[gojetsgomoxies]

even if a tout is moderate winner, is anyone really making enough money off those picks to justify pay for that service?

i'd probably want 5x $$$win to money paid to touts ratio.....

it just doesn't seem economic idea at -110 (or equivalent moneyline juice)...... and so much good info out there for free. basic info and informed opinions.

[PD77]

donaghy was mostly giving out INFO about injuries... if you watch "inside game" or listen to interviews, he makes some good points about never making an incorrect call or "fixing games".

evidence points to him pretty much calling it down the middle, in fact in quite a few games where he had action, he called way more fouls on the team he was on

From what I recall it was mostly totals and there is solid proof he influenced the games. After he was caught the NBA made it go away. I was astounded how fast this story was pushed under the rug because it was a HUGE black eye for the NBA, yet people let it go. The funniest part to me is he had the balls to come back as a tout.

[harthebar]

1. Adam Meyer - So wanted to be the face of sports gambling. He even bought billboards behind home plate of Major League Baseball games and flashed betting tickets of over 100K. No one could figure out where all the money came from. Drugs and multiple arrests over a decade were a tip off but then when he finally went down the rest of the story came out. He scammed a fish out of Wisconsin for an astounding 35 million dollars and threatened to kill the mark until the mark paid another 10 million, (45 million total). He's currently in jail until 2022 serving an 8 year sentence.
What did Meyer have in common with every other big time scammer? He lasted less than 1 year in college at the University of Miami until he flunked out and also had a felony conviction by his mid 20's. If you can't even do basic math your not going to win betting sports. That's the fact Jack!

2. Robert Gorodetsky - Seemed like a big time high roller when he rolled into Las Vegas with his posse, a financial advisor, a pickup artist and an enforcer. His walked around town almost always wearing a hat with the word, "GAMBLR"on it. In reality he should have worn one that said "SCAMMER" or "LOSER" on it. Anyone with half a brain figured him out to be a fraud when he claimed to pick games out based on gut instinct and claimed winning 65% of his wagers. Another in the line of big time scammers he found a mark who he took for 9.6 million. Who knows who else he took as most people don't complain unless the loss is in the millions. He lasted less than a semester at the University of Arizona until he failed out. He's facing upwards of 20 plus years in jail. He pleaded guilty two days ago and it appears likely he'll get a sentence in range of 5-7 years. Don't drop the soap in prison Rob!

3. Dave Oancea / Better know as It's Vegas Dave - Another college drop out, this one courtesy of Michigan State. Possibly the most dangerous still out there not in jail or currently headed that way. It seems very possibly that he'll get arrested for fraud in the near future. This guy is real dangerous as he can go 1-14 on a daily card for his clients and claim he had a winning day. He has a solid presence on Instagram but Twitter folks seem to have figured him out. From the fake engagement to Holly Sonders, sitting courtside at LA Laker games, walking around with woman's purses, leased high end cars and staying at a Cabo mansion it all ads up to a shell game about to come down with a thud. He has a penchant for giving out -300 to -900 ML favorites his clients can go bust in just a matter of days. A law firm in Las Vegas is on twitter looking for people who got scammed by him and the Feds have to have a long list of complaints and have to be close to indicting him. When your as high profile as he is and there are so many victims it's just a matter of time until you go down. He already has a felony conviction for using fake social security numbers and numerous other arrests from drug possession to a domestic battery charge. What will the headline be when he gets indicted? Possibly, "Midget Purse Wearing Sports Scammer Indicted".

4. Brandon Link / Lang - He's the only handicapper on the list who hasn't gone to jail or is going to jail but he has to be high on the list because he's been lying / scamming for over 15 years. After getting tossed from the Navy, like all the others on the list he enrolled in a few classes at UNLV and couldn't hack it. He claims Jerry Tarkanian asked him during the running Rebels great run to try out as a walk on and it would have happened if he didn't hurt his knee. Yea, right Brandon! He buys points like a kid buys candy at a 7-11. His reasoning on why he picks teams to cover is why people shouldn't follow this guy. There is no sound reasoning whatsoever. His Super Bowl record is completely made up. Stu Feiner admits he came up with the pitch when he was working in his boiler room that Lang was 12-0 in the big game.He's on a streak of losing 5 straight months and 15 straight years. I'd guess that 98% of his stories are made up and 98% of the people buying his picks are fading him.

