[ticklz]

Hey Guys,

If anyones watching the Poker world cup, want to post up the winners as the tourneys complete:

12:00 Pm:

1.
2.
3.
4.

and so on.....

[sweep]

[ticklz]

gotta cheer on the winning team (Canada)

[yisman]

USA/Canada left in first tournament, two best teams going at it.

[no1here]

usa wins six today, canada one, world two and europe three

[shaunovery]

Live leaderboard in pt

[ticklz]

Live leaderboard in pt

tnx Shaun:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...ng-so-far.html

[Wulfman14]

USA/Canada left in first tournament, two best teams going at it.

did you see the 12 pm ? first of all its the first slot in a 4 day 48 slot tourney. second i was drowned in water by the US and canada. i dont know what happened after cuz i fell asleep but im sure a lot of my team took bad beats like i did. "best teams left" LOL.

[yisman]

did you see the 12 pm ? first of all its the first slot in a 4 day 48 slot tourney. second i was drowned in water by the US and canada. i dont know what happened after cuz i fell asleep but im sure a lot of my team took bad beats like i did. "best teams left" LOL.

I said best teams. No I didn't watch any of the tournaments but the USA and Canada have the two strongest teams.

No idea who got lucky/unlucky today.

[Wulfman14]

I said best teams. No I didn't watch any of the tournaments but the USA and Canada have the two strongest teams.

No idea who got lucky/unlucky today.

well in this format thats what it is about mostly. europe is on top after the first day. i guess the 2nd to last worst team right ?

[yisman]

it's definitely about who gets the luckiest.

I think it would be hard to dispute that USA and Canada have the strongest teams. Obviously Europe and World can still win. It's online poker.

I just saw USA and Canada were the last two standing in an early tournament and commented. Doesn't mean they played the best in that tournament, either.

[Wulfman14]

it's definitely about who gets the luckiest.

I think it would be hard to dispute that USA and Canada have the strongest teams. Obviously Europe and World can still win. It's online poker.

I just saw USA and Canada were the last two standing in an early tournament and commented. Doesn't mean they played the best in that tournament, either.

not gonna get into this but there are numerous ways i can dispute this considering 70% of my guys played less then half the dailies cuz of the format they just didnt need too ! i myself missed at least 15. and another 10 was disconnected in the middle cuz of monsoons this time of year . well your theory about the world team being the weakest has been proven so far, let us see.

[theballsflop]

not gonna get into this but there are numerous ways i can dispute this considering 70% of my guys played less then half the dailies cuz of the format they just didnt need too ! i myself missed at least 15. and another 10 was disconnected in the middle cuz of monsoons this time of year . well your theory about the world team being the weakest has been proven so far, let us see.

Relax Wulf, there's no need to take offense at what yisman is suggesting. This World Cup will never be an indication of who are the strongest poker players, firstly they are turbo sngs... not much play involved in that after the blinds get to the 50/100 level, secondly with only 4 rounds for each player, it's just not a big enough sample size to indicate who has the skills and who's lucky.

That being said, Team USA and Team Canada possess the strongest players in terms of skill as the players on their teams had to play for their spots over a 4 month period with 5 tournaments each week, which is pretty intense. To perform and cash consistently enough to get on the top 12 spots on their teams means that they have to possess a certain skill level. So my hats off to those that made their teams, they definitely earned their spots.

Team World has an advantage in the sense that we are mostly wildcards, with such a small sample size being played to get to the World Cup, it's hard for the other teams to make out if we are fishes or actually know what's going on. I'll take that element of unpredictability for our team anyday.

[yisman]

not gonna get into this but there are numerous ways i can dispute this considering 70% of my guys played less then half the dailies cuz of the format they just didnt need too ! i myself missed at least 15. and another 10 was disconnected in the middle cuz of monsoons this time of year . well your theory about the world team being the weakest has been proven so far, let us see.

Wulf, I'm not just going by this year's stats. There's years of data to go off of here. Most of the players on the teams have been playing since 2011.

Go look at the 2011 and 2012 standings and see which teams are the strongest. You'll see I'm right.

Finally, even if there was no past data to go off of, which team do you think will be stronger, the one that had hundreds competing for 12 spots or the one which didn't even have 12 regular poker players in its region, so anyone could just play two weeks and automatically get in?

You cannot logically dispute my conclusions.

[Wulfman14]

Relax Wulf, there's no need to take offense at what yisman is suggesting. This World Cup will never be an indication of who are the strongest poker players, firstly they are turbo sngs... not much play involved in that after the blinds get to the 50/100 level, secondly with only 4 rounds for each player, it's just not a big enough sample size to indicate who has the skills and who's lucky.

That being said, Team USA and Team Canada possess the strongest players in terms of skill as the players on their teams had to play for their spots over a 4 month period with 5 tournaments each week, which is pretty intense. To perform and cash consistently enough to get on the top 12 spots on their teams means that they have to possess a certain skill level. So my hats off to those that made their teams, they definitely earned their spots.

