[C-Gold]

Not a pacifist
1. Troops still in Iraq, Obama didn't speed up timetable
2. Obama added 40,000 combat troops plus thousands in support in Afgan ( higher death totals than W)
3. Not closing Gitmo like he promised... he's hoping people just forget about it
4. Obama attacking Libya


What's realling going on in Libya
To me it looks like Obama said whatever would get him the nod over Hillary Clinton and John Mccain. He's a true (lying) manipulative politcian. What troubles me is the recent talk in Libya. Look, I dislike Gaddafi as much as anybody but look at the biased rhetoric coming out of Obama...

1. Gaddafi is attacking his own people!
- He's attacking them because they are rebels and they were attacking the legitimacy of his own government. It would be like if a bunch of anti-Obama rednecks with rifles started taking over Kansas City, St. Louis and Atlanta and the Obama administration sent in the army to squash it. Of course he wants to squash the rebellion to maintain power. He's attacking his own people because they are trying to overthrow him!

2. Gaddafi is attacking defenseless people!
- That sounds like a good reason to attack somebody but it just isn't true. Have you seen the media photos of the rebels shooting AK-47's in the air with masks on their faces? Storming center city and taking over? These aren't innocent helpless civillians, they are freedom fighters. Obama isn't "helping the innocent", he's are supporting the revolution. Big difference. His spin makes it sound nicer but it isn't true.

3. "The people just want democracy"
Some of the rebels just want democracy, but you have a large number of people working together to overthrow Gaddafi. Some want Democracy, but some are certainly religious freaks that want to overthrow the government to institute an ( in my opinion even worse) Islamic theocracy.


In my opinion the US did the dirty work, but they threw other countries name on the work so that the US wouldn't be seen as the white devil bad guys ( even though we will anyway).

So what did we do? Well remember that uprising a few weeks ago? Now Gaddafi is angry and he sent all the kings horses and all the kings men to take back his country again. As those tanks and war planes on their way to tripoli were going to crush the pitiful rebels ( many didn't even know how to load a gun) but the big bad US bully stepped in and crushed Pro government forces so that the rebels can live to fight another day.

I do NOT think the US will invade... we don't want to take the country and GIVE it to rebels, we want to help push them along and trick them into thinking THEY won their country back. So think of us like a ref fixing a game or something. I'm trying to say this in gambling terms so you guys will understand. Right when Turnpike Tech gets a slight lead over DUKE, you have the Refs ( Americans) come in and start fixing the game, making calls, so that Turnpike tech can come back and win on their own.

Rebels = turnpike tech
Gaddaffi = Duke
Fixing referees = US Military

We want to let the rebels think THEY won their country back so we aren't seen as the bad guys invading their country. We'll just bomb the crap out of Gaddaffi army when they start winning and let the rebels think they won all the while Obama tries to put a positive spin on all of it.

[wtf]

funny

i was just thinking the yesterday, he was so anti-war and now doing the same stuff the other guys done

where is the "change"

[C-Gold]

funny

i was just thinking the yesterday, he was so anti-war and now doing the same stuff the other guys done

where is the "change"

What's the O/U before somebody posts that Israelis, Corporations, secret societies, connected famliies, Rothschilds or some political elites are really running things behind the scenes and not the figurehead president?

[stealthyburrito]

when did obama say he was a paficist?

pacificist would never get elected initially and/or last long on the hill.

[pavyracer]

What do you want him to be? Like Mahatma Ghandi? Dissolve the US Military, crash all our satellites and destroy all our weapons? Then change the US flag to the Switzerland flag?

[wtf]

What do you want him to be? Like Mahatma Ghandi? Dissolve the US Military, crash all our satellites and destroy all our weapons? Then change the US flag to the Switzerland flag?

so america is supposed to attack every country that is run by a bad guy? holy fuk , new war every month

if there was no oil in libya nothing would happen-the state department would monitor the situation

[pavyracer]

Not every country. Just Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia, Vietnam, Grenada, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia, Sudan..You know the axis of evil.

[King Mayan]

so america is supposed to attack every country that is run by a bad guy? holy fuk , new war every month

if there was no oil in libya nothing would happen-the state department would monitor the situation

Are you a repub??? Because your friends over here in America, want him to blast the crap outta Libya....

[C-Gold]

when did obama say he was a paficist?

pacificist would never get elected initially and/or last long on the hill.

