.

[jjgold]

I do not think it will do as well because it will take at least 5-10 years to get it running and set up like big major sportsbooks in Vegas

Even getting it to online will be hard

if you do not bet $100 or more per game would not even be worth it to drive there because of tolls and gas

It just cannot be at a few racetracks..mostly every guy I know in Vegas uses offshore sportsbooks still

[SamDiamond]

I do not think it will do as well because it will take at least 5-10 years to get it running and set up like big major sportsbooks in Vegas

Even getting it to online will be hard

if you do not bet $100 or more per game would not even be worth it to drive there because of tolls and gas

It just cannot be at a few racetracks..mostly every guy I know in Vegas uses offshore sportsbooks still

First shift weekend JJ is a dumbass.

You think it will take 10 fukking years to "get it running"?

10. Fukking. Years.

[jjgold]

5-10 years to get it like Vegas might be better explanation meaning set ups, sports book rooms , etc

Like I said 80% of players that live in Vegas have offshore accounts also

Legal spots wagering DOES NOT entirely replace offshore accounts especially credit operations based in CR

If Pinnacle , Betfair and Matchbook were available to USA players nobody would ever even attempt to place a wager in a legal sports wagering state as those boos give you a massive advantage over the typical -110 player