Team World has an advantage in the sense that we are mostly wildcards, with such a small sample size being played to get to the World Cup, it's hard for the other teams to make out if we are fishes or actually know what's going on. I'll take that element of unpredictability for our team anyday.

lol im completely relaxed guy. you are new to the forum, yisman is a good friend of mine.

[theballsflop]

lol im completely relaxed guy. you are new to the forum, yisman is a good friend of mine.

Sure. Thought u were taking unnecessary offense at what I thought were reasonable comments.

[Wulfman14]

Wulf, I'm not just going by this year's stats. There's years of data to go off of here. Most of the players on the teams have been playing since 2011.

Go look at the 2011 and 2012 standings and see which teams are the strongest. You'll see I'm right.

Finally, even if there was no past data to go off of, which team do you think will be stronger, the one that had hundreds competing for 12 spots or the one which didn't even have 12 regular poker players in its region, so anyone could just play two weeks and automatically get in?

You cannot logically dispute my conclusions.

yes the top 15-20 US and Canadian players have earned their spots. but if there were just as many international and european players in the field , the points discrepancy would be much much less . and remember towards the last month and a half im sure those that were close to qualifying played a lot more then those that had no chance. i cant remember how many times one of my american bros knocked me out of a tourney just because of the sheer volume of american players in the field. yes most likely they were outside the top 15 but they took away points from me and im sure rest of the world team and euro team just because of sheer volume , winning on coin flips, rivers, etc.

the top 10, no the top 20 of the US team deserves respect but there are a myriad of details you are leaving out , not little things that would have made world and european numbers just as close to the americans and canadians and it has nothing to do with skill.

this is online poker and at the end of the day we both agree that this 4 day turbo SnG is not indicative of anything. we also have 3-4 guys in the top 15 for pts / cash . again the sample size is too small to say that guys like willC, ballsflop and blacklady are amazing and the best but if you are just going to go by stats and not take into account other factors then i guess they are the best arent they ? statistically ? i myself average more pts per cash then 3 of the US top 6.

now if there were say dailies everyday where only the top 50 quailfy regardless of region , each who played everyday, and the top 15 were all the same americans that are on the team this year then i would have nothing to say. that is definite proof that they are more stronger in terms of poker play. but even then you make it seems as if it would only be US and canadian players in the top 50. NO it wouldnt. there would be a nice chunk of world and euro players in there because of intensified competition for a spot. i assure you of this .

i dont know how many members of the US team in 2011 and 2012 were retained . those that are repeats are definitely to be commended no argument there. that has everything to do with skill. but i dont know how many US guys are repeats. the team looks pretty diffferent then last years and the year befores except for a couple of guys, but again i dont know . i dont remember the roster from last year and 2011 .

[Optional]

I think Canada came 4th in the last four tourneys of the day. If it had started that way instead of ending I bet we would have seen loads of posts writing Canada off as useless for first half of yesterday.

3 days to go!

[dikefale]

If u have the most players its obvious that you will have most points earned at tourneys. For example most of my points i won playing late for my local European time,so i played with us and canada plaers mostly.If we had 50-60 players from Europe fighting for top 12 we would have played much more.i can say that i havnt played at least 40% of dailies(didnt regster or i forgot and was ejected 10-15 from start).

Some us and canada players are very good but they are not all better than rest of us. I think Ruddy deserve spot there and Sweep aswell,but they maybe didnt have nough time to play everyday.

[yisman]

The only thing the 2013 qualifying proved to me was that there are only a handful of regular SBR poker players in the World region.

My comments were based on past standings, from non-world cup competitions in 2011 and 2012. I was looking over the standings to assemble a fantasy team for the world cup. No matter how you slice it, the US and Canadian teams are the strongest.

So the argument I keep hearing is "people from other countries didn't have to qualify, if they did they would've scored more." Again, I didn't base my comments on the 2013 World Cup. I'm well aware that the World team didn't have to qualify and Europe wasn't difficult either.

[Wulfman14]

you are hearing that argument because you never made it clear that you were using stats other then the world cup. you just said look at 2011 and 2012 standings and see which teams are the strongest. one can only assume you were only talking about the ryder cup. yes, now if you conglomerated all of 2011 and 2012 poker stats for players and determined strength that way then yea that is more of an indicator of skill. keep in mind sbr has always been favorable to US and canadians for all these different poker dailies versus the rest of the world and most parts of europe. we (euros, aussies, asians) are forced to play in only a select few time slots. you know why the 10 am was hardest time slot for this one ? the one i played 98% of the time. cuz it had players from ALL different regions while the later ones had mostly just americans.

The only thing the 2013 qualifying proved to me was that there are only a handful of regular SBR poker players in the World region.

My comments were based on past standings, from non-world cup competitions in 2011 and 2012. I was looking over the standings to assemble a fantasy team for the world cup. No matter how you slice it, the US and Canadian teams are the strongest.

