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Listen to him, Joe...he's right

Listen to this guy Joe, he's right.

[juicername]

Listen to this guy Joe, he's right.

Joe, these guys are right.

Also, didn't read OP, way too long.

[JoeCool20]

If you know a bad line is posted, don't play it...nothing good can come of it. That's just common sense.

LOL Did you not even read what I posted? Geez man, For the TENTH TIME you NUTBAG! HOW THE FUK IS A PLAYER SUPPOSED TO "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES TO AVOID BECAUSE THEY ARE "BAD" AND WHICH LINES ARE NOT "BAD?"

Did we go to "odds maker school" to be able to know what the "good odds" are & which are "bad" odds? LOL

Do we have a "bad lines crystal ball" to look at so we know which lines to avoid betting on? LOL It's absurd!

[sourtwist]

LOL Did you not even read what I posted? Geez man, For the TENTH TIME you NUTBAG! HOW THE FUK IS A PLAYER SUPPOSED TO "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES ARE "BAD" AND WHICH LINES ARE NOT "BAD?"

Did we go to "odds maker school" to be able to know what the "good odds" are & which are "bad" odds? LOL

Do we have a "bad lines crystal ball" to look at so we know which lines to avoid betting on? LOL It's absurd!

I know the details

The line was wrong, and was knowingly played anyway

Are there any other details that matter, you fukkin moron?

[JoeCool20]

I think you picked the wrong case to go on this rampage about Joe.

Your point is fine, that as players we should support players and not books first.

But sometimes denouncing those that try to cheat IS putting players first.

95% of us just want to bet fairly and be treated fairly. It's that other 5% that make it so hard for everyone.

LOL Once again you have called a player a "cheat" simply because he made a bet on a line that THE DAMN SPORTSBOOK ALLOWED BETS ON!! I HAVE TO THINK YOU ARE EITHER JOKING OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD "CHEAT" MEANS!!



Lets just put it this way ok. if some idiot Sports-book left a live line the same after a 3 run homer, and opened it up for betting, then I'm going to bet the dog-sheit out of it for a lot of money.

I'm sure as hell not going to make myself the "odds judge" of whether they made a mistake or not!

I'm there to bet and try to beat them out of all I can.

I'm NOT there to try and "guess" at which lines are "bad lines" and then make sure I don't bet them! That's idiotic.

[sourtwist]

Guy takes a shot....and wants to be able to take more. Wants people to agree with him at any cost, even when 100% wrong

Guy is joecool

[dlowilly]

It's obviously angle shooting, but what about those lines you see for example at 5dimes that are -99999 for whatever reason? I'm sure they gladly accept a bet on that.

[JoeCool20]

And quite frankly, anybody on here who says they wouldn't bet a live line that stayed the same after a 3 run homer because they "wouldn't want to take advantage of the poor sportsbook" is either lying, or a flaming moron who is gay for the damn sportsbooks!!

So go ahead and say which lines you would "guess" were bad lines and you wouldn't bet them against the poor sportsbooks! (LOL How dumb!)

And then pull your britches down & let the high & mighty sportsbook put it way up your asses because you are gay for them!

[juicername]

LOL Once again you have called a player a "cheat" simply because he made a bet on a line that THE DAMN SPORTSBOOK ALLOWED BETS ON!! I HAVE TO THINK YOU ARE EITHER JOKING OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD "CHEAT" MEANS!!



Lets just put it this way ok. if some idiot Sports-book left a live line the same after a 3 run homer, and opened it up for betting, then I'm going to bet the dog-sheit out of it for a lot of money.

I'm sure as hell not going to make myself the "odds judge" of whether they made a mistake or not!

I'm there to bet and try to beat them out of all I can.

I'm NOT there to try and "guess" at which lines are "bad lines" and then make sure I don't bet them! That's idiotic.

And you are completely free to bet those lines as you wish.

Would be pretty stupid though knowing you're freerolling yourself and likely to banned from the book if they catch you do it repeatedly.

