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    New Jersey appeals to Supreme Court to over turn sports betting ban

    Update: SBR Interview with State Senator Lesniak







    ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) - New Jersey is swinging for the fences in a long-shot effort to overturn a federal ban on sports betting in all but four states, asking the U.S. Supreme Court to declare the ban unconstitutional.
    With a federal appeals panel ruling against the state, New Jersey is appealing to the nation's highest court to consider two legal questions: Does the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act usurp state authority, in violation of the 10th amendment? And does its granting permission to only four states to conduct sports betting violate the principal of equal sovereignty?
    The panel ruled New Jersey law allowing sports betting conflicts with the federal law, which limits sports betting to states that legalized it before a 1991 deadline - Delaware, Montana, Nevada, and Oregon. At the time, New Jersey was given the chance to become the fifth state but failed to act during a prescribed window.
    But New Jersey says in its appeal, filed Feb. 12, that the federal law is unconstitutional because it treats states differently.
    There is no guarantee the Supreme Court will even agree to hear the appeal. The state's best chances may be the way the federal law is written.
    No federal law directly prohibits individuals from betting on sports, the state argues. Rather, the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act makes it unlawful for a "governmental entity" to license or authorize sports wagering activity.
    "The ability of the states to convey a 'label of legitimacy' on private conduct lies at the heart of their retained sovereignty," the state appeal says. "Congress may express its own disapproval of sports wagering through direct regulation of the activity, but, having declined to enact any such direct regulation, has no authority to regulate the approval or disapproval expressed by the states."
    State Sen. Raymond Lesniak, a northern New Jersey Democrat who has been pushing to legalize sports betting in the state, has acknowledged the seemingly long odds but also says he likes the state's chances. He notes the Supreme Court has recently favored states' rights.
    "You can't win it unless you're in it," he said. "We're in it, and we're in it to win!
    A spokesman for Gov. Chris Christie, who has strongly supported the legalization of sports betting, declined comment Tuesday.
    The state is suing the four major professional sports leagues, which support the existing ban.
    Major League Baseball, the National Football league, the National Basketball Association and the National Hockey League, along with the National Collegiate Athletic Association, say the perception of the games' integrity might be compromised by state-sanctioned betting on them. The U.S. Justice department joined the litigation on the side of the sports leagues.
    In a non-binding referendum in 2011, New Jerseyans said they wanted to see legal sports betting in their state. Sports betting proponents say it would help Atlantic City's 11 casinos and the state's four racetracks - the Meadowlands in East Rutherford, Monmouth Park in Oceanport, Freehold Raceway and Atlantic City Race Course in Mays Landing.
    They say legal sports betting also would provide a new source of revenue from a huge pool of money that now flows untaxed to unlicensed offshore Internet sites or to illegal bookmakers, many of whom are allied with organized crime.
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    Be nice to have a place close by where there's no waiting for payouts. When I was in Aruba it was great. Walk from the Hyatt on hotel over to the occidental place a 1000$ wager on Seahawks ML. Bet another 100$ on the same thing. Show the wife the second ticket. After game was over walk over and collect and hit the casino. Love that fukking place. Saw the RemDog too

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    jersey will over take vegas as the gambling mecca if the get sports wagering, 100x's more degens, street guys, wise guys on the east coast...fact

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    I used to think Jersey was going to win this case.

    Now. Not so much.

    The odds of the Supreme Court even taking the case are less than 5%.

    I still can't believe they didn't get a full hearing with the 3rd Circuit Court.

    Lobby/money lined up against Jersey on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep View Post
    jersey will over take vegas as the gambling mecca if the get sports wagering, 100x's more degens, street guys, wise guys on the east coast...fact
    If Jersey wins--- it won't be just Jersey that wins.

    California, New York, Washington, Oregon--- all would roll out sports wagering.

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    New Jersey is not winning

    Sports betting will only be in Las Vegas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doughboy22 View Post
    Be nice to have a place close by where there's no waiting for payouts. When I was in Aruba it was great. Walk from the Hyatt on hotel over to the occidental place a 1000$ wager on Seahawks ML. Bet another 100$ on the same thing. Show the wife the second ticket. After game was over walk over and collect and hit the casino. Love that fukking place. Saw the RemDog too
    Hahahaha classic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep View Post
    jersey will over take vegas as the gambling mecca if the get sports wagering, 100x's more degens, street guys, wise guys on the east coast...fact
    In terms of east coast gambling, maybe. But in terms of being as nice as vegas it'll never be in the same category.

