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    auto industry: driving the country out of recession

    where are all the idiots who claimed obama bailing out the auto industry was a colossal mistake?





    Taxpayers bailed out much of the U.S. auto industry. Now the carmakers might be what saves the nation's economy from falling back into recession.

    After a massive restructuring and several high-profile bankruptcies, a leaner, more aggressive auto industry is making a comeback, hiring workers and ramping up manufacturing plants. From a trough two years ago,
    Ford Motor Co., General Motors Co., Chrysler Group and other auto companies have added almost 90,000 manufacturing jobs, a 14% increase, according to federal employment data.

    Job growth in Michigan, which was devastated by the downturn, is even more robust. That's why Michigan's jobless rate stood at 10.9% in July, well below the 12% rate of California.

    And it's not just the Big Three American manufacturers that are thriving. Nissan, VW and other foreign-based firms are expanding in the United States, putting billions of dollars into building and refurbishing plants. Start-ups
    Tesla Motors in Palo Alto, Fisker Automotive in Anaheim and Coda Automotive in L.A. are hiring and spending hundreds of millions of dollars designing and launching electric and hybrid vehicles.

    Dealers are having a banner year, making more money per sale than they have in years and hiring back some workers shed during the recession.

    "I have been adding dozens of employees for sales and sales support," said Mike Bowsher, who owns Chevrolet and Buick dealerships in Atlanta;
    Nashville, Tenn.; and Orlando, Fla. "The economy is crazy, but our retail business is still growing and getting better."

    The Commerce Department said Wednesday that orders for autos and auto parts jumped 11.5% in July, the most in eight years. That followed an earlier government report on industrial production that showed the auto industry was the strongest segment of the manufacturing economy last month.

    This kind of expansion is important to the economy. Including factories, suppliers and dealers, the U.S. auto industry employs about 1.7 million workers and supports an additional 6.3 million private-sector jobs, according to the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor, Mich. The center said those positions represent more than $500 billion in annual compensation and more than $70 billion in personal tax revenue.

    "Autos are certainly picking up. As we get into next year, this all depends on the state of the consumer," said Gary Schlossberg, senior economist Wells Capital Management.

    Auto sales peaked at about 17 million in 2000 and held near that level until 2007 before crashing to just 10.4 million two years later. They were heading back into the 13-million range — helped by a wave of new models, low interest rates and improving consumer confidence — only to be upended by the
    Japanese earthquake in March.

    Shutdowns at Japanese-owned factories in
    Japan and the United States created inventory shortages that led to sharply higher car prices, lower demand and hundreds of thousands of lost sales for dealers. But with those disruptions now in the rearview mirror, the industry is looking for sales to improve over the rest of the year.

    The health of the U.S. economy is so dependent on autos that economists such as
    UCLA's David Shulman are watching car sales to assess whether the nation's recovery will accelerate or stall.

    "If you see a 13-million-unit sales rate in the fourth quarter, that would help a lot," said Shulman, senior economist at the UCLA Anderson Forecast. "It would be very hard to see how the U.S. would go into recession with cars selling at that rate."

    With their U.S. plants almost back to full production,
    Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. will be rebuilding their dealer inventories nationwide. They're also launching incentives and in some cases lowering prices of new models to recapture lost sales. Toyota said this week that it was slashing the price of the Camry, America's top-selling sedan, by hundreds or even thousands of dollars for some versions.

    To compete, other manufacturers are expected to boost their incentives and discounts, which should help draw buyers back into showrooms.

    Other factors are assisting as well.

    The average age of passenger cars and light trucks in America has grown to almost 11 years as people delayed purchases during the downturn. Low-mileage used cars are in short supply.

    And with the
    Federal Reserve signaling that it plans to keep interest rates low for several years, automakers are offering low-cost financing deals, making it easier for consumers to make a new-car payment.

    This should all help to boost sales.

    "The vehicles will be there. There will be a better incentive environment. Financing isn't going to cost any more. Everything is in place; it is just a question of whether consumers will be too scared to act," said Robert Schulz, an auto industry analyst with Standard & Poor's.

    Lacey Plache, economist at Edmunds.com, believes U.S. light vehicle sales will reach 12.9 million this year, and that means she expects the sales pace to pick up dramatically in the coming months.