Your call.

[sourtwist]

You're not wrong

We just happen to live in a time in which people would rather conform to a popular idea rather than have a thought of their own

And also this comes to mind

"Do what I say, not what I do"

People want to look like they have integrity by ratting others out

I also like when people are worried about other people paying their taxes...because they pay theirs.

Voluntary idiots

This is all correct except for my very first line

Guy is a dum dum

[JoeCool20]

Guy takes a shot....and wants to be able to take more. Wants people to agree with him at any cost, even when 100% wrong

Guy is joecool

LOL Dude!

Try to read what I have already posted so you don't make a total fool of yourself! I've already said I didn't do it! But if some idiot Sports-book left a live line the same after a 3 run homer, and opened it up for betting, then I'd bet the dog-sheit out of it for a lot of money. I'm not the "odds judge" of whether they made a mistake or not, and NEITHER are YOU!

If you wouldn't bet it after some idiot Sports-book left the line the same after a 3 run homer, or you think that is "taking a shot" or "cheating the poor little sportsbook", then you are a flaming dumb-ass idiot!

[KVB]

I think you picked the wrong case to go on this rampage about Joe.

Your point is fine, that as players we should support players and not books first.

But sometimes denouncing those that try to cheat IS putting players first.

95% of us just want to bet fairly and be treated fairly. It's that other 5% that make it so hard for everyone.

I was going to say something similar. Books do have a right to protect themselves and some of us regulars do like order in the marketplace.

It's unfortunate that some players have to suffer and be treated like they do because the books are rightfully protecting from those seeking to get that type of edge.

I do believe that if the book accepts the bet, they should honor it but I also understand that systems in place make it sometimes a widespread problem with some games.

As long as the book returns both sides of those bets and doesn't freeroll then I believe bettors in the marketplace should understand a negated wager when it is obviously off market. They don't have to know to begin with, they can learn.

They also don't need to be accused of something. Just return the bets and move on to the next game.

It's best for everyone.

[JoeCool20]

And you are completely free to bet those lines as you wish.

Would be pretty stupid though knowing you're freerolling yourself and likely to banned from the book if they catch you do it repeatedly.

Your call.

LOL Of course I'm there to bet ANY line that is open to bet on. I'm NOT there to "guess" at which lines I'd be "free-rolling" on, because I'm not the "free-roll judge" of the lines they put out!!

And if some sportsbook banned me for betting on things that THEY put out and allowed betting on, then that would be grossly unfair of them wouldn't it?

[jts1207]

You aren't going to win this argument.

I've seen bad lines posted before and I don't play them because it's meaningless.

[Optional]

LOL Once again you have called a player a "cheat" simply because he made a bet on a line that THE DAMN SPORTSBOOK ALLOWED BETS ON!! I HAVE TO THINK YOU ARE EITHER JOKING OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORD "CHEAT" MEANS!!



Lets just put it this way ok. if some idiot Sports-book left a live line the same after a 3 run homer, and opened it up for betting, then I'm going to bet the dog-sheit out of it for a lot of money.

I'm sure as hell not going to make myself the "odds judge" of whether they made a mistake or not!

I'm there to bet and try to beat them out of all I can.

I'm NOT there to try and "guess" at which lines are "bad lines" and then make sure I don't bet them! That's idiotic.

You must have never done this to say that Joe. It works out badly for the bettor a lot of the time. Especially if you go bang with much larger than your average bet size on one. Books take that as proof you knowingly took the shot and offshores never react well to it if noticed.

[KVB]

You aren't going to win this argument.

I've seen bad lines posted before and I don't play them because it's meaningless.

Right, and if you didn't know, it's ok because you will learn. It's like another bad beat the first time, then you know that it's the rules.

Even if you want to make it players together against the book, there are a still rules to the game.

