[yisman]

At the palm beach kennel club they would kick him out of the tourney. I was at a tourney the other day and the guy had the nuts and he didnt raise and someone called him out on it. They pulled the director over and gave him 2 round penality.

that's bizarre

[SBR_John]

This investigation is now in my hands, with several other members of the SBR Fraud detection squad assisting.

All involved will questioned in due course.

Mods please lock this thread now.

Hawley, how do we find out what the hole cards for PO and mih?

Carry on with the investigation. My initial conclusion is to agree with Milwaukee Mike. Assuming mih was not in on it, and there is no allegations he is, then I see the play as a poorly played hand and nothing more. It could be PO was trying to buy the pot and thought the short stacked player would fold and did not want to commit an additional 1100 points to the pot. IF PO indeed had a strong hand then SBR could and probably should issue him a warning to play the game as a gentleman or risk having his privileges suspended. If PO had something less than a strong hand it seems to me this is a non event, pending your review.

[hawley]

Hawley, how do we find out what the hole cards for PO and mih?

Carry on with the investigation. My initial conclusion is to agree with Milwaukee Mike. Assuming mih was not in on it, and there is no allegations he is, then I see the play as a poorly played hand and nothing more. It could be PO was trying to buy the pot and thought the short stacked player would fold and did not want to commit an additional 1100 points to the pot. IF PO indeed had a strong hand then SBR could and probably should issue him a warning to play the game as a gentleman or risk having his privileges suspended. If PO had something less than a strong hand it seems to me this is a non event, pending your review.

John I am recruiting the rest of my team now and the report will be in your inbox within 12 hours as per usual

[The Giant]

The important question here is this: Did PO69 say he was going to do his best to keep TTWarrior away from the final table BEFORE or AFTER this particular hand?


Because if it was before, this would have been an obvious attempt to do that. Nobody in the world is folding to a reraise in that spot right there.

[ttwarrior1]

doesnt matter what his whole cards were, you don't raise that and then fold for 1 k more with 21 k in chips and then say your folding to keep that player in

[ttwarrior1]

this is online sbr poker, not a casino cash game

[MoneyLineDawg]

Hawley, how do we find out what the hole cards for PO and mih?

Carry on with the investigation. My initial conclusion is to agree with Milwaukee Mike. Assuming mih was not in on it, and there is no allegations he is, then I see the play as a poorly played hand and nothing more. It could be PO was trying to buy the pot and thought the short stacked player would fold and did not want to commit an additional 1100 points to the pot. IF PO indeed had a strong hand then SBR could and probably should issue him a warning to play the game as a gentleman or risk having his privileges suspended. If PO had something less than a strong hand it seems to me this is a non event, pending your review.

John, anyone with half a brain calls there with 22k chips behind them in that situation for 1000 chips more, ANYONE........With ANY 2 cards

And then he said in chat he folded just because ttwarrior was next in line for the big blind and didn't want him to advance

If that is fine with SBR, to play bad on purpose to screw over others you don't like than that's what it is.....But to suggest that PO just played the hand poorly is dead wrong

Anyone else here?

[MoneyLineDawg]

doesnt matter what his whole cards were, you don't raise that and then fold for 1 k more with 21 k in chips and then say your folding to keep that player in

Especially a solid poker player like PO69 (Not a complete noob at poker here)

He 100% folded the hand to screw over another player (ttwarrior).....there is no disputing this in my mind. If that is allowed with SBR, so be it....If not, there should be punishment

[hawley]

MoneyLine and TT please PM me your arugments.

[MoneyLineDawg]

Will send it before midnight EST

Hawley call me

[milwaukee mike]

At the palm beach kennel club they would kick him out of the tourney. I was at a tourney the other day and the guy had the nuts and he didnt raise and someone called him out on it. They pulled the director over and gave him 2 round penality.

So obvious collusion gets 2 rd penalty and you think they would kick someone out for folding to a raise?
thats laughable

[raydog]

pos69 left his animals to die in a hurricane...do you really think he gives a shit about dicking you over on sbrpoker? why dont 2 large boned hamburgers play h2h somewhere for real money...

[tunaguitar76]

unwritten rules? a ban?

this is just like the Cole Hamels situation

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Let's look at the real issue here.

PO got ttwarrior out of a tournament, possibly allowing him more spare time to exercise, which potentially could save him from a life threatening heart attack in his 40s.

So I see this move as heroic. We should all thank him for this generous effort.

[milwaukee mike]

Let's look at the real issue here.

