[bookie]

Mike I know how it is...you've got a new bussiness that you're trying to get going and no matter how you do it the environment is gray...so Lenny has a good story and at least hasn't run away and he's one of very few contacts you have in a world where you need contacts...so you say to yourself I'm going into this with my eyes open and maybe the problem isn't that they don't have the money but that they can't get it to the players and maybe I can help there...you're trying to give your partners the benefit of the doubt because you need it to be given to you.

But listen to what the people in this thread are telling you. They are speaking with one voice, and it's represents a lot of experience and a ton of market sentiment.

You don't want to help these people take in more money until they have handled their debts.

That's the bottom line. Ignore it at your bussiness peril.

[Scorpion]

I can't say for sure Scorpion, but I like to think GJ Mike has a lot more class than that.

Omega/GJ Mike is not posting anymore!
What happened?

[jjgold]

Omega/GJ Mike is not posting anymore!
What happened?

hmmmmmmmmm

[RonPaul2008]

If OMEGA is to have any respect, they must process cascade payouts BEFORE taking deposits for a while. Anyhow, i doubt too many people will use omega to deposit at cascade if they are not paying ANYONE, at least anyone who has admitted it - since MARCH. On the up side, if you can get cascade to start paying people and get people their money you will have some happy people on your hands.

That is an interesting question. Omega won't deal with anyone that we believe is not paying customers with the intent of defrauding them. Although, we have not previously had any experience with Cascade it seems clear that there are definitely some people who are waiting to be paid. In this sense it is very good news that Cascade is now working with Omega. Omega can certainly help with processing payouts. I think working with Omega is a positive sign for those customers of Cascade who have experienced delays with payouts. I sincerely hope that over the next few weeks that Omega can help resolve some of these long standing issues through our services and continue to be part of the solution for both Cascade and their customers.

[Omega Mike]

I appreciate the comments and despite the few episodes of open hostility, the I am sure well intentioned advice. We did do some research on Cascade prior to agreeing to work with them. It was represented to Omega that one of the primary motivations for Cascade becoming an Omega Merchant was to facilitate payouts.

We have entered the relationship with eyes open and an awareness of issues addressed in this forum. I will happily keep you advised of the progress with Cascade in relation to the specific issue of payouts.

I have no idea who GJ Mike is, its not me.

On a business note, its not really possible to base business decisions exclusively on what people say in online forums. If that were the case we would have trouble doing business with anybody.

I will gladly keep you posted as things progress in the next few weeks and I usually respond in this forum pretty quick to any comments.

[jjgold]

Mike I could see if the breakdown on the cascade opinions were balanced or even 30% in your favor but it is 100% not in your favor.

[Stumpage]

On a business note, its not really possible to base business decisions exclusively on what people say in online forums. If that were the case we would have trouble doing business with anybody.

True enough Mike, but the point being raised in this Forum is that they have not paid a single human being a single penny in 6 months. Surely, one would hope, that fact does not escape notice when it comes to things business decisions are based on.....

[Omega Mike]

Well the basic scenario is as follows, Cascade represents to Omega that they are interested in becoming an Omega Merchant in large part because they are interested in payout options that Omega can offer.

We are aware they have some payout issues and Omega can assist in this. The only other option would be to say no we refuse to help with payouts which would make no sense at all.

Like I said before, I see this as an opportunity for Omega to help both Cascade and their customers expecting payouts. We are closely monitoring this and I appreciate the comments and advice.

[20Four7]

Well the basic scenario is as follows, Cascade represents to Omega that they are interested in becoming an Omega Merchant in large part because they are interested in payout options that Omega can offer.

We are aware they have some payout issues and Omega can assist in this. The only other option would be to say no we refuse to help with payouts which would make no sense at all.

Like I said before, I see this as an opportunity for Omega to help both Cascade and their customers expecting payouts. We are closely monitoring this and I appreciate the comments and advice.

If you pull this off Mike your up for an SBR lifetime achievement award. GL.

[Stumpage]

Ok man, well good luck.....I don't have an account at Cascade anymore, Thank Christ, but I hope this helps out any that do, even in the slightest. Guess time will tell.....

[bigboydan]

Well the basic scenario is as follows, Cascade represents to Omega that they are interested in becoming an Omega Merchant in large part because they are interested in payout options that Omega can offer.

We are aware they have some payout issues and Omega can assist in this. The only other option would be to say no we refuse to help with payouts which would make no sense at all.

Like I said before, I see this as an opportunity for Omega to help both Cascade and their customers expecting payouts. We are closely monitoring this and I appreciate the comments and advice.

Since you conveniently side stepped my question before Mike, I'll ask it again.

So what your saying is if Cascade doesn't start paying it's players in the next two weeks you will cut off there processing with your company?

[JC]

It's very simple. Some of you who are owed by Cascade need to set up Omega accounts. Confirm with Mike that your Omega account is all good to go and request an Omega withdrawal from Cascade.