5. Darin Notaro / Steve Stevens - Runs a telemarketing room in Las Vegas. He couldn't hack college so he started off scamming the elderly in a boiler room selling anything from pens to calling people and telling them they won a new car. He already was on probation for five felonies when he got popped 20 years ago for scamming retired people out of $234,000.00. He pleaded guilty and served a year in the federal slammer. The guy has the gambling brain of a pea. He plays 95% favorites and tells clients for example in football to buy the line up from 18.5 to 19 points. One of the worst handicappers I have ever followed but his games are rarely available. If he spends more than 5 minutes looking at a newspaper deciding on games it's too much. It's amazing he hasn't gotten popped with all the lies he tells clients to get them to send money for his worthless picks.

6. Kris Barr- Not as widely known as the others because he gets banned from twitter quicker than people change their underwear but he belongs on the list. Plays favorites and ML favorites almost exclusively. He couldn't name 5 players in college basketball. He just goes with teams he's familiar with and makes up records. Listen to a 30 minute football podcast and you wonder what rock did this lowlife crawl out from up under. A few years back he claimed to get fixed games from a MLB player named Jeff Locke. He grew up playing little league baseball with the MLB player and got pissed when Locke wouldn't acknowledge him when he contacted him via social media. When MLB came calling he cried like a baby to their investigators admitting he made the whole scheme up. What is crazy is Barr is actually proud of this episode in his life. I don't get that one at all but then again who can understand a guy that is a known pathological liar. On the rare occasion he gives out a free game on social media it's almost always a loser. He is always claiming to be 10-1 or 18-2 but whenever someone signs up with him they usually start losing immediately and he asks for more money. He probably couldn't spell college let alone pass a basket weaving class in college. He has served time in the state slammer for numerous offenses.

The link between all 6 of the biggest scammers / handicappers is they couldn't last even 1 year in college. They all so wanted to prove they were relevant because they failed for family & friends at a young age. This led them to break the law and commit fraud and or other offenses and 5 of the 6 are convicted felons in jail, going to jail or just a stones throw away from going back to jail. Do your homework people. If the claims by these or other handicappers sound too good to be true they probably are and they are just waiting to scam you.

Is that all true.

[milwaukee mike]

From what I recall it was mostly totals and there is solid proof he influenced the games. After he was caught the NBA made it go away. I was astounded how fast this story was pushed under the rug because it was a HUGE black eye for the NBA, yet people let it go. The funniest part to me is he had the balls to come back as a tout.

it's an interesting debate... not a single other referee ever complained about him, state of arizona was thinking of going after him but they found no solid proof of bad calls.

you're right though, the nba hides stuff like jordan being suspended for 2 years for gambling. unless we believe the story that the #1 athlete in the world just wanted to give up in his prime to play minor league baseball

[pologq]

great post, thanks for writing

a lot of sites offer "free picks" for transparency but save the big games and such for purchase

i get free dollars at wagertalk just for signing up and never purchasing anything except using the free "wagerbucks". sometimes they hit and sometimes they don't. no reason to pay these guys and cut into my profits with what i have to pay them when their results are the same as mine. they spin their picks to always sound better than they are as well.

"Johnny RipYouOff is 10-1 in his last Tuesday games where the moon is 85% full and the home team is coming off 3 losses to teams west of the Mississippi. This is guaranteed!!!"

...then when they lose its always, "Gosh darnit, can't Win everytime. You would still make money long term with my winning percentage. Blah Blah Blah."

[StackinGreen]

Sarni deserves a lot of credit for this. Very entertaining. I missed it earlier due to the lack of any real action going on at the time.

[carolinakid]

most of the top ran boilers type of rooms

[ThaTopMoron]

From what I recall it was mostly totals and there is solid proof he influenced the games. After he was caught the NBA made it go away. I was astounded how fast this story was pushed under the rug because it was a HUGE black eye for the NBA, yet people let it go. The funniest part to me is he had the balls to come back as a tout.

why do you think NFL commish tried to get spygate to go away as quickly as possible... they found a treasure trove of videos and destroyed them before anyone/media could take a look and let people decide for themselves how bad it was

then the "punishments" came and were laughable

[dimaggio8]

1. Adam Meyer - So wanted to be the face of sports gambling. He even bought billboards behind home plate of Major League Baseball games and flashed betting tickets of over 100K. No one could figure out where all the money came from. Drugs and multiple arrests over a decade were a tip off but then when he finally went down the rest of the story came out. He scammed a fish out of Wisconsin for an astounding 35 million dollars and threatened to kill the mark until the mark paid another 10 million, (45 million total). He's currently in jail until 2022 serving an 8 year sentence.




