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    Should Brazilian Paradinha be banned?

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ORDS=paradinha

    Here's the thing about soccer: When it comes to innovation and creativity, there's Brazil and then there's everybody else.
    To stop the Brazilians, you can try to overwhelm them (good luck with that) or try to steal their techniques. If that doesn't work, all you can do is change the rules.
    This weekend in Zurich, as it makes final preparations for June's World Cup, soccer's main rule-making body will discuss the latest controversial bit of Brazilian magic: a devastating penalty-kick maneuver known as the paradinha.
    The tactic, which in Portuguese means "little stop," was first popularized by Pelé in the 1970s but has recently been adopted, and sharpened, by many leading Brazilian players and by an increasing number of stars from other countries, like Portugal's Cristiano Ronaldo.
    Soccer striker Neymar shoots a "paradinha" for the Santos vs. Sao Paulo match on Feb. 7, 2010.


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    The paradinha (pronounced par-a-JEEN-ya) is performed on a penalty kick by the shooter, who pauses unexpectedly before striking the ball—or even swings his foot through the air several times—before making contact. It's designed to throw off the goalkeeper's timing. When executed properly, the move can have jaw-dropping results.
    Last month in a Brazilian professional game against São Paulo, an 18-year-old striker for Santos, whose name is Neymar, lined up to take a penalty kick. He began jogging slowly up to the ball, then suddenly accelerated his pace, then stopped abruptly, almost backpedaling. São Paulo's goalie, Rogério Ceni, jumped off his feet toward his right side, leaving Neymar, who has been dubbed by some as "the new Pelé," free to kick the ball into the opposite lower corner for an easy goal. The striker, who is being courted by a slew of European teams, high-fived a teammate and celebrated with a short samba dance as the crowd went wild and the announcers screamed: "Paradinha! Goooool!"
    "He should take advantage of doing this while it's still permitted in Brazil, because when he goes to Europe he won't be able to do it," Mr. Ceni, the goalkeeper, said after the game, complaining that Neymar's paradinha was more of a "paradão," meaning "big stop."
    Several days later, Fred, the star striker for the Rio de Janeiro-based club Fluminense, took the move to the extreme, stuttering on the run-up to several penalty kicks in a game against Vasco da Gama, another Rio team. On one occasion Fred came to a screeching halt before extending his foot over the ball as if to kick, sending the goalie diving to his right before Fred kicked the ball toward the other side and scored. "Only in Brazil!" tweeted Kaka, a Brazilian superstar who plays for Real Madrid. Kaka pointed out to his Twitter followers that the paradinha puts the goalie at a clear disadvantage.
    The move isn't prohibited by current rules of FIFA, and the international governing body says the earliest it could change or clarify the penalty-kick rule would be next year. But it will be up to each referee to decide whether to permit the move at the World Cup when it begins in South Africa in June, or whether to punish the maneuver as "unsporting behavior."
    Already some powerful forces have spoken out against it. "This is cheating," said FIFA President Joseph Blatter, talking about the paradinha at a meeting in Rio in September. "This 'stopping' must be stopped."
    Trickery has long been an integral part of soccer in Brazil, where players, coaches and fans generally prize creativity and cunning over brute force.
    Some historians trace Brazilian soccer's history of innovation and showmanship to the late 1800s, when slavery had just been abolished and black players preferred to outwit their white opponents rather than touching them, fearing that physical contact could rankle racist fans.
    The term was coined when Pelé used the maneuver—albeit with more subtlety than today's players—during the World Cup in 1970, though the 69-year-old star has since admitted he simply copied the move from the late Didi, one of Brazilian soccer's most creative minds, who famously disdained physical contact and believed the ball should do the work, not the player.
    The paradinha only began its recent surge in popularity after an international rule change in 1997 that allowed goalkeepers to move laterally along the goal line before the penalty kick is taken, which is from 12 yards away. With goalies suddenly more jumpy, Pelé's old trick became far more effective and helped kickers to use the goalies' new freedom of movement to their own advantage.
    The technique can backfire, especially for players who employ it too often. Mr. Ronaldo, while playing for Manchester United, couldn't make Chelsea goalkeeper Petr Cech flinch during the shootout phase of the 2008 UEFA Champions League Final. While Mr. Ronaldo stopped as if to kick, Mr. Cech waited calmly for the flustered Portuguese star's real shot and was able to block it.
    Outside of Brazil, referees unaccustomed to seeing the move are less forgiving. In a match between Brazilian club Palmeiras and the Argentinos Juniors two years ago, a Colombian referee chastised Brazilian midfielder Diego Souza for fooling the goalie and punished the Rio native with a yellow card.
    Even though the laws of the game clearly state that "feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted," there has been much confusion over the years surrounding the legality of deception in soccer.
    A FIFA spokesman says that its rules committee spent much of the early 1980s discussing "ungentlemanly conduct at the taking of a penalty kick," only to discover in 1985 that all the discussion had been based on the "wrong assumption [by FIFA referees] that feigning was an offence." (The issue was promptly dropped.)
    But the misconception is still so widespread that it has largely curbed the spread of the paradinha beyond Brazil's borders. The three Brazilian players of Major League Soccer's Los Angeles Galaxy, who are on loan from São Paulo this season, said last month they were under the impression that feinting was illegal outside of Brazil and said they would never try it in the U.S.
    Nelson Rodriguez, MLS's executive vice president of competition, says he personally finds Brazil's current use of the paradinha "excessive," but he adds that soccer's stylistic differences across countries should be celebrated, not stamped out. "It's the beauty and mystery of the game," Mr. Rodriguez says.

