[RITZ]

All that talk about sharps and Kansas dog play just goes to show again it's ok to go with the public IF it's the best team and the right play. Don't blindly follow the against the public crap. Kentucky was a public play/the right play. Sharps not so sharp now as public is counting their winnings!

[MoneyLineDawg]

Sharp/Public shit is dead now with everyone having access to almost everything.....Vegas makes their money now on trap lines over time with info the public either overlooks or has no access to

[onlooker]

I was sharp, because I didn't bet the game.

[ZetaPsi808]

1 game sample size pal.

[Housemoney]

Lost $500 + points on Kansas and I am far from sharp.

[zoo youk]

kentucky was the "sharp play"

just cause someone picks an under dog doesnt always mean its "sharp"

[Illusivecone]

I'm sharp. I cashed on both KU and UK

Live betting FTW!

[CrazyCarl]

The public doesn't always lose, just usually. Case in point, NFL last year, vegas got beat for the year I believe and lost many weeks on the plays that the public hammered and the sharps bet along with vegas.

I was shocked the refs weren't for KU this game -- I actually think UK got 2-3 more calls compared to what it deserved (not blaming the loss on the refs -- UK deserved it). Very interesting, perhaps Vegas didn't have the fix on in this game.

If you feel really good about a game, and have solid reasons to back it up, bet it and don't worry about the public. But fading the public does well overtime, so it's something to keep in mind on games you're less sure about.

[ChalkyDog]

I'm sharp. I cashed on both KU and UK

Live betting FTW!

Heard that! Didn't live bet, but cashed on both sides on 2 different halves.

The game was easy money... for anyone that followed cbb this year, or at the very least this tourney.

[Ralphie Halves]

I'm a tailer (hit the under, thanks IC!!), but it always seems like the "sharp play" is automatically the dog on a neutral court. Any truth to that?

[CrazyCarl]

I'm a tailer (hit the under, thanks IC!!), but it always seems like the "sharp play" is automatically the dog on a neutral court. Any truth to that?

The sharp play is fading the public. -Especially- if the public bets heavy on one side and Vegas refuses to shift the lines.

The public gets more hyped up about good teams and also overreacts to bad weeks, so yes, underdogs and bad teams do turn out to be "sharp plays" more often than the favorites do.

[peacebyinches]

no. sharps is not a real thing, everyone; everywhere; who has done anything; ever; is not a sharp, we are all apart of the public.

the very degenerate, dumb, smelly, public

[CrazyCarl]

no. sharps is not a real thing, everyone; everywhere; who has done anything; ever; is not a sharp, we are all apart of the public.

the very degenerate, dumb, smelly, public

The public means the majority in this sense. But I guess it's cool to take it out of context.

[Illusivecone]

no. sharps is not a real thing, everyone; everywhere; who has done anything; ever; is not a sharp, we are all apart of the public.

the very degenerate, dumb, smelly, public

I don't think I can more vehemently disagree with a post

Speak to a random person in a sports bar

[byronbb]

Were they on the over too???

[InTheDrink]

The public doesn't always lose, just usually. Case in point, NFL last year, vegas got beat for the year I believe and lost many weeks on the plays that the public hammered and the sharps bet along with vegas.

I was shocked the refs weren't for KU this game -- I actually think UK got 2-3 more calls compared to what it deserved (not blaming the loss on the refs -- UK deserved it). Very interesting, perhaps Vegas didn't have the fix on in this game.

If you feel really good about a game, and have solid reasons to back it up, bet it and don't worry about the public. But fading the public does well overtime, so it's something to keep in mind on games you're less sure about.

You did so well in the other thread but this is a total fail

The public hits 50% over time. Tail them or fade them you're still gonna pay the juice. Add in shit money management that most have and there you have why books crush most bettors.

[CrazyCarl]

Were they on the over too???

I never saw the statistics but I'm pretty sure the public hammered the over.

[convick]

How do you know sharps werent on Kentucky?

[CrazyCarl]

You did so well in the other thread but this is a total fail

The public hits 50% over time. Tail them or fade them you're still gonna pay the juice. Add in shit money management that most have and there you have why books crush most bettors.

Not sure which thread you're talking about, but thanks.

Majority does not hit 50% of the time, that's just wrong (talking about games with the majority largely on one side). Just look it up. Most sharp plays do do well over time, and most sharps lost in the NFL last year while the public had an unusually good year. There are trap lines all the time and it's not wrong to say that vegas usually wins them. No, they don't always get, and don't always want 50% action on both sides. And when they don't, Vegas usually wins. Fact.

But what you were saying about ridiculous money management is absolutely right.

[vaas187]

i was sharp because i made 5 K today

but i've lost my fair share recent so this is a nice change

[InTheDrink]

Not sure which thread you're talking about, but thanks.