What did Meyer have in common with every other big time scammer? He lasted less than 1 year in college at the University of Miami until he flunked out and also had a felony conviction by his mid 20's. If you can't even do basic math your not going to win betting sports. That's the fact Jack!

2. Robert Gorodetsky - Seemed like a big time high roller when he rolled into Las Vegas with his posse, a financial advisor, a pickup artist and an enforcer. His walked around town almost always wearing a hat with the word, "GAMBLR"on it. In reality he should have worn one that said "SCAMMER" or "LOSER" on it. Anyone with half a brain figured him out to be a fraud when he claimed to pick games out based on gut instinct and claimed winning 65% of his wagers. Another in the line of big time scammers he found a mark who he took for 9.6 million. Who knows who else he took as most people don't complain unless the loss is in the millions. He lasted less than a semester at the University of Arizona until he failed out. He's facing upwards of 20 plus years in jail. He pleaded guilty two days ago and it appears likely he'll get a sentence in range of 5-7 years. Don't drop the soap in prison Rob!

3. Dave Oancea / Better know as It's Vegas Dave - Another college drop out, this one courtesy of Michigan State. Possibly the most dangerous still out there not in jail or currently headed that way. It seems very possibly that he'll get arrested for fraud in the near future. This guy is real dangerous as he can go 1-14 on a daily card for his clients and claim he had a winning day. He has a solid presence on Instagram but Twitter folks seem to have figured him out. From the fake engagement to Holly Sonders, sitting courtside at LA Laker games, walking around with woman's purses, leased high end cars and staying at a Cabo mansion it all ads up to a shell game about to come down with a thud. He has a penchant for giving out -300 to -900 ML favorites his clients can go bust in just a matter of days. A law firm in Las Vegas is on twitter looking for people who got scammed by him and the Feds have to have a long list of complaints and have to be close to indicting him. When your as high profile as he is and there are so many victims it's just a matter of time until you go down. He already has a felony conviction for using fake social security numbers and numerous other arrests from drug possession to a domestic battery charge. What will the headline be when he gets indicted? Possibly, "Midget Purse Wearing Sports Scammer Indicted".

4. Brandon Link / Lang - He's the only handicapper on the list who hasn't gone to jail or is going to jail but he has to be high on the list because he's been lying / scamming for over 15 years. After getting tossed from the Navy, like all the others on the list he enrolled in a few classes at UNLV and couldn't hack it. He claims Jerry Tarkanian asked him during the running Rebels great run to try out as a walk on and it would have happened if he didn't hurt his knee. Yea, right Brandon! He buys points like a kid buys candy at a 7-11. His reasoning on why he picks teams to cover is why people shouldn't follow this guy. There is no sound reasoning whatsoever. His Super Bowl record is completely made up. Stu Feiner admits he came up with the pitch when he was working in his boiler room that Lang was 12-0 in the big game.He's on a streak of losing 5 straight months and 15 straight years. I'd guess that 98% of his stories are made up and 98% of the people buying his picks are fading him.

5. Darin Notaro / Steve Stevens - Runs a telemarketing room in Las Vegas. He couldn't hack college so he started off scamming the elderly in a boiler room selling anything from pens to calling people and telling them they won a new car. He already was on probation for five felonies when he got popped 20 years ago for scamming retired people out of $234,000.00. He pleaded guilty and served a year in the federal slammer. The guy has the gambling brain of a pea. He plays 95% favorites and tells clients for example in football to buy the line up from 18.5 to 19 points. One of the worst handicappers I have ever followed but his games are rarely available. If he spends more than 5 minutes looking at a newspaper deciding on games it's too much. It's amazing he hasn't gotten popped with all the lies he tells clients to get them to send money for his worthless picks.