If they don't honor it, then Omega should drop them.

[bookie]

And obviously the big concern is that you will help new players deposit. If you would assure us that you won't do that, only help players by offering Cascade a payout option, then you're a good guy and your business should flourish.

If you're going to help Cascade accept deposits in advace of the payout issues being all cleared up then you're part of their scam.

[An0nym0us]

Mike, "some payout issues" and 1.7 million owed (or 2 million according to some sources) are somewhat different.

If you are concerned the people posting here are just a minority do a search for Cascade on other boards and see the messages that started in March/April this year.

[bookie]

JC posted as I was posting...but yeah...what he said.

Mike...will you come forward and agree to that kind of a deal? SBR can facilitate by contacting owed players and guiding them through setting up with your company.

[bigboydan]

It's very simple. Some of you who are owed by Cascade need to set up Omega accounts. Confirm with Mike that your Omega account is all good to go and request an Omega withdrawal from Cascade.

If they don't honor it, then Omega should drop them.

According to this it won't happen though.

Important Notes:

Cascade is under NO obligation to make payouts by any alternate method other than the method used to make your original deposit.

http://www.betcascade.com/cashier_notes.asp

[Omega Mike]

With all do respect to bigboydan I am not going to guarantee a business arrangement with another company in an online forum. I am sincere in what I meant about our sensitivity to the current issues that are addressed here and we will keep this in mind with Casacade or any other company that Omega does business with.

I dont think I will start working on my SBR lifetime achievement award speech just yet but lets see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

[SBR Lou]

With all do respect to bigboydan I am not going to guarantee a business arrangement with another company in an online forum.

I love how you keep referencing SBR being an online forum, this is the second time you've done this. We're your potential customers, look at the volume of this site, if it were just an online forum why did you bother creating an account to promote your business? You obviously were aware of the benefits of promoting your services to your target crowd, at arguably the best sports betting forum on the net.

You have a very elusive way of answering questions Omega Mike, and I honestly get a scummy vibe from you, you can talk well but I see you as a salesman type who has his own interest in mind.

I dont think I will start working on my SBR lifetime achievement award speech just yet but lets see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

So you want people to load up onto a deadbeat book right now, then "see how things go?". Why don't you come right out and say that players will start getting paid before any money is deposited into Cascade? You really don't realize how much you have to gain if you stop angling us and talk straight. Your primary concern should not be rocking the boat with Cascade! Your primary concern is establishing your company as a trustworthy brand, I almost think Netellers old FAQ was more reassuring than everything you've said in this thread.

Actions>Words, Mike.

[Neteller]

With all do respect to bigboydan I am not going to guarantee a business arrangement with another company in an online forum. I am sincere in what I meant about our sensitivity to the current issues that are addressed here and we will keep this in mind with Casacade or any other company that Omega does business with.

I dont think I will start working on my SBR lifetime achievement award speech just yet but lets see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

You shouldn't have to vouch for anyone, You run a business that provides financial transactions not watchdog police website. I think everyone forgets Neteller allowed any merchant to use there service including many scamming sportsbooks and look how successful they are. This is a bunch of shills and crybabies trying to play judge. Omega don't need your personal business when they already process more payouts from sportsbook.com alone then what you could hardily imagine. I think its a great thing what your doing Mike and wish you the best of luck.

I thought this place claimed "the only true non biased review site"
Looks pretty biased to me, Get A Life.......

[bigboydan]

With all do respect to bigboydan I am not going to guarantee a business arrangement with another company in an online forum. I am sincere in what I meant about our sensitivity to the current issues that are addressed here and we will keep this in mind with Casacade or any other company that Omega does business with.

I dont think I will start working on my SBR lifetime achievement award speech just yet but lets see how things go over the next couple of weeks.

I can respect your decision from a business standpoint Mike. However, you knew of the Cascade situation before even setting them up, and still pursued the deal with them. What makes it even worse though is the fact that you came in here and had the balls to post on this forum about it like they were a reputable book when you knew they are a no pay book.

My last question to you sir is how can you justify your actions, especially knowing of the current situation before hand?

[freebie]

We did do some research on Cascade prior to agreeing to work with them. It was represented to Omega that one of the primary motivations for Cascade becoming an Omega Merchant was to facilitate payouts.

Well obviously you haven't done a thorough research.

On a business note, its not really possible to base business decisions exclusively on what people say in online forums. If that were the case we would have trouble doing business with anybody.

Then why are you selling your product on SBR forum?
In this case, your reputation is already in trouble

You just shot yourself in the foot by posting relationship with a well known stiff book that's waiting for post up only.
And you're the perfect company for their situation.

Good luck and you won't see me bothering with this thread and Omega ever again.

[bookie]

I am sincere in what I meant about our sensitivity to the current issues that are addressed here...