Obama called George Bush a war monger. What can say about Obama? He was elected in 2008 and it's 2011 now.

[nyed1010]

Obama called George Bush a war monger. What can say about Obama? He was elected in 2008 and it's 2011 now.

to be fair, two pretty different situations here. Bush entered Iraq on false pretenses and without the support of a UN resolution nor the support of Arab allies in the region. Obama entered Libya with the support of the UN and with the support of Arab allies in the region(even fellow Arabs despise Gaddafi). So calling Bush a war monger is far more appropriate than calling Obama a war monger.

[C-Gold]

to be fair, two pretty different situations here. Bush entered Iraq on false pretenses and without the support of a UN resolution nor the support of Arab allies in the region. Obama entered Libya with the support of the UN and with the support of Arab allies in the region(even fellow Arabs despise Gaddafi). So calling Bush a war monger is far more appropriate than calling Obama a war monger.

Bush did what he thought was right based on the information he had. He had bi-partisan support and other countries ( Tony Blair) supported it as well and still does to this day. He said when you are in charge you don't want to take any chances with these crazies with these stakes especially in a frantic post 911 world.

Obama calls Bush a war monger... He used to say Bush started "two illegal wars", but then Obama went and kept one the same while vastly increasing the other one and starting another one. Not what his Obamabots wanted.

[Slim]

Why doesn't the U.S. attack Mugabe in Zimbabwe? He's doing the same shit Gadhafi is doing in Libya.

[antifoil]

dude bush's people knew they were lying. that's why they had to destory plame and her husband by making shit up about her and blowing her cia cover.

no one believes that bush had bad information. not unless you are a troll.

[wtf]

Why doesn't the U.S. attack Mugabe in Zimbabwe? He's doing the same shit Gadhafi is doing in Libya.

not even close, mugabe ruined without doubt south africas most vibrant economy

gaddafi provides a litany of free services for the people, school , health care, etc

[wtf]

when did obama say he was a paficist?

pacificist would never get elected initially and/or last long on the hill.

dear sirs, please see recent winners of the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE

PEACE PRIZE, PEACE PEACE PEACE

[paco]

so america is supposed to attack every country that is run by a bad guy? holy fuk , new war every month if there was no oil in libya nothing would happen-the state department would monitor the situation

Winner!

[Landscaper]

R government is nothing but a bunch of blowhards that do whats best for themselves


I dont give a fck who r president is..nothing will change and we will still be over in the middle-east looking to exploit others

[WileOut]

When America invaded Iraq under Bush, the media crushed him for it. Despite the fact that Saddam Hussein killed tens of thousands of innocent people and was an imminent threat to world peace according to all western intelligence, the media just crushed Bush. It wasn't good enough that Saddam was a threat to innocent people in his country.

But here we are attacking another muslim country under Obama. Ghadafi is not killing innocent people. He is killing people who are trying to kill him. So attacking Ghadafi is much worse than attacking Saddam was. But the media remains on the side of Obama. Why?

[THE PROFIT]

he just dropped a few bombs, sent about 115 cruise missiles, and killed a couple hundred people. Chill the fuk out, ya'll act like he has fukin attacked or invaded someone

[Emily_Haines]

[THE PROFIT]

If Obama is a war monger then what the fuk is Bush???

[Bradyd]

People can't seem to make up their minds about Obama. They want to call him every name in the book, but none of them fit.

[Dark Horse]

US president has no real power. He's a puppet in the hands of the military-industrial complex.

Here's Obama before he had learned that:

Obama In 2007: ‘President Does Not Have Power Under Constitution to Unilaterally Authorize a Military Attack’

(CNSNews.com) – As a presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) emphatically stated that the Constitution does not give the president the authority to unilaterally authorize a military attack unless it is needed to stop an actual or imminent attack on the United States.

Obama made the assertion in a Dec. 20, 2007 interview with the Boston Globe when reporter Charlie Savage asked him under what circumstances the president would have the constitutional authority to bomb Iran without first seeking authorization from Congress.

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama responded.

“As Commander-in-Chief, the President does have a duty to protect and defend the United States,” Obama continued. “In instances of self-defense, the President would be within his constitutional authority to act before advising Congress or seeking its consent. History has shown us time and again, however, that military action is most successful when it is authorized and supported by the Legislative branch.”