6. Kris Barr- Not as widely known as the others because he gets banned from twitter quicker than people change their underwear but he belongs on the list. Plays favorites and ML favorites almost exclusively. He couldn't name 5 players in college basketball. He just goes with teams he's familiar with and makes up records. Listen to a 30 minute football podcast and you wonder what rock did this lowlife crawl out from up under. A few years back he claimed to get fixed games from a MLB player named Jeff Locke. He grew up playing little league baseball with the MLB player and got pissed when Locke wouldn't acknowledge him when he contacted him via social media. When MLB came calling he cried like a baby to their investigators admitting he made the whole scheme up. What is crazy is Barr is actually proud of this episode in his life. I don't get that one at all but then again who can understand a guy that is a known pathological liar. On the rare occasion he gives out a free game on social media it's almost always a loser. He is always claiming to be 10-1 or 18-2 but whenever someone signs up with him they usually start losing immediately and he asks for more money. He probably couldn't spell college let alone pass a basket weaving class in college. He has served time in the state slammer for numerous offenses.

The link between all 6 of the biggest scammers / handicappers is they couldn't last even 1 year in college. They all so wanted to prove they were relevant because they failed for family & friends at a young age. This led them to break the law and commit fraud and or other offenses and 5 of the 6 are convicted felons in jail, going to jail or just a stones throw away from going back to jail. Do your homework people. If the claims by these or other handicappers sound too good to be true they probably are and they are just waiting to scam you.

It is important to post this information to advise others to stay away from scammers. Any others that posters notice?

[mjsuax13]

1. Adam Meyer - So wanted to be the face of sports gambling. He even bought billboards behind home plate of Major League Baseball games and flashed betting tickets of over 100K. No one could figure out where all the money came from. Drugs and multiple arrests over a decade were a tip off but then when he finally went down the rest of the story came out. He scammed a fish out of Wisconsin for an astounding 35 million dollars and threatened to kill the mark until the mark paid another 10 million, (45 million total). He's currently in jail until 2022 serving an 8 year sentence.
What did Meyer have in common with every other big time scammer? He lasted less than 1 year in college at the University of Miami until he flunked out and also had a felony conviction by his mid 20's. If you can't even do basic math your not going to win betting sports. That's the fact Jack!

2. Robert Gorodetsky - Seemed like a big time high roller when he rolled into Las Vegas with his posse, a financial advisor, a pickup artist and an enforcer. His walked around town almost always wearing a hat with the word, "GAMBLR"on it. In reality he should have worn one that said "SCAMMER" or "LOSER" on it. Anyone with half a brain figured him out to be a fraud when he claimed to pick games out based on gut instinct and claimed winning 65% of his wagers. Another in the line of big time scammers he found a mark who he took for 9.6 million. Who knows who else he took as most people don't complain unless the loss is in the millions. He lasted less than a semester at the University of Arizona until he failed out. He's facing upwards of 20 plus years in jail. He pleaded guilty two days ago and it appears likely he'll get a sentence in range of 5-7 years. Don't drop the soap in prison Rob!

3. Dave Oancea / Better know as It's Vegas Dave - Another college drop out, this one courtesy of Michigan State. Possibly the most dangerous still out there not in jail or currently headed that way. It seems very possibly that he'll get arrested for fraud in the near future. This guy is real dangerous as he can go 1-14 on a daily card for his clients and claim he had a winning day. He has a solid presence on Instagram but Twitter folks seem to have figured him out. From the fake engagement to Holly Sonders, sitting courtside at LA Laker games, walking around with woman's purses, leased high end cars and staying at a Cabo mansion it all ads up to a shell game about to come down with a thud. He has a penchant for giving out -300 to -900 ML favorites his clients can go bust in just a matter of days. A law firm in Las Vegas is on twitter looking for people who got scammed by him and the Feds have to have a long list of complaints and have to be close to indicting him. When your as high profile as he is and there are so many victims it's just a matter of time until you go down. He already has a felony conviction for using fake social security numbers and numerous other arrests from drug possession to a domestic battery charge. What will the headline be when he gets indicted? Possibly, "Midget Purse Wearing Sports Scammer Indicted".

4. Brandon Link / Lang - He's the only handicapper on the list who hasn't gone to jail or is going to jail but he has to be high on the list because he's been lying / scamming for over 15 years. After getting tossed from the Navy, like all the others on the list he enrolled in a few classes at UNLV and couldn't hack it. He claims Jerry Tarkanian asked him during the running Rebels great run to try out as a walk on and it would have happened if he didn't hurt his knee. Yea, right Brandon! He buys points like a kid buys candy at a 7-11. His reasoning on why he picks teams to cover is why people shouldn't follow this guy. There is no sound reasoning whatsoever. His Super Bowl record is completely made up. Stu Feiner admits he came up with the pitch when he was working in his boiler room that Lang was 12-0 in the big game.He's on a streak of losing 5 straight months and 15 straight years. I'd guess that 98% of his stories are made up and 98% of the people buying his picks are fading him.