I don't think you are sincere because otherwise you would acknowledge what's being said to you.

Let me ask you a question. I just want a yes or no answer. Let's say I want to deposit $1000 at Cascade. Can I open up an account with your company and make that deposit?

Yes or no?

[HedgeHog]

Better yet, say I want to make a $1000 (or more) withdrawal from Cascade. How do I set-up an account with Omega Mike to accomplish this (fat chance). Withdrawals should start first, Omega Mike, otherwise you are knowingly perpetuating fraud with Cascade.

[cobra_king]

Mike, you seem to be missing the entire point of what everyone is saying. Even if you have everyone's best intentions at heart, Cascade has NO MONEY to pay anyone. That's the bottom line. You would have been doing yourself a favor by waiting until they started paying somebody, anybody, before aligning yourselves with them. At that point, your reputation would not have been tarnished the way it has been.

As for Mr. Neteller, first of all, not sure why someone who clearly does not work for neteller would be allowed to post under that name. And secondly i'd be shocked if Mr. Neteller was not a ghost for someone else working at Omega.

[Stumpage]

As for Mr. Neteller, first of all, not sure why someone who clearly does not work for neteller would be allowed to post under that name. And secondly i'd be shocked if Mr. Neteller was not a ghost for someone else working at Omega.

Yeah, "Neteller's" post was pretty humorous.....Reading it over, it honestly sounds like Omega Mike's mother running out to the street and blasting some kids who are picking on him. Must work in the cubicle next to him, I reckon.....

[WileOut]

Question, was cascade not paying people because they are stiffing or do they really have processor issues?

[d2bets]

Question, was cascade not paying people because they are stiffing or do they really have processor issues?

It has to be more than processor issues because prior to ceasing payouts they did sportsbook transfers with a number of books. That stopped cold as well.

Mike, you talk about the main purpose of Omega is to help Cascade process payouts. If I signed up with Omega today, would I be able to request a Cascade withdrawal and receive it? Please be sure to post here when someone if actually paid from Cascade through Omega. Thanks. The proof is in the putting.

[atakdog]

I guess SBR doesn't rate eWallet-type operations; maybe it should. And I'm willing to bet that the decisions Omega seems to be making, and their attitude about those decisions, would warrant a downgrade to somewhere in the D- range.

But then, this is just an online forum, and Cascade did represent to Omega that they would be interested in paying players through Omega; I mean, seriously, what could Omega do but accept? And then, of course they would announce the new relationship on a forum in which there had been extensive and ongoing discussion of how their new business partners were a bunch of thieves, and in which opinions regarding those partners' current business practices were negative without exception. And of course they would refuse to guarantee that they'd play fair if it did turn out that the partners were thieves.

I suppose U.S. laws don't apply, but in the United States it looks like Omega would be guilty of conspiracy to defraud, and fraud itself (as an accessory); I believe all the elements are at least colorably satisfied. But gee, maybe we should just wait a couple weeks and see how it goes...

Anyone planning on using Omega to deposit into Cascade?

[ritehook]

Anyone planning on using Omega to deposit into Cascade?

Yes. I am.

With Monopoly money.

[White_Tiger]

Omega Mike. I'll be the 1st one here to support your site as long as you can do this to me.
I have 4k stuck @ betcascade so will you please send me 2k and I'll leave my 2k there @ Omega and bet on my NFL action on it. Both win for me and Omega, when Omega send me my 2k I know that Omega will pay me when I want so I'll have trust Omega on that.

[paul Mordeeb]

If after a month of money going into cascade and none coming out. Would this justify an investagation by Omega?

Omega Mike sounds like a political canidated. Talking but not saying anything!!!

[20Four7]

As for Mr. Neteller, first of all, not sure why someone who clearly does not work for neteller would be allowed to post under that name. And secondly i'd be shocked if Mr. Neteller was not a ghost for someone else working at Omega.

What I find most amusing is Mr. Neteller seems to know how much Omega process's through sportsbook.com? And if he is a ghost he's stupid because he came out and said Omega doesn't need our personal business. Good, because next time I'm going to send 2K somewhere it won't be to omega. Moneybookers despite their awful customer service is looking better all the time.

[homedog]

This stinks to high heaven.

bookie, I believe you have this one read right.

[Omega Mike]

Well, it has been a fascinating couple of days on this thread. Lets get a few things straight.

I am not Mr. Neteller and he is not anybody I know nor anybody with Omega. Its not my style to make up names to post in forums nor do I need anyone to defend me. I can hold my own but, thanks anyway.

I do sincerely appreciate what I do believe was friendly advice by the forum members and you can be assured that how I described the events is exactly how they unfolded.

Cascade has requested that they no longer be a merchant of Omega. So effective immediately Omega and Cascade have no further relationship.

Hopefully, that will bring an end to this thread. I wish everyone at Cascade the best of luck and to their customers as well.

[michael777]

mike,thanks for the info