[JoeCool20]

**"As long as the book returns both sides of those bets and doesn't freeroll then I believe bettors in the marketplace should understand a negated wager when it is obviously off market. They don't have to know to begin with, they can learn."**


BEST post yet buddy! They can screw up and cancel any live bet they want to if it looks like it was an obvious mistake.

But these idiots on here telling the PLAYER that HE should have "guessed" that the line was bad, and not bet it in the first place is freaking stupid!!

IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE SHOULD AVOID BETTING ON! THAT'S INSANELY STUPID!!!

​I'd bet it EVERY fukin time and let THEM be the "judge" of which ones they were going to steal back from me!

[JoeCool20]

Right, and if you didn't know, it's ok because you will learn. It's like another bad beat the first time, then you know that it's the rules.

Even if you want to make it players together against the book, there are a still rules to the game.

LOL Buddy, what you will "learn" is that I will bet it every time If I see that a line is in my favor!! ​I'd bet it EVERY fukin time and let THEM be the "judge" of which ones they were going to steal back from me!


They can screw up and cancel any live bet they want to afterward if it looks like it was an obvious mistake.

But these idiots on here telling the PLAYER that HE should have "guessed" that the line was bad, and not bet it in the first place if freaking stupid!!

IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE SHOULD AVOID BETTING ON! THAT'S INSANELY STUPID!!!

[JoeCool20]

You aren't going to win this argument.

I've seen bad lines posted before and I don't play them because it's meaningless.

LOL It's not a "win or lose" I'm telling you that if somebody scores 2 runs and a place leaves their live line the same, then I'm going to fukin bet it!



How many lines have you not bet on lines that you "guessed" were bad that really weren't? Well you cost yourself money on every one of them that you "guessed" wrong on!

I'd NEVER do that dumb sheit!! I'm not there to "guess" at which lines I should and shouldn't bet on!

[jts1207]

You're playing stupid here pal.

If the team was down a run and the line was say +180....they don't hit the 3 run bomb and are now up 2 runs and line stays at +180....more like -220 or more

Stop playing victim here

[JoeCool20]

You must have never done this to say that Joe. It works out badly for the bettor a lot of the time. Especially if you go bang with much larger than your average bet size on one. Books take that as proof you knowingly took the shot and offshores never react well to it if noticed.

It's fine opti-man!! I promise!!!
ALL of you that want to can avoid betting on lines that you think are "too good to be true"!! LOL
I promise the poor Sportsbooks love you to death for doing that! (They are also laughing their ass off that you would try and "guess" in favor of THEM which lines you think are "bad lines" LOL) I'd never do that for them!

Because for me, I didn't send my money to these places to be the "bad lines judge" or to "guess" at which lines are "bad" and which one's aren't!!!

IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE SHOULD AVOID BETTING ON!

[jts1207]

LOL It's not a "win or lose" I'm telling you that if somebody scores 2 runs and a place leaves their live line the same, then I'm going to fukin bet it!



How many lines have you not bet that you "guessed" were bad that really weren't? Well you cost yourself money on every one of them that you "guessed" wrong on!

I'd NEVER do that dumb sheit!! I'm not there to "guess" at which lines I should and shouldn't bet on!

It's not about guessing it's common sense.

Pound bad lines all you want and see how well it works out for you.

[KVB]

I've called books before and let them know they were hanging bad lines.

That's the difference between the two of us JoeCool.

I've never called on a live line though, they usually aren't up very long.

[TheSchafe]

I mean you have a point as far as who wouldn't take a shot at a past posted line but you had to know that books hate players who try this, too. I remember the same thing happened with BEANTOWN JIM and 5 Dimes. Tony ended up posting a thread here in response to an e-mail Jim sent 5 Dimes when he was trying to get his account there back after the incident. "No chance in hell. Sincerely, 5 Dimes Player Management" Classic shit.

It is us against the books here. As far as us trying to work together dissecting lines and getting on the right side. Not necessarily in the case of trying to pull a fast one on them.

[JoeCool20]

You're playing stupid here pal.