5. Darin Notaro / Steve Stevens - Runs a telemarketing room in Las Vegas. He couldn't hack college so he started off scamming the elderly in a boiler room selling anything from pens to calling people and telling them they won a new car. He already was on probation for five felonies when he got popped 20 years ago for scamming retired people out of $234,000.00. He pleaded guilty and served a year in the federal slammer. The guy has the gambling brain of a pea. He plays 95% favorites and tells clients for example in football to buy the line up from 18.5 to 19 points. One of the worst handicappers I have ever followed but his games are rarely available. If he spends more than 5 minutes looking at a newspaper deciding on games it's too much. It's amazing he hasn't gotten popped with all the lies he tells clients to get them to send money for his worthless picks.

6. Kris Barr- Not as widely known as the others because he gets banned from twitter quicker than people change their underwear but he belongs on the list. Plays favorites and ML favorites almost exclusively. He couldn't name 5 players in college basketball. He just goes with teams he's familiar with and makes up records. Listen to a 30 minute football podcast and you wonder what rock did this lowlife crawl out from up under. A few years back he claimed to get fixed games from a MLB player named Jeff Locke. He grew up playing little league baseball with the MLB player and got pissed when Locke wouldn't acknowledge him when he contacted him via social media. When MLB came calling he cried like a baby to their investigators admitting he made the whole scheme up. What is crazy is Barr is actually proud of this episode in his life. I don't get that one at all but then again who can understand a guy that is a known pathological liar. On the rare occasion he gives out a free game on social media it's almost always a loser. He is always claiming to be 10-1 or 18-2 but whenever someone signs up with him they usually start losing immediately and he asks for more money. He probably couldn't spell college let alone pass a basket weaving class in college. He has served time in the state slammer for numerous offenses.

The link between all 6 of the biggest scammers / handicappers is they couldn't last even 1 year in college. They all so wanted to prove they were relevant because they failed for family & friends at a young age. This led them to break the law and commit fraud and or other offenses and 5 of the 6 are convicted felons in jail, going to jail or just a stones throw away from going back to jail. Do your homework people. If the claims by these or other handicappers sound too good to be true they probably are and they are just waiting to scam you.

Wow. Quite a list of scumbags.

[gopolks]

Steve Stevens is quite the con artist, he knows all the tricks, he does weekly videos on youtube. Why oh why would people
pay him for picks? Apparently he knows all the players, coaches, managers and ceo's and he now has a 80% winning record.

There was a site that actually listed some of his picks, he was at around 40%.

[Mike Huntertz]

If you could pick winners why would you need to sell picks? Just bet the sh!t out of them.
If ya can't pick winners then sell your losers.
Figure it out!

[Otters27]

Been scammed once or twice.

[mjsuax13]

Vegas Dave is the lowest of low.

[Vyasports]

[Vyasports]

[clockwise1965]

All of the touts on the list are deserving.

[manny24]

you will always get Landers'd tailing others

[jjgold]

All touts frauds
All stock touts frauds

[PatrickSarni]

Steve Stevens A/K/A Darin Notaro is a top 10 scamdicapper for sure. He's also possibly one of the worst handicappers I have ever tracked. Because he isn't tracked by any monitoring service I haven't ever been able to get a true read on how bad he is but he's awful. I have seen his plays over the course of last 5 years for a few months at a time and his results are frightful! I'm talking in the low 40's and that's with buying points. His plays can't be bought and emailed ot texted for a period of time because their office has clients call in only so they can try to upsel you whetheryou won or lost the last day(s). He plays 85% or more favorites and buys points like kids eat candy. On top of buying points he doesn't know when to buy points. I have seen him give out college football favorites at -18 points and want his clients to buy a half point or point when certain numbers are dead numbers. We aren't talking about buying a half point on or off -3 or +3 in the NFL with a low total. Stevens / Notaro like most of the others mentioned above didn't go to college and probably couldn't pass 6th grade math. He is strictly a telemarketing office and should be avoided like the plague.

[BigdaddyQH]

If you cannot pick winners yourself (and apparently few in here can) get out of the business. It is that simple.