Here's what he did as president:

Rep. Roscoe Bartlett Says President Obama’s Unilateral Choice to Order U.S. Military Force Against Qadhafi is an Affront to Our Constitution

Congressman Roscoe Bartlett
Monday, March 21, 2011

Washington, Mar 21 - Congressman Roscoe Bartlett released the following statement today concerning the situation in Libya. Congressman Bartlett represents Maryland’s Sixth District and he is the Chairman of the Subcommittee on Tactical Air and Land Forces of the House Armed Services Committee.

“The United States does not have a King’s army. President Obama’s unilateral choice to use U.S. military force in Libya is an affront to our Constitution. President Obama’s administration has repeated the mistakes of the Clinton administration concerning bombing in Kosovo and the George W. Bush administration concerning invading Iraq by failing to request and obtain from the U.S. Congress unambiguous prior authorization to use military force against a country that has not attacked U.S. territory, the U.S. military or U.S. citizens.

Obama 100% betrayed the People of the US. But if he had stood up they would simply have assassinated him. So all he can be accused of is being a coward.

[csm506]

wars make money that is all you need to know

[stealthyburrito]

Obama called George Bush a war monger. What can say about Obama? He was elected in 2008 and it's 2011 now.

im not sure i understand. the plan is to have naval and air forces in the region for a weeks time with no commitment of ground troops. the europeans will handle the bulk of the military force, as expressed by the french. of course, plans change as indicated by the iraq war.

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everyone know that was totally underdeserving and uncalled for. it was a joke.

[King Mayan]

US president has no real power. He's a puppet in the hands of the military-industrial complex.

Here's Obama before he had learned that:


Here's what he did as president:


Obama 100% betrayed the People of the US. But if he had stood up they would simply have assassinated him. So all he can be accused of is being a coward.

[C-Gold]

everyone know that was totally underdeserving and uncalled for. it was a joke.

The story of Barrack Hussein Obama's life.

[Emily_Haines]

If Obama is a war monger then what the fuk is Bush???

I no longer support this turd. He is a bigger war monger than Bush. Unreal how he lied about every foreign policy issue prior to being elected and our media does not hold him accountable. Didn't even get congress approval for the latest illegal war. Just another wanna be cowboy like Bush.

And to think some dumb ass nation gave this guy a peace award.

Sheen was RIGHT when he called him a coward in a cheap suit.

[icancount2one]

When an arab is killed by a brutal dictator putting down a rebellion (like dictators have for millenia) it's "killing your own people". When we do it it's "collateral damage".

C-Gold for once I almost entirely agree with you. Your analogy about a ref fixing a game is very accurate when it comes to situations like Clinton's actions in Haiti and Bosnia and Obama in Libya. Democrat wars are normally short and surgical. Like you've said though, our given reasons are BS, but not as BS as invading the country 10 years after the fact.

Someone like G.W. or McCain would see this as an opportunity for a permanent presence in Libya and we'd probably be in the game instead of just reffing it. As usual, Obama is far, far worse than the ideal, but still better than his Republican counterparts. However, being better than Satan isn't actually good.

[King Mayan]

I no longer support this turd. He is a bigger war monger than Bush. Unreal how he lied about every foreign policy issue prior to being elected and our media does not hold him accountable. Didn't even get congress approval for the latest illegal war. Just another wanna be cowboy like Bush.

And to think some dumb ass nation gave this guy a peace award.

Sheen was RIGHT when he called him a coward in a cheap suit.

Says the hoodratt that keeps talking shit in the Internet......

[Naz18]

Obama is trying to win over the Republican crowd by invading other countries.

[jcubs55]

Remember when he said he would have all the troops out of the middle east within 6 months of his term? I can't believe some of you idiots actually voted for this lying pri

[King Mayan]

Remember when he said he would have all the troops out of the middle east within 6 months of his term? I can't believe some of you idiots actually voted for this lying pri

WHAT??? politicians LIE???? YOU DON'T SAY!!!!!!

[Balco10]

They all lie, but this administration need to go!
His goal this bring down this country and make it a 3 world country. This was his fathers ultimate goal! We are heading socialist under Nobama!

[Justin7]

Why doesn't the U.S. attack Mugabe in Zimbabwe? He's doing the same shit Gadhafi is doing in Libya.

How much oil is there?