If the team was down a run and the line was say +180....they don't hit the 3 run bomb and are now up 2 runs and line stays at +180....more like -220 or more

Stop playing victim here

LOL Buddy, that would be the greatest post on earth if ONLY you were the one making the lines after that happened!

But you are the PLAYER!!! NOT THE LINES-MAKER!! You are the one that can bet your money if they left the line at +180!
But you must take it up the ass from these S-books, so you wouldn't bet!

Well I'm not gay for the S-books, so I WOULD bet it!

IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE SHOULD AVOID BETTING ON! THAT'S INSANELY STUPID!!!

[JoeCool20]

I mean you have a point as far as who wouldn't take a shot at a past posted line but you had to know that books hate players who try this, too. I remember the same thing happened with BEANTOWN JIM and 5 Dimes. Tony ended up posting a thread here in response to an e-mail Jim sent 5 Dimes when he was trying to get his account there back after the incident. "No chance in hell. Sincerely, 5 Dimes Player Management" Classic shit.

It is us against the books here. As far as us trying to work together dissecting lines and getting on the right side. Not necessarily in the case of trying to pull a fast one on them.

How do you know which lines that you bet are considered "pulling a fast one on them"? You don't because THEY put them out for wagering on!

As for this "Tony at 5 dimes" dude. I'd never send money there to save my life now that I know he told someone:


"We made a mistake on a line, and it is 100% OUR fault, but we are going to blame you for betting it and close your account."

Wow I believe you, but that's tough as hell.

My answer would quickly be: "So if you HADN'T made a mistake on a line, then I'd still have an account there?"

LOL

[sourtwist]

Merry-go-round

[jts1207]

Which way do you want it?

You can't say Im not an odds maker and don't know what lines should be one minute....

Then say when you see a bad line you're going to pound it every time the next.

Which is it lol

[JMobile]

Saloon

[JoeCool20]

Which way do you want it?

You can't say Im not an odds maker and don't know what lines should be one minute....

Then say when you see a bad line you're going to pound it every time the next.

Which is it lol

LOL remember YOU are the one appointing YOURSELF the "guesser" at which lines are "bad" and which one's aren't!!

Not me! I'd never do that, I'm just the bettor, not the "bad lines guesser"!! LOL

My WHOLE DAMN POINT is saying that I'd NEVER appoint myself the judge or "guesser" of which lines are "bad" and which one's aren't!!

For the tenth time, IT'S NOT THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY TO TRY AND "GUESS" AT WHICH LINES HE SHOULD AVOID BETTING ON! THAT'S INSANELY STUPID!!!

[jts1207]

Again it's called common fukkn sense which you have made abundantly clear you have 0 of.

Get lost clown.

[JoeCool20]

LOL

[JoeCool20]

Again it's called common fukkn sense which you have made abundantly clear you have 0 of.

Get lost clown.

LOL Buddy, you keep on "guessing" at which lines you think are "common sense bad lines" and you avoid betting them!

LOL I'd never do that dumb sheit in favor of the S-book, and it's hard to believe you really would either!


But maybe you are that obtuse!

[jts1207]

This clown ....plays victim he doesn't know betting lines and how they work but can spot only the bad lines to pound. Get the fukk outa here.

[TheSchafe]

How do you know which lines that you bet are considered "pulling a fast one on them"? You don't because THEY put them out for wagering on!

As for this "Tony at 5 dimes" dude. I'd never send money there to save my life now that I know he told someone:


"We made a mistake on a line, and it is 100% OUR fault, but we are going to blame you for betting it and close your account."

Wow I believe you, but that's tough as hell.

My answer would quickly be: "So if you HADN'T made a mistake on a line, then I'd still have an account there?"

LOL

Honestly, as far as Tony goes, I wouldn't put it past him as the self-proclaimed "God" of his little universe to set traps like these for problem players like Jeem. I haven't played with them in several years, but I do remember them being slow in freezing lines when they're supposed to from a live betting standpoint.