1. 05-29-11 08:26 AM #1
    thisisit
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    Is 8x rollover good for 100% bonus?

    VIP is doing 100% bonus is 8X rollover for that good? I would think it is, but just want to hear peoples opinions.
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  2. 05-29-11 08:28 AM #2
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    No.
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  3. 05-29-11 08:33 AM #3
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    Can you explain why. what would be optimal rollover
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  4. 05-29-11 08:37 AM #4
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    It depends on the other terms, if a 8x rollover for a 100% bonus is good - or not.

    For example if the bonus has "stake or winnings - only the lower counts in the rollover" rule, or only bets on even odds or bigger counts in the rollover - that makes the bonus less usable...
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  5. 05-29-11 08:40 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by thisisit View Post
    Can you explain why. what would be optimal rollover

    None in my opinion. you are going to have to bet that amount 8 times before you can withdraw your money.
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  6. 05-29-11 08:57 AM #6
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    it's a good bonus, but the question you have to ask is why are they offering 100% bonus...
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  7. 05-29-11 08:58 AM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by WeinketoWarrick View Post
    it's a good bonus, but the question you have to ask is why are they offering 100% bonus...


    are they going to be around in a week?
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  8. 05-29-11 09:26 AM #8
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    For the average 50% bettor, at the $1600 rollover mark you will lose $80, meaning the bonus value is +$20. Its a good bonus, but not sure if VIP is the next Betfled or not.
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  9. 05-29-11 09:41 AM #9
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    they give you credit with rollover on horse bts...that is good...some or most don't do that
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  10. 05-29-11 10:05 AM #10
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    just speaking for me, rollovers of any kind have been bad.. changes my outlook and strategy.
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  11. 05-29-11 11:02 AM #11
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    100% bonus is a joke, even if 2x rollover!!
    Stay away!
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  12. 05-29-11 11:07 AM #12
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    it depends. Put it this way, if you are gonna cash out anything worth while, then you will kill the rollover by more than the requirement. Almost always. If you deposit 500, I doubt you will cash out 600 or thereabouts. Not saying you should take ANY bonus necessarily but if you deposited 500 and lost it, then the 100% bonus might look pretty good.

    just as many guys cash out using bonuses as those that decline them.

    Good luck!
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  13. 05-29-11 11:07 AM #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by styck View Post
    100% bonus is a joke, even if 2x rollover!!
    Stay away!
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  14. 05-29-11 12:19 PM #14
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    Well yea you get actually more rollover points from horses than sports betting, and the casino games all count too.
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  15. 05-29-11 04:04 PM #15
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    Depends. Ive been offered some with 2x rollover, and on others its reached anywhere from 20-40x rollover. I think anywhere between 5-10x rollover is pretty standard.
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  16. 05-29-11 08:04 PM #16
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    i'm waiting till football season before i reload anywhere... going to let everything settle down after this last week.
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  17. 05-29-11 08:09 PM #17
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    Forget the rollover, just the fact that they are giving 100% bonus in the current environment is a red flag.
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  18. 05-29-11 08:18 PM #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    Forget the rollover, just the fact that they are giving 100% bonus in the current environment is a red flag.
    you can't say that. re the red flag. Some books offer certain bonuses to general new or old players. They can also offer different bonuses to long time customers with a track record or history and thus can offer higher than advertized bonuses.

    Basically, there isn't a simple yes or no answer imo and I have been in the business for almost 10 tears.

    Just sayin'
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  19. 05-29-11 09:48 PM #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by styck View Post
    100% bonus is a joke, even if 2x rollover!!
    Stay away!
    Whatcha talkin bout Willis? What do you want 0 as in ZERO rollover? lol Then no one would even bet, just deposit and immediately withdrawal all the money. LOL
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  20. 05-29-11 09:49 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by styck View Post
    100% bonus is a joke, even if 2x rollover!!
    Stay away!
    And if you say you think it should be a 1x rollover, then everyone would just bet both sides of the same game, then cashout. LOL
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  21. 05-29-11 10:18 PM #21
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    8X is brutal. i hate having rollovers cuz i sometimes force plays i normally wouldn't play. books know this and take advantage of it.
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  22. 05-30-11 07:02 AM #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixxer View Post
    It depends on the other terms, if a 8x rollover for a 100% bonus is good - or not.