Majority does not hit 50% of the time, that's just wrong. Just look it up. Most sharp plays do do well over time, and most sharps lost in the NFL last year while the public had an unusually good year. There are trap lines all the time and it's not wrong to say that vegas usually wins them. No, they don't always get, and don't always want 50% action on both sides. And when they don't, Vegas usually wins. Fact.

No offense guy but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Go ahead and watch any of these capping contests that they have on here on sbr and after thousands and thousands of plays every contest the total aggregate hits right around 50%.

And if you read these threads around here you know that most are not "sharps" on here.

[CrazyCarl]

No offense guy but you have no idea what you're talking about.

Go ahead and watch any of these capping contests that they have on here on sbr and after thousands and thousands of plays every contest the total aggregate hits right around 50%.

And if you read these threads around here you know that most are not "sharps" on here.

I edited my post a bit to make it a bit more clear while you were replying. I'm not talking about ALL bets, I'm only talking about the ones where the public is largely on one side.

Sharp plays do do well generally and if you ignore that then you are ignoring many years that back it up.

[BettingWizard]

temporary loan


brock is proof of this

[InTheDrink]

I edited my post a bit to make it a bit more clear while you were replying. I'm not talking about ALL bets, I'm only talking about the ones where the public is largely on one side.

Sharp plays do do well generally and if you ignore that then you are ignoring many years that back it up.

Well that makes more sense but as someone posted earlier that edge is gone. Watch any number of the reverse line movement threads on here and you'll see that they'll go on a run and then take a bath...but ultimately end up around 50% with a loss. The problem is that the "public" knows about some of these angles and jumps on so it's not an angle anymore.

[convick]

I edited my post a bit to make it a bit more clear while you were replying. I'm not talking about ALL bets, I'm only talking about the ones where the public is largely on one side.

Sharp plays do do well generally and if you ignore that then you are ignoring many years that back it up.

You talking 55-45 split? 60/40? 70/30? 80/20? What, by your definition, constitutes a "large" public play?

[Duff85]

All that talk about sharps and Kansas dog play just goes to show again it's ok to go with the public IF it's the best team and the right play. Don't blindly follow the against the public crap. Kentucky was a public play/the right play. Sharps not so sharp now as public is counting their winnings!

Yo Ritzy - enjoy the win today - its just a loan. Anyone who is sharp at sports betting knows that any game is just one tiny investment. They bet accordingly - donks like you crack some wood over "good teams" and bet regardless of value. So yep you won today, but the books will get their money back bro.

There is a reason Blowvada will let you bet any amount you want on any game, yet most of the "so-called sharps" can't get shit down. Think about it.

[19th Hole]

I never saw the statistics but I'm pretty sure the public hammered the over.

65% Over
35% Under
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62% Ky
38% Kan
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MoneyLine
Kan 27%
Ky 73%
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Sharps" has become overused and meaningless by
people throwing terms around randomly.

Today everyone has access to necessary information
and there is no excuse for not making an informed, intelligent
wager.

[CrazyCarl]

Well that makes more sense but as someone posted earlier that edge is gone. Watch any number of the reverse line movement threads on here and you'll see that they'll go on a run and then take a bath...but ultimately end up around 50% with a loss. The problem is that the "public" knows about some of these angles and jumps on so it's not an angle anymore.

That's probably somewhat true, but I'd argue that an edge is still there. Most bettors will continue ignoring these things for eternity.

You talking 55-45 split? 60/40? 70/30? 80/20? What, by your definition, constitutes a "large" public play?

I'd say 60/40 doesn't count as juice still just about makes up for that. Just depends on who you talk to. If you want to go looking into some statistics I'd like to be involved in it whether or not they back me up. My claims are based on various sharps who do well year after year using these ideas and did bad last year when these big public plays mostly won (in the NFL).

For my claims, I'd say 65%+ or so would probably lose more often than not.

[CrazyCarl]

Today everyone has access to necessary information
and there is no excuse for not making an informed, intelligent
wager.

Most people are irrational.

--

For the record, I don't consider most touts to be sharps.

[19th Hole]

Most people are irrational.

--

For the record, I don't consider most touts to be sharps.

Goes w/o saying....

[BernardMadoff]

Funny people always have opinions about such AFTER the game, couple bounces here or there and there would have been threads about how KY was square, you guys are hilarious.

[sweethook]

why take ku , did they see them play againts ohio st.

[CrazyCarl]

Funny people always have opinions about such AFTER the game, couple bounces here or there and there would have been threads about how KY was square, you guys are hilarious.

To be fair, most of the KY backers put their money where their mouth was.

[BookiesBernanke]

The Line was 6 and it ended up 8... basically a coin flip, could have went either way

[LVHerbie]

If the squares didn't win every now and then the industry couldn't sustain itself since all that would be left is sharps and Brock Landers...