PO got ttwarrior out of a tournament, possibly allowing him more spare time to exercise, which potentially could save him from a life threatening heart attack in his 40s.

So I see this move as heroic. We should all thank him for this generous effort.

Also worth noting is the fact that if you don't piss people off enough that they will sacrifice chips to get you out, then this kind of thing is probably much less likely to happen

This whole situation is like 3rd grade, with immature behavior all around. Po not "playing like a gentleman" as sbrjohn calls it, then bragging about his behavior, and then tt whining and tattletaling.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Also worth noting is the fact that if you don't piss people off enough that they will sacrifice chips to get you out, then this kind of thing is probably much less likely to happen

This whole situation is like 3rd grade, with immature behavior all around. Po not "playing like a gentleman" as sbrjohn calls it, then bragging about his behavior, and then tt whining and tattletaling.

Yeah, it is well known that being well liked at the poker table is beneficial to tounament play because people lay down to you more often and don't go for your throat when you are low in chips.

[ttwarrior1]

this has absolutely nothing to do with me. Leave me out of it. He colluded whether he intentionally or unintensionally did it or not.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Shut up.

[tunaguitar76]

this has absolutely nothing to do with me. Leave me out of it. He colluded whether he intentionally or unintensionally did it or not.

wrong.. did you or did you not start a thread ripping him and other players... you did. what did you think would happen? he would send you flowers for mothers day?

[playersonly69]

wrong.. did you or did you not start a thread ripping him and other players... you did. what did you think would happen? he would send you flowers for mothers day?

ARRIOR would ha
He does this shit all of the time. Guys my hand was 5-7 offsuit. The rguy who reraised was playing really tight and he went in over the top I knew that he had me beat. Had I called THEN TITYW would have made athread about how I colluded and gave him chips with nothing!!!

I didnt know this poster before this hand and I still dont know him or where he ended up finishing. I can say this that he said that he had pocket 9's at some point I believe so had I called then he would have just had more chips.


As usual titywarrior has to call the police and his mom when someone calls him fatty! Deal with it kid! You were out the next hand anyway!


And I never said shit about titywarrior being at the table before this hand. He actually wasnt at my table for very long before this hand

[ZetaPsi808]

This investigation is now in my hands, with several other members of the SBR Fraud detection squad assisting.

All involved will questioned in due course.

Mods please lock this thread now.

hawley i will assist in this investigation as well.

so far we have a possible code 4C infraction pending for PO69

[DiggityDaggityDo]

He did not collude. The other player was not in on it. He did however play his chips to keep a certain player from making the final table.

that is not illegal as far I I know???

[hawley]

hawley i will assist in this investigation as well.

so far we have a possible code 4C infraction pending for PO69

Glad to have you on board Zeta.

Still waiting for the big fulla Frizz to weigh in with his opinion here.

Guys please refrain from responding to ttwarrior. He is under investigation here and you do not want to risk being an accomplice.

[ttwarrior1]

what does it matter that your hand was 5 7 offsuit???

Not only that, he is admitting to colluding

You raised with almost 22 k in chips, he went all in for little over 1 k more and you folded

Simple stuff folks

[hawley]

what does it matter that your hand was 5 7 offsuit???

Not only that, he is admitting to colluding

You raised with almost 22 k in chips, he went all in for little over 1 k more and you folded

Simple stuff folks

tt relax pal we are on top of it.

John assigned me to investigating this for a good reason. the SBR fraud detection squad simply is the best.

We will get to the bottom of this.


lets clear something up. you are aware collusion requires the involvement of at least two parties? Collusion will not occur if only one party is in on something.

[Jayvegas420]

Youre making it seem like he was motivated by the situation, to make a move that would not benefit another player.
Did he fold a bad hand and realize that this improved another players position while hurting another's?

Aren't these all things we do when we play poker. Isn't it the goal?
Did he type things before or after the fact that lead you to believe he was colluding with the short stack? No I don't think so.
You can't unintentionally collude by the way. The phrase itself doesn't actually make any sense.
When we start deciding what motivates players to play the way they play we'd better be very certain we can prove it.
In back rooms & PM's is also not how I would conduct these types of issues so, I don't know what all the secrecy is all about BTW.

[hawley]

Jayv please get in touch with me immediately I want you on board for the remainder of this investigation.


TT please highlight the rules you think PO69 has broken here

[Jayvegas420]

I dont think I have PM privileges.
I wasn't even playing in that tournament.
I only know what I know from reading this same thread you have read.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Originally Posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj Yes... PO knows... he's just compounding his BS by more BS.