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    "legal in all but four states"

    which four states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by z-doggie View Post
    "legal in all but four states"

    which four states?
    Nevada, Montana, Delaware, and Oregon. Montana, Oregon, and Delaware can only offer parlay tickets.

    Here's the thing. Jersey had their chance-- but they were too stupid to realize what they had.

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    Nj a bad run state

    Get out if you can

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    sooner or later sports betting will be legal -- i will be dead a while first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamDiamond View Post
    Here's the thing. Jersey had their chance-- but they were too stupid to realize what they had.
    but at the time, the State had plenty of money, and a kunt of a conservative governor in office-Christine Whitman

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruceBRUCEbruce View Post
    but at the time, the State had plenty of money, and a kunt of a conservative governor in office-Christine Whitman
    True-- but you have to be able to look down the road.

    Even back then--- there were rumblings about Pennsylvania and casinos, Maryland-- and New York.

    They didn't have to approve it then-- but they should have been smart enough to realize that being part of the landscape back then and being grandfather'd in would have been the smartest thing to do.

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    I thought Bill Bradley knocked it down at the time

    Could be wrong though

    Nj would be thriving if it was legal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I thought Bill Bradley knocked it down at the time

    Could be wrong though

    Nj would be thriving if it was legal
    Day shift Goldie is right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/11/20/ny...er-sports.html

    It was Bradley who killed it.

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    Sammy I am not as dumb as I look


    Meadowlands would be jammed of casino and sports betting were legal

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    naw, it was Whitman and crew in NJ who made the ultimate decision
    than Bradley bill was to end ALL SPORTS GAMBLING, which was obviously unsuccessful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweep View Post
    jersey will over take vegas as the gambling mecca if the get sports wagering, 100x's more degens, street guys, wise guys on the east coast...fact
    Great thread JJ

    I agree east coast has way more degens and the entire landscape of AC will improve dramatically if they allow sports betting. Only negative is if they win NY and Philly may follow suit. As far as overtaking vegas I don't think its possible they are too far behind at this point. I agree if they did this 20 years ago vegas and AC would be vastly different then they are today.

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    Yeh I do not think anyone can ever dent Las Vegas

    Its just too big and too well set up

    The Times Square of gambling

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    I think one of the major reason it is where it is now is because the NFL wouldn't allow it to pass cause of the Super Bowl good chance it gets passed now wishful think on my part

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    Sportsbetting will never be legal anywhere but NJ unless Federal Gov't changes the law and that is not happening, the sports leagues and Vegas have way too much money and power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Sportsbetting will never be legal anywhere but NJ unless Federal Gov't changes the law and that is not happening, the sports leagues and Vegas have way too much money and power.
    not necessarily true.
    marijuana is illegal on a federal level, and we all know what's going on out west
    the equivalent to the sports leagues here would be the alcohol, pharmy, and tobacco lobbys that are just as powerful

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    bruce are you a lawyer and a poker player?

    bruce are you from 2+2?

    it seems like i remember this name from somewhere else

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    Quote Originally Posted by RudyRuetigger View Post
    bruce are you a lawyer and a poker player?

    bruce are you from 2+2?

    it seems like i remember this name from somewhere else
    I have a law degree, but don't practice, and am not a poker player, sorry

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    Supreme Court will decide whether to hear this case or not Monday [NJ's appeal].

    NJ Senator Ray Lesniak said today that New Jersey is prepared to move forward regardless ala the states that have legalized marijuana even though a federal law says that drug is illegal. Lesniak stated emphatically that there will be sports wagering in NJ by football season.

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    Not going to happen

    All talk

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    I just don't get how the state of Nevada allows sports gambling, but no other state does?

    How is this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doughboy22 View Post
    Be nice to have a place close by where there's no waiting for payouts. When I was in Aruba it was great. Walk from the Hyatt on hotel over to the occidental place a 1000$ wager on Seahawks ML. Bet another 100$ on the same thing. Show the wife the second ticket. After game was over walk over and collect and hit the casino. Love that fukking place. Saw the RemDog too
    LMAOOOOO st showing only the 2nd ticket. Thats the stuff I do. Pounded every uconn game when they won the tourney with kemba walker. Put 1000 on each game all the way through and they were dogs in everyone. Showed a ticket for 100 everytime only

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