    For example if the bonus has "stake or winnings - only the lower counts in the rollover" rule, or only bets on even odds or bigger counts in the rollover - that makes the bonus less usable...
    Quote Originally Posted by valaub04 View Post
    just speaking for me, rollovers of any kind have been bad.. changes my outlook and strategy.
    Quote Originally Posted by the_situation View Post
    8X is brutal. i hate having rollovers cuz i sometimes force plays i normally wouldn't play. books know this and take advantage of it.
    To all of you, I ask Why? There is usually no time limit to how long you have to use the rollover. Just betting like I normally do, I could probably go through an 8x rollover in 2-3 weeks.
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  23. 05-30-11 07:07 AM #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by DwightShrute View Post
    you can't say that. re the red flag. Some books offer certain bonuses to general new or old players. They can also offer different bonuses to long time customers with a track record or history and thus can offer higher than advertized bonuses.

    Basically, there isn't a simple yes or no answer imo and I have been in the business for almost 10 tears.

    Just sayin'
    You missed my key phrase "in this environment". It is the timing that is dubious, as any 100% bonus at this time will be seen as a desperate attempt to reel in more money with the real possibility of sites pulling a BetEd.
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  24. 05-30-11 07:09 AM #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoweRay View Post
    Whatcha talkin bout Willis? What do you want 0 as in ZERO rollover? lol Then no one would even bet, just deposit and immediately withdrawal all the money. LOL
    You missed his point, he is saying that the rollover doesn't matter, it is the 100% bonus in itself that is a joke.
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  25. 05-30-11 09:09 AM #25
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    Yea don't know if I am gonna take them up on this. It ends today, but might wait to see how things shake out offshore.
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  26. 05-30-11 09:23 AM #26
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    u can busto the roll at the book that u just deposited at and robusto ur main book
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  27. 05-30-11 09:37 AM #27
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    100%bonus with 8times rollover is no good .they may be going down ...dont risk your cash.
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  28. 05-30-11 10:31 AM #28
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    You have to be so careful to read all the terms these days with 100% bonuses.One curve ball is that you might have to play the winnings from the free play 8X.In my opinion,you always have to use free play on really big underdog runlines and moneylines where they allow you to place 4 leg parlay bets.I always take the underdog at let's say +200 moneyline or more and then use the total on the same game.Bet the minimum $5 and that way when you win you only sacrifice the $5 free play that doesn't go into your account.
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  29. 05-30-11 10:41 AM #29
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    You could make a fortune on a 100% bonus with an 8X rollover if you had Neteller, Matchbook and dozens of books offering this and they were 100% certain to pay. You try to lose at the bonus book and win at Matchbook by betting both sides and short-circuiting the 8X rollover. Sometimes you will run up a big balance at the bonus book.

    The offer is solid and should have a small limit attached to it (like $300 or less) beware of high limits on these offers. I see no reason not to take this offer....even if you just bet normally and roll it 8X.
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  30. 05-30-11 10:45 AM #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug View Post
    You could make a fortune on a 100% bonus with an 8X rollover if you had Neteller, Matchbook and dozens of books offering this and they were 100% certain to pay. You try to lose at the bonus book and win at Matchbook by betting both sides and short-circuiting the 8X rollover. Sometimes you will run up a big balance at the bonus book. The offer is solid and should have a small limit attached to it (like $300 or less) beware of high limits on these offers. I see no reason not to take this offer....even if you just bet normally and roll it 8X.
    The offer is up to $500 as it always is.
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  31. 05-30-11 10:56 AM #31
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    Have you looked at the rules at VIP? I did one at their sister book nine.com and realized after accepting it that the rollover is calculated in points not dollar bet... You only generate 1/2 the points for the dollars you wager (5 points for every $10) so might be looking at bonus with twice the rollover you are expecting...

    But, as a general rule, if a bonus isn't going to require changing how you bet you should always accept one if offered...
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  32. 05-30-11 11:04 AM #32
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    Where did u see this bonus? sounds good to me
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  33. 05-30-11 11:06 AM #33
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    8X roll over sounds good not sure about that book but thats a nice promo
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  34. 05-30-11 11:18 AM #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by valaub04 View Post
    just speaking for me, rollovers of any kind have been bad.. changes my outlook and strategy.
    this. it definitely affects my mindset.
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  35. 05-30-11 11:41 AM #35
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    That is why it is 8x rollover since you get half of whatever you bet in rollover points
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