[mh217]

these fukers are gettintg crazy with the juice...anyone that plays here knows exactly what im talking about..they won't move the line anymore only the money...its getting pretty disgusting when you look at the menu for halftime bets or 1st half bets and its full of stuff at -140, -135, -130...i mean they are being really slick with this..if you are trying to bet to win a nickel or a dime you tend to shy away or change your mind off of your original plays cause who wants to lay $1400 to win a dime on a second half cbb game...is this happening everywhere else as well??

[jjgold]

Most books doing this now

They are scared and actually do not want the action

Asians really do it a lost as does Pinnacle

[FourLengthsClear]

It is becoming more common, yes. The mindset of "wanting to win a nickel" needs to adjust along with what the books are doing.

If it's a good play, it's a good play - don't let the juice scare you off it.

[stevenash]

If it's a good play, it's a good play - don't let the juice scare you off it.

Exactly.

Dude, your posts are consistently solid.

[Walter Abrams]

Do they pay at least on time?

[Cookie Monster]

I remember a funny post a good while ago...

I have memorized the whole decimal odds table. For example, I know that the opposite odds to 1.2 is 6 and the opposite odds to 1.77 is 2.3. Can one make such conversions just as easily with American odds?

[jjgold]

I guess books know the mindset of the average player

I scared me off a 1st half live bet the other night, juiced it to -50 and I backed off and it won

[Casperwaits]

Do they pay at least on time?

Yes they do.

[Emily_Haines]

just another one of the many reasons heritage is not a top rated book

wait until you hit a few of these and they cut your limit down to 100

[jjgold]

There must be something to it If they keep juicing

Even in nfl they do it

[Emily_Haines]

it's also so much fun when you are able to isolate a good 2H bet and finally the odds pop up at heritage.

you bet, but because you got a nice 30 second delay on your account......................you can't get the bet accepted until the line turns to shit.

heritage is the worst book for people who take betting sports serious.

Yeah, if you want to play NFL sides 10 minutes before kick off and bet all the marquee TV games. They going to love you and give you some perks. But that is because you're betting games impossible to beat.

[unluckysob]

Do not like 15 cent juice on team totals.

[Emily_Haines]

Do not like 15 cent juice on team totals.

That's pretty much standard

5dimes has them at 10 cents

[d2bets]

As long as its a 20 cent or less line then what's the difference? I mean if it's -135/+115 is that really more squeezing than -110/-110? Not really. Just different. It's another option. That's why you gotta use multiple outs.

[durito]

As long as its a 20 cent or less line then what's the difference? I mean if it's -135/+115 is that really more squeezing than -110/-110? Not really. Just different. It's another option. That's why you gotta use multiple outs.

-135/+115 is less juice than -110/-110 but don´t tell these idiots that

[Optional]

-135/+115 is less juice than -110/-110 but don´t tell these idiots that

Explain please Durito?

[ProfaneReality]

They are just copying pinny lines... any pinny halftime line thats -119 is going to be -125 at heritage.. its very predictable.

[d2bets]

Explain please Durito?

The theoretical hold is only around 3.957% vs. 4.762%. That's the reason you don't see books posting 20 cents for a +280/-300 ML. The 20 cents juice is not nearly as impactful at those higher levels as opposed to -110.

[blackbox]

Playing offshore is going straight to the bottom-the industry is as bad as I have seen-go to Nevada. And for horses TVG OR XPRESS bet. To heck with these crazy lines-rollovers and the hassle of payment. Just my solution.

[mh217]

obviously i understand everything everyone wrote here..it just sickens me when i like a play at halftime and before i can even confirm the bet its moved to a -130 or some nonsense..most of the time i will play it regardless if i think its a winner but as we all know these 2nd halfs very often come down to a point or a half point..thats when you start messing up your head overanalyzing the play since you know this and you ask yourself damn do i really want to get burned by a half point and meanwhile this line is now at -140..lol..so its ****** in my opinion...used to be they moved the juice rarely and usually the line..now its the exact opposite and if you are betting real money a couple of half point burns will negate a lot of profit..the only solution i can think of is to call up as soon as that game goes into the half and be like ok i'll hold if the line isnt up yet and be prepared to make a snap decision play.

[jjgold]

Booking is corporate now
Tough to beat them

[mh217]

well there is one way you can try..you see they are trying to kill it with juice now..so wait until the lines get juiced to -135 or -140 and consistently take the dog....probably will beat em at their own game, cause im sure in the long run the plus money will win out.

[Emily_Haines]

well there is one way you can try..you see they are trying to kill it with juice now..so wait until the lines get juiced to -135 or -140 and consistently take the dog....probably will beat em at their own game, cause im sure in the long run the plus money will win out.

One of these days some one will get it and put in a drop down box so you can pick the spread and juice you want. The first book to do this will get lot's of business while other crappy books like heritage will just go away.

[Sunde91]

5dimes is a must for 2nd half. best options on the planet

while heritage would only hang a -4.5 -135, 5D would allow you to adjust to their -4.5 -125 to -6 -110, or -6.5 -102. something to that effect. Could go beyond and take -7 +110

[DrStale]

Explain please Durito?

Good luck with that. Durito only shows up in players talk to tell you how much smarter he is than you then laugh and leave.

[RonPaul2008]

One of these days some one will get it and put in a drop down box so you can pick the spread and juice you want. The first book to do this will get lot's of business while other crappy books like heritage will just go away.

5dimes already does this for some games.

[jjgold]

I should call them and say we are unhappy

[Emily_Haines]

I should call them and say we are unhappy

Let them know that I think they suck. I'd be glad to be part of the call and drop the hammer on them.

[Emily_Haines]

Fri 12/2	851	La Sierra	+11½ +115		Over 64 -145
2:00PM (PST)	852	North Texas	-11½ -135		Under 64 +125

[Emily_Haines]

Oh, how nice of them to move the total a point and still fuk you on the juice.

Fri 12/2	851	La Sierra	+11½ +115		Over 65 -125
2:00PM (PST)	852	North Texas	-11½ -135		Under 65 +105

[Emily_Haines]

Honestly I'm getting so angry with this book and their garbage giving serious thoughts to turning them into the FBI.

[Emily_Haines]

Not one time on the hot side of a game are you give a fair line from Heritage.

Nobody should be betting here period.

12/02/11 03:29:27pm 66½ Over -125 Under +105
12/02/11 03:27:59pm 66½ Over -120 Under +100
12/02/11 03:22:34pm 66 Over -120 Under +100
12/02/11 03:18:53pm 65 Over -125 Under +105
12/02/11 03:18:42pm 64½ Over -120 Under +100
12/02/11 03:18:18pm 64 Over -145 Under +125
12/02/11 03:17:53pm 64½ Over -120 Under +100
12/02/11 03:17:42pm 64 Over -145 Under +125
12/02/11 03:16:44pm 64 Over -135 Under +115
12/02/11 02:56:05pm 64 Over -125 Under +105
12/02/11 02:37:54pm 64 Over -120 Under +100
12/02/11 11:17:31am 64

[mh217]

off topic but im miraculously up $1968 in horses at heritage today!..just had to share that cause its so hard to win at horses...looks like i might be able to afford their extra juice tonight..lol

[jgilmartin]

***** sake some of you guys really need to learn what implied probability is.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/betting-tools/odds-converter/

[cloverfield]

Honestly I'm getting so angry with this book and their garbage giving serious thoughts to turning them into the FBI.

you seem like a very nice person...I'm sure Heritage will desperately regret losing you as a client. 57.3% of your posts are negative Heritage threads about having low limits due to betting steam.