It was clear by your own words (PO) WHY you "chose to fold"... and it had nothing to do with the all-in raise (for just ~1k more after you had already raised to 2.4k).

It was b/c of THIS:

playersonly69: i just dont want titywarrior making the final table
playersonly69: i am going to fold here so he doesnt make it
downsouth: Wow
ttwarrior1: who cares
BiTeMeUsAdOj: that was dumb

**************************************** ***********

Here's the HH. Your nonsense obviously affected everyone in tourney, not just tt.


***** Hand history (v1.2) ***** Hand ID 1728930 $0 + $11 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 00:25:00 09/05/2012 ET Table 'Table 28339', 10 seats max, Real money Seat 1 is the button. Small Blind $0, Big Blind $800 Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10 Seat 1 (playing) : mih847, amount $3630, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 5 (playing) : downsouth, amount $3676, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 6 (playing) : BiTeMeUsAdOj, amount $10100, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 7 (playing) : ttwarrior1, amount $2190, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 9 (playing) : playersonly69, amount $21270, amount bet $0, penalty (None) downsouth: Big Blind ($800)

** Dealing Down Cards ** Dealt to BiTeMeUsAdOj: [6c, 6h] BiTeMeUsAdOj: Call. ($800) ttwarrior1: Fold. ($0)

playersonly69: Raise. ($2400) mih847: Raise. ($3580) downsouth: Fold. ($0) BiTeMeUsAdOj: Fold. ($0) playersonly69: Fold. ($0) ** End Round ** ** Evaluate ** mih847: Muck ($0) ** Showdown ** Main pot $7830, Rake $0 Summary mih847: bet $3580, won $7830, net $4250, won $7830 from main pot
WOW.....PO had 21,000 chips and folded to the 1k raise? And then said just because he didn't want tt to advance???

He should be banned from SBR Poker.....Or atleast suspended for a few weeks......That is BS!

I just saw this here (this was pulled from a poker forum thread)... COUPLE THINGS:

First off.. attribution is always important.

This is a MoneyLineDawg post commenting on a post by me; I did not write the following, MLD did:

WOW.....PO had 21,000 chips and folded to the 1k raise? And then said just because he didn't want tt to advance???

He should be banned from SBR Poker.....Or atleast suspended for a few weeks......That is BS!


I would appreciate in the future, tt, if you would attribute a post to its proper author.
THANK YOU.

Now, having said that, I restate what I said from the beginning: What PO did here was indeed bullshit and wrong on a number of levels; anyone thinking that doing what PO did* would not get you consequences of some sort at Full Tilt, Pokerstars, etc then, well, you're clueless... as PO's play affected EVERYONE in the tournament. If you don't understand that, well, I could explain it to you but I'd rather not and just suggest you edify/educate yourself.

Consequently, make no mistake... a site like Pokerstars would address it.
(the actual consequence is debatable)

*(clear evidence of poker action coupled with stated chat reason)

[Jayvegas420]

Doesnt he have the right to make make that move if say they were the only three left & PO decided he'd rather play short stack heads up rather than play tt heads up? (considering perhaps tt was the better player)
Instead of being considered spiteful or BULLSH|T, could it not be construed as strategy now?

[hawley]

Biteme. I need to talk to you

[LVHerbie]

Look at the bright side Titty... Considering this is the guy who bragged about losing a medical license in Mexico for killing a couple patients and abandoned his dogs in Katrina (couldn't even provide the curiosity of Romney style ride in crate tied to the top of his car), your grievance against him seems relatively minor...

[boeing power]

what does it matter that your hand was 5 7 offsuit???

Not only that, he is admitting to colluding

you raised with almost 22 k in chips, he went all in for little over 1 k more and you folded

simple stuff folks

you cannot respond to this message because poster Ttwarrior is under investigation.

[The Giant]

Considering this is the guy who bragged about losing a medical license in Mexico for killing a couple patients and abandoned his dogs in Katrina

I thought it was bad enough I saw a guy in a thong tonight, but now I'm certain that I'm completely surrounded by crazies.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Doesnt he have the right to make make that move if say they were the only three left & PO decided he'd rather play short stack heads up rather than play tt heads up? (considering perhaps tt was the better player)
Instead of being considered spiteful or BULLSH|T, could it not be construed as strategy now?

Jay... buddy... you need to focus on the actual facts of what transpired in this hand.