    "The demand for autos is still showing strength, and buying conditions will only improve through the fall as supply grows and prices come under pressure to fall," Plache said.

    Although most analysts are predicting growth, some said the auto industry and the overall economy still face significant hurdles.

    Big gyrations in the stock market make consumers nervous, said Shulman, the UCLA economist. Volatility tends to have an outsized effect on high-end customers, and that could undermine the luxury car market, which typically has strong sales toward the end of the year.

    A weak U.S. labor market also makes shoppers wary of big-ticket items.

    But no matter how the next few months go, Shulman said, the automobile industry is healthy enough so that for once, "it won't be what puts the economy into a recession."


    http://www.latimes.com/business/auto...,4017377.story

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    Only a goon like crustyme(airboy) could not see through voodoo economics.

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    its ok crusty , go to school , maybe you will learn something

    you idiot , idiot , idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    where are all the idiots who claimed obama bailing out the auto industry was a colossal mistake?

    right here

    you have to learn to think long term, bailing out the big 3 was a huge mistake


    do you think if they were allowed to fail no one would take their place... come on man..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cant call it View Post
    Only a goon like crustyme(airboy) could not see through voodoo economics.
    let us look at your qualifications:

    - you think kolb and fitzpatrick are better qbs than sanchez
    - you dumpster dive to make ends meet
    - you can't even afford $2/month for espn insider
    - you're an admitted $12 bettor
    - you recycle soda cans to pay the bills
    - you have to pay for sex with porn stars/whores
    - you stalk athletes and posters

    now you're an expert on economics? just because you found a discarded economics degree while dumpster diving doesn't make you an expert.


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    Quote Originally Posted by brooks85 View Post
    right here you have to learn to think long term, bailing out the big 3 was a huge mistake do you think if they were allowed to fail no one would take their place... come on man..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    let us look at your qualifications: - you think kolb and fitzpatrick are better qbs than sanchez - you dumpster dive to make ends meet - you can't even afford $2/month for espn insider - you're an admitted $12 bettor - you recycle soda cans to pay the bills - you have to pay for sex with porn stars/whores - you stalk athletes and posters now you're an expert on economics? just because you found a discarded economics degree while dumpster diving doesn't make you an expert.
    You would make a good politician. Solid rebuttle to back up your info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooks85 View Post
    right here

    you have to learn to think long term, bailing out the big 3 was a huge mistake


    do you think if they were allowed to fail no one would take their place... come on man..
    who would have taken their place? every manufacturer was losing money.

    millions of jobs were saved thanks to the bailout. now they are thriving.


    obama

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    This kid is so fukkin dumb. Unreal.

    Can you at least think about what you are saying?

    Now they are triving? Because we just gave them a bunch of money? No fukkin way they are not going to do well when you are funneling money up their ass hole.

    Who would have replaced them? A manufacturer that can succeed at selling cars and to do it without losing money. Its very simple.

    But I know you cannot grasp that just the same as you do not know what a betting unit is.

    Airboy here is a classic example of the masses of failed overweight uneducated Americans.

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    crustyme just end it pal......

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    who would have taken their place? every manufacturer was losing money.

    millions of jobs were saved thanks to the bailout. now they are thriving.


    obama

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    This thread wins most boring award

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    Quote Originally Posted by cant call it View Post
    This kid is so fukkin dumb. Unreal.

    Can you at least think about what you are saying?

    Now they are triving? Because we just gave them a bunch of money? No fukkin way they are not going to do well when you are funneling money up their ass hole.

    Who would have replaced them? A manufacturer that can succeed at selling cars and to do it without losing money. Its very simple.

    But I know you cannot grasp that just the same as you do not know what a betting unit is.

    Airboy here is a classic example of the masses of failed overweight uneducated Americans.


    you would rather play russian roulette with millions of jobs and the economy rather than rescue it with proven formula as obama has done? what a dope!

    who would have taken over when the entire industry was failing, retard???? do you understand supply & demand? there was 0 demand.

    here's what would have happened had obama not bailed them out: gm, ford, chrysler, and several other foreign companies would have gone belly up. honda and toyota may be the only ones that survived and would be running on fumes. meanwhile millions of american auto workers would lose their jobs and remain unemployed and collecting unemployment for years to come.

    then other industries such as restaurants & movie theatres start failing because out of work auto workers no longer go to the movies or dine out.

    maybe in 5-10 years if the economy picks up, honda and toyota may start re-hiring workers but it would take decades of economic growth for all those who lost jobs would find work.

    stick to what you know best: porking ugly porn stars and dumpster diving.