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    wow, very interesting. I'd never heard or seen this before......

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    hmmmmm seems a bit unfair


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    Its cheat.

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    not fair for the goalie.

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    definitely should be banned...goalies are at enough of a disadvantage without this crap.

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    It shouldn't be banned. This is what makes the game great.

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    http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/ussoc...kick-rule.html

    IFAB Amends Penalty Kick Rule

    As of Tuesday, May 18th, the rules for penalty kicks have been amended by the International Football Association Board. In a meeting at FIFA headquarters, the IFAB changed the wording of Law 14 to read:
    "Feinting in the run-up to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted, however feinting to kick the ball once the player has completed his run-up is now considered an infringement of Law 14 and an act of unsporting behaviour for which the player must be cautioned."
    The "no feinting" provision will apply starting in June 1st, meaning it will be part of the rules for the 2010 World Cup.


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    Unsportsmanlike conduct and should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post
    Unsportsmanlike conduct and should be banned.
    Looks like FIFA took care of the problem before the Word Cup by amending the rule.
    Last edited by pavyracer; 05-19-10 at 09:56 AM.

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    Good - now if only they'd clamp down on players found guilty of diving/cheating then we'd really be in business again. I'm sick of pussies on £100k a week falling over grass blades to try and gain an advantage.

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    For a sport with as little scoring as soccer the penalty shot is too easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy117 View Post
    For a sport with as little scoring as soccer the penalty shot is too easy.
    It looks so easy until you start taking some yourself and realize is not as easy.

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    Pavy why do the teams get to choose who takes the pk? Shouldnt it be the player who was tripped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lakerboy View Post
    Pavy why do the teams get to choose who takes the pk? Shouldnt it be the player who was tripped?
    The player taking the kick has to be identified to the ref before taking the kick.

    If only the player who was tripped is allowed to take the kick then we would have the soccer "Hack-A-Shaq" because the defender will chose to trip a player down instead of allowing him to take a shot if he is an awful penalty taker.

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    Hockey allows the team awarded the shot to pick anyone on the ice at the time of the foul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    The player taking the kick has to be identified to the ref before taking the kick.

    If only the player who was tripped is allowed to take the kick then we would have the soccer "Hack-A-Shaq" because the defender will chose to trip a player down instead of allowing him to take a shot if he is an awful penalty taker.
    How many offensive players are terrible penalty takers?

