[topgame85]

This seems to be the fundamental question in many, many disputes. The books, and apparently SBR, believe you can not ever have an edge that results in long term profits or else you are not entitled to payment. In reality any line or casino game offered by a sportsbook or casino that allows the player to win long term is "erroneous" as they are a biz in biz to make money off of players losing money and as such any ability for the player to continue winning is an error by someone in the book or casino. So in reality what they are saying is bad line, input error, shitty linesman, act of God, whatever it may be you are going to have to be a losing player eventually or else they reserve the right to take your funds based on the premise "you should not have an edge or win or else you are a shot taker". Only the book is allowed to be the shot taker it appears as they always have the edge. Gambling, to most serious players, is the purchase of a product/investment instrument that they believe will yield a favorable outcome or +ev long term. The price being offered is accepted when a player makes a wager and the person who offers the price is responsible for what they put on the market. As stated by another poster in one of the many threads the question is are peoplle who take up any company on an offer in which said company loses money a shot taker? I got a free $15 coupon to a restaurant that I won't spend more than $20 at which will result in them losing money should they make me vomit my food back up and give it back? If that is what they are saying, which it is clear they are, nobody would even try to gamble because winning over time is unacceptable. The book needs to also be "gambling" when they offer a game or price or else the whole thing goes out the window and the book goes under and players move to other hobbies/investments. Basically they want you to lose, they need you to lose, they expect you to lose, and one way or another you will lose. The only "winners" allowed are people who through their play exhibit the trait of a longterm loser who they know will give it all back even if they win today. You can not be considered a serious sportsbook or casino if you can't allow anyone to take you up on your "offer" without having to wonder if the price you put is what you meant it to be. An A+ book or even a B book should not be son concerned about 32k that they are willing to lose any reputation they may have to save a few $. You made the mistake on multiple occasions specifically-1. Having known holes in your casino and not looking at it closely and correcting it. 2.- posting the bad game TB hit hard 3.- Having zero class in your management to approach the issue with an open mind rather than tunnel vision 4.- Refusing to any "real" arbitration, as lets not get confused here the final word was Tony's not SBR's 5.- making the final decision not to pay. You are now at the level of Oddsmaker.com.

My how the might have fallen

[roanildinho]

Pinnacle will pay and so will thegreek. also if you make 5k of 5d every yaer ul be just fine son

[trumpdown]

I agree although you may want to break up them paragraphs.

[Hareeba!]

You shouldn't go confusing gaming and wagering products. You can't expect to win at gaming but skilled players can and do at wagering.

Gaming is a pure chance medium which casinos offer and other than when putting up special promo. offers will never be a +EV unless an error has been made. Not something one can expect to win at and not indulged in by serious pros.

Wagering on sporting contests is different. There is no mathematically demonstrable probability of any outcome. It's an opinion game and offers players a genuine chance of winning if they are sufficiently skilled. It would be an obvious error however if a bookie were to put up odds in excess of 100% or transposed their odds so that they had every other bookies' favourite as the dog. In both cases they are entitled to claim error and void bets.

And then there are arbers who attempt to bet both sides of a contest and make a few pennies on their trades. Bookies don't like and most will try cut these guys off.

You're right though that there are lots of bookies out there (including all the Euros) who don't tolerate skilled punters and don't deserve to be regarded as members of the ancient and noble trade of bookmaking. They are no more bookmakers than arbers are punters.

Fortunately for those in the free world however there remain enough good places for genuine punters to survive and not be booted.