1. 01-12-12 11:24 AM #1
    UPSEXPRESS
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    Seriously people its very simple!!!

    OK so first off i really don't understand when i look up a sportsbook and scroll through the player reviews how one guy can have recieved a 5k cashiers check in 2 business days and gives payouts and A rating and the guy right below him gives an F says he either didn't get his money or they are giving him the run around and its been about a month. Well here is the problem. If you are located in the UNITED STATES my advice to you would be to not use any deposit option other than ** or **.......Trust me the fee is worth it. When you deposit with any type of plastic you may encounter errors later like the sportsbook company saying the charge was reversed by the bank who issued the CC or there was an error and because the deposit failed all winnings have been forfeited. Any deposit that does not go through and there are winnings involved every site states in its terms and agreements that you are not entitled to those winnings. Another thing. Once you have won money and you have recieved comfirmation that the charge went through on your card. They are going to ask for what? DOCUMENTATION WOW amazing.....this thus puts another snag in the withdrawal process. You will likely need to send in an array of documents. Including fronts and backs of any cards used and drivers license maybe a second id and likey proof of address. Many people feel like this is BULLSH*t WELL let me tell you. Stop using plastic. When you deposit ** OR ** you have to show your id at the couter and on top of that when the sportsbooks' (person of contact) goes to pick up the money they have to verifiy that it came from you. Otherwise it will be declined and you will be entitled to a refund until the correct sender is verified. This is the difference between the guy who deposited via CC and via person to person........and also when you do echecks and bank checks and stuff yeah half the time money will be rejected by the bank or "blacklisted" avoid any type of deposits with your personl bank accounts seriously people so many things can go wrong and i dont care if u made 10 dollars or 65,000 if u deposit via *************** or through a third party there is likely going to be a snag that could either cost you your winnings or several months of impatience and agony.

    Mike

    (sorry for the spelling and typos)
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  2. 01-12-12 11:25 AM #2
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    Pretty good for your second post. Not reading all that.
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  3. 01-12-12 11:27 AM #3
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    and in related news

    grass is green
    the sun is yellow
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  4. 01-12-12 11:28 AM #4
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    SO BASICALLY WHAT I AM SAYING IS USE PERSON TO PERSON AND YOU WILL HAVE AN B+ TO AN A+ EXPERIENCE.......And if you deposit with a CC and then lose and then deposit via person to person....guess what....they are still going to want to see documentation and likely fronts and backs of however many ccs that you used. Pick a site and don't ever use a CC and you really cant have any problems unless the site is a scam which we all should know which sites to avoid because of this wonderful website.
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  5. 01-12-12 11:30 AM #5
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    and what you are saying is known by 99% of the people here
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  6. 01-12-12 11:34 AM #6
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    obviously not based on player reviews.................i don't see how anyone could have a problem getting their money.....
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  7. 01-12-12 11:34 AM #7
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    go back to throwing packages over people's gated fences and getting it put on youtube
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  8. 01-12-12 11:37 AM #8
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    Obviously.. and i'm much too paranoid to ever consider giving any serious personal info to an offshore company to begin with... I'm sure it's fine usually, but I'd be more comfortable if Achalendra Picobar didn't know my bank account info etc.
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  9. 01-12-12 11:40 AM #9
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    Well too bad your bank account numbers and social security number are for sale all over the internet anyway. You may want to deny it but if someone wanted to they could get it very easily and you don't give out anything but cash and a photo ID when you deposit via person to person
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  10. 01-12-12 11:42 AM #10
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    i've never even given a photo ID when depositing p2p
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  11. 01-12-12 11:46 AM #11
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    Trust me man i have seen it all...i got a little over 90k on fulltilt poker stuck on there and i invested my life into that site. I have never trusted anyone more and i have had better luck with sportsbook sites. Hit a 32k 12 teamer baseball parlay on sportsbook.com guess what didn't use a CC i got paid. All of it. Hit a 12k parlay on BetUs.com guess what didn't use a CC got paid 0 problems. Made a person to person deposit on pokerstars when i got started. A month after blackfriday (online pokers black friday) got a paid. All of it. Used freaking ccs and echecks on fulltilt and now only people who deposited via person to person will get their money.......trust me been gambling online i dropped out of college to bet sports and play poker and im top rated in the world......i know alot about all of it...and to hear that someone cant get their money it is because they ****** UP!
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  12. 01-12-12 11:53 AM #12
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    yeah over 1k gotta show an id for p2p.......under 1k you dont but when they pick the money up it has to be your name.....
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  13. 01-12-12 11:54 AM #13
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    why have you never been here before if you are so great and knowledgeable

    how "top rated" are you at poker? give us a name so we can verify
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  14. 01-12-12 12:03 PM #14
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    i got a few screen names that i play on.........AIRKID23 ON UB/AP (site shut down and isn't paying anyone luckily i only had a little under 5k on there).........AIRKID23 ON Pokerstars ...i currently play on merge network now...i am a pro on RPM poker...bigsh0tbob is my username (i multi table .50/1.00 and 1.00/2.00......my fulltilt account was mikeisgood.........it has such been removed from full tilt and my money...like most peoples money......
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  15. 01-12-12 12:07 PM #15
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    and i shouldn't say i know that much about sports cuz i don't...i just understand ways of turning losing bets into winnings...like taking a halftime line to either hedge or break even and my specialty is parlays and hedging parlay bets....i just feel straight wagering is a losing deal.....bet parlays and you can potentially crush weekends of college and nfl football and daytime soccer lol......
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  16. 01-12-12 01:38 PM #16
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    ok cool

    we are very skeptical around here when people start posting about big numbers and withdrawals

    might want to keep it more on the down low since you are breaking at least a couple laws (unless you filed fbar reports every year, and unless you reported every time you won a bet to irs)
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  17. 01-12-12 02:22 PM #17
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    believe me i pay my taxes......people who value online poker and internet sportsbetting will kindly pay their taxes because they want to keep it around.
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  18. 01-12-12 02:39 PM #18
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    Dude we're gonna need some more punctuation if you want us to read all that.
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  19. 01-12-12 04:22 PM #19
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    Didn't read.
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  20. 01-12-12 04:22 PM #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by UPSEXPRESS View Post
    believe me i pay my taxes......people who value online poker and internet sportsbetting will kindly pay their taxes because they want to keep it around.
    just because you "pay your taxes" doesn't mean you are following all the rules.

    did you file a fbar report showing every dollar you had overseas each year?

    did you report every single time you won even $1 on a sports bet as gross income? irs and the states wouldn't let you just net out your wins and losses for each day like they do with poker sessions.

    see how silly it gets to follow the letter of the law?

    in wisconsin they don't allow you to claim losses. so if you made $500,000 and lost $500,000 in a year (breaking even) you would report on page 1 and itemize on the federal return. but for wisconsin you would owe $35k in taxes even though you didn't profit.
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  21. 01-12-12 04:26 PM #21
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    The Treasury Department may impose very stiff penalties for failing to file TD F 90-22.1.
    "Civil and criminal penalties, including in certain circumstances a fine of not more than $500,000 and imprisonment of not more than five years, are provided for failure to file a report, supply information, and for filing a false or fraudulent report." (From the Privacy Act Notice on Form 90-22.1)

    so by admitting you had $90,000 at full tilt i hope you are reporting it
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