    If it were a blatant hack-a-shaq, a red-card is brutal. Not as bad as a penalty kick most of the time, but still terrible; especially in knockout rounds with extra time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin7 View Post
    How many offensive players are terrible penalty takers?

    If it were a blatant hack-a-shaq, a red-card is brutal. Not as bad as a penalty kick most of the time, but still terrible; especially in knockout rounds with extra time.
    Justin7,

    Just ask yourself this question. If all the offensive players are great penalty kickers then why they only choose one of each team to take the penalties?

    Then what to do with hand balls? Who is going to take the penalty if your defender kicks the ball to the hands of another defender in the box? There are 10 different ways to win a penalty kick. Not just tripping.

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    Hard to say. I don't know enough about the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    It looks so easy until you start taking some yourself and realize is not as easy.
    Aren't they successful close to 80%? That's high when a 3-2 game is considered a shootout.

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    Shouldn't be banned, only the most skilled players can pull it off, when it goes wrong the keeper has the advantage. Where will the rule stop? you could argue that a shoulder drop also can deceive the GK when running up to take a penalty or pretending to shoot one way but going the other. Trickery and creativity is part of the game and it takes a technically gifted player to keep fooling their opposition players.

    What should be banned is when an away team comes for a draw and a player starts rolling round on the floor every 5 minutes faking injuries resulting in the game being stopped. Unless its a head injury, it should be at a teams discretion whether they kick the ball out of play of not, if this happened it would dramatically stop this.

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    do they really need an added advantage? the goalie's only hope on every PK is that he guesses right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    The player taking the kick has to be identified to the ref before taking the kick. If only the player who was tripped is allowed to take the kick then we would have the soccer "Hack-A-Shaq" because the defender will chose to trip a player down instead of allowing him to take a shot if he is an awful penalty taker.
    Don't agree with this at all, if you are good enough to be playing an offensive position in football you can surely take a half decent penalty. Half of us can pick a corner of goal and slot it there no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domestic View Post
    Don't agree with this at all, if you are good enough to be playing an offensive position in football you can surely take a half decent penalty. Half of us can pick a corner of goal and slot it there no problems.
    You have to understand that soccer is played in different levels. I agree that maybe players on the World Cup roster need to be very good penalty takers but what about the Austrian 4th division or the Lithuanian 3rd division players? Do you expect all of them to be very good penalty kickers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by statnerds View Post
    do they really need an added advantage? the goalie's only hope on every PK is that he guesses right.
    GK can do much better than just guessing, the top penalty stoppers have a range of techniques which make it harder for the opposition to score. On average 70-80% of penalties are converted, the figure drops in the bigger competitions as the pressure increases, and even further penalty shoot outs. The 70-80% firgure is not that high of a number, say a player was facing an open goal only to be fouled from behind and stopped illegally but then goes on to miss the penalty.

    Penalties are not as easy as they look, just look at the England and Dutch national teams and how many times they have been eliminated from the Euro's and WC over the years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    You have to understand that soccer is played in different levels. I agree that maybe players on the World Cup roster need to be very good penalty takers but what about the Austrian 4th division or the Lithuanian 3rd division players? Do you expect all of them to be very good penalty kickers?
    I expect some to obviously be better than others but surely you cannot compare "hack a shaq" methods in a sport where around 200 points are scored per game with a sport where only 2 or 3 goals are scored per game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domestic View Post
    I expect some to obviously be better than others but surely you cannot compare "hack a shaq" methods in a sport where around 200 points are scored per game with a sport where only 2 or 3 goals are scored per game.
    If you remember 15 years ago they wouldn't give a red card to someone who brought down another player in the box or outside the box as the last defender. Now it's an automatic red card. So a team will not do "hack a shaq" like in basketball because every time they do it they will be down one man which is worse than giving out a penalty. But if lets say someone who has a reputation of being a bad penalty taker they wouldn't mind bringing him down if he was about to score a goal in the final 5-10 minutes of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exstatman View Post
    Hockey allows the team awarded the shot to pick anyone on the ice at the time of the foul.
    I don't believe this to be the case in the NHL. Under Olympic rules you would be correct.

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