So the argument I keep hearing is "people from other countries didn't have to qualify, if they did they would've scored more." Again, I didn't base my comments on the 2013 World Cup. I'm well aware that the World team didn't have to qualify and Europe wasn't difficult either.

[yisman]

the 10 AM this year had on average less players than the night ones (US time)

The standings for 2011 and 2012 non-world cup competitions are in the poker forum and I think they're pretty telling.

[dikefale]

the 10 AM this year had on average less players than the night ones (US time)

The standings for 2011 and 2012 non-world cup competitions are in the poker forum and I think they're pretty telling.

You are not right YIS,10 am is top 3,4 when it comes to number of players played.

[yisman]

You are not right YIS,10 am is top 3,4 when it comes to number of players played.

Of course I am right. I have the numbers saved. top 3,4? There were only five tournaments a day, and the 10 AM was not one of the top 2 in average.

[dikefale]

My bad for top 3,4 regardin there were just 5 tourneys ,sorry.
Can u post your number so we all can see that.

[yisman]

I have it all in a bunch of e-mails. Here's the last six weeks (I bolded the times when the 10 AM had the most players, or tied for the most):

mon

31
31
32
32
32


tues

30
36
34
32
36


wed

29
38
31
35
36


thu

28
32
28
32
33


fri

29
30
22
28
32


mon

27
36
27
25
34


tues


31
40
32
30
31


wed

30
35
31
31
28


thu

38
37
29
27
17


fri

31
35
26
27
27


mon

24
37
28
30
30


tues

32
34
29
32
24


wed

32
28
30
32
30


thu

32
36
30
32
26


fri

32
34
24
23
29


mon (SBR was broken, the entire qualifying was disrupted. I got booted out of my tournament in the middle. Nothing was ever done to rectify the situation. Points from that day should not have counted)

28
29
11
18
32


tues

33
33
26
34
30


wed

31
33
27
34
35


thu

32
28
27
24
34


fri

30
32
27
27
21


mon

35
32
33
33
35


tues

32
33
37
31
34


wed

30
33
31
30
35


thu

34
36
38
37
26


fri

33
(30+)
28
31
31

mon

34
32
33
29
29


tues

27
36
29
36
39


wed

31
29
28
36
25


thu

26
33
33
30
27

fri

31
29
24
27
27

[downsouth]

I always thought the 9 and 11 had the most players with the exception of Friday

[runner5k]

I've kept numbers as well and my spreadsheet averaged it out like this for the competition( and yes I missed a few tournament days but that would not have changed the averages much this this completion took a lifetime)
10am: 30.3 players
3pm: 33.8 players
7pm: 29.8 players
9pm: 32.7 players
11pm: 33.1 players

7 pm was the lowest and the 3pm, 9pm and 11pm were top 3 by a wide margin

[yisman]

Very close between 10 AM and 7 PM for lowest number of entrants. So the 10 AM was either the easiest timeslot or second easiest.

[ShogunRua]

I've kept numbers as well and my spreadsheet averaged it out like this for the competition( and yes I missed a few tournament days but that would not have changed the averages much this this completion took a lifetime)
10am: 30.3 players
3pm: 33.8 players
7pm: 29.8 players
9pm: 32.7 players
11pm: 33.1 players

7 pm was the lowest and the 3pm, 9pm and 11pm were top 3 by a wide margin

What is your secret to SBR trivia? I always miss that damn 3rd question as I know nothing about Indian Soccer/1940's tennis/etc.

[Optional]

Very close between 10 AM and 7 PM for lowest number of entrants. So the 10 AM was either the easiest timeslot or second easiest.

I'd be interested to see how the timeslots stack up as far as most qualifiers and most points won in finals.

That's how you could tell which one is 'easiest'.

[Wulfman14]

Very close between 10 AM and 7 PM for lowest number of entrants. So the 10 AM was either the easiest timeslot or second easiest.

number of entrants does not make the timeslot any easier. especially with one or two players more

[yisman]

On average, 3 players less than the more frequented tournaments, which is a pretty big deal (huge difference between 30 and 33. Not so much if it were 250 and 253, but three players is tremendous in this format).

Since it's impossible to actually come up with any stat that would rank the timeslots by skill (since many people played different timeslots depending on the day), number of people is the only way to judge.

If you're offering me a choice of tournaments to play in, I'll take the one with less players, thanks.

I know the 9 and 11 PM had many of the top players from the 2011 and 2012 leaderboards playing in them, because I played those and saw the players.

[Wulfman14]

please anybody with a clue will tell you that the 10 am were the tightest players out of all the time slots. i played in one or two late ones. cant gauge from that but 3-4 players out in first 5 minutes.

[runner5k]

please anybody with a clue will tell you that the 10 am were the tightest players out of all the time slots. i played in one or two late ones. cant gauge from that but 3-4 players out in first 5 minutes.

Fair assessment but that also made it very predictable. In the later tournaments a lot more of a varying style of play plus a few straight up nut jobs