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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post








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    The Republicans wanted the auto industry to die. Imagine all the jobs that would have been lost. Obama did the right thing. The big three are thriving right now. More people buying American cars instead of those Japanese pieces of shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post








    I wonder why that graph doesn't show from 2000-2006

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    Also, including Ford Motor Co. makes little to no sense for your argument since they didn't accept government money.

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    Of course it is the government's/taxpayer's role to continuously bailout and prop up poorly run companies and industries that have been driven into the ground by the lazy, ignorant, ungrateful labor unions......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar Bait View Post
    I wonder why that graph doesn't show from 2000-2006

    bush created a total of 3 million jobs in his 8 years as president.

    congrats, i guess.

    clinton created 23 million jobs in the same span.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post
    bush created a total of 3 million jobs in his 8 years as president.

    congrats, i guess.

    clinton created 23 million jobs in the same span.
    I wonder why you didn't respond to the graph about the national debt...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cougar Bait View Post
    Also, including Ford Motor Co. makes little to no sense for your argument since they didn't accept government money.

    yes they did.

    $5.9 billion in fact. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528409,00.html

    not to mention the $18 billion in loans they received in 2006.
    http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/27/for..._1127ford.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarvol View Post
    Of course it is the government's/taxpayer's role to continuously bailout and prop up poorly run companies and industries that have been driven into the ground by the lazy, ignorant, ungrateful labor unions......
    This fukk is always talking about brainwashed idiots, but limbaugh brainwashed his ass to think labor workers are lazy because they take breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    I wonder why you didn't respond to the graph about the national debt...
    so obama tripled the deficit, just like every other republican president before him. so what? at least he's investing in america, not iraq or the taliban.




    why don't you log in as brahmabullshit and at least give his fans a farewell speech?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    I wonder why you didn't respond to the graph about the national debt...
    The debt should be the same as the environment......who cares??

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    Tripling the debt when its already massive is impressive work.

    You are the kind of brain dead liberal that would hypothetically see the debt go from 1 billion to 3 billion and say hey, see, its tripled, that is the same as making it go from 7 to 21 trillion...

    You pretty much get owned every time you start a political thread on this site.. so I'm not sure what appeals to you about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    The debt should be the same as the environment......who cares??
    tree hugging liberals care about the environment. Not the debt though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    tree hugging liberals care about the environment. Not the debt though.
    Of course they do, my kids live in earth, not in a fake piece of paper called money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    Of course they do, my kids live in earth, not in a fake piece of paper called money.

    Move to Montana then. Plenty of earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    Move to Montana then. Plenty of earth.
    go all in kid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    Tripling the debt when its already massive is impressive work.

    You are the kind of brain dead liberal that would hypothetically see the debt go from 1 billion to 3 billion and say hey, see, its tripled, that is the same as making it go from 7 to 21 trillion...

    You pretty much get owned every time you start a political thread on this site.. so I'm not sure what appeals to you about it?

    this from a ghosting parasite who gets owned whether he posts as brahamabullshit, thelocal and others.



    it's all relative dumbass. national debt went up 30% under bush while only 9% under obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King Mayan View Post
    go all in kid.



    im sure he'll forge another $5 ticket in to $5000 and mess up the line again.

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    This is my only name. Liberals lying... I'm shocked... LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerrywoodwins20 View Post
    This is my only name. Liberals lying... I'm shocked... LOL

    lies?

    you mean like when you were certain the brewers were 5 games out when they were really 7? and when proven wrong, you blamed some mystery poster for giving you false info. when asked to link the post, you got angry and threw a hissy fit.

    like when you claimed to bet $5000 yet when asked to post a screenshot you gave 500 excuses, got angry and threw another hissy fit.

    like when you posted your fake betting ticket (not a screenshot as promised) and it had obvious forgery like mismatching lines, and when called on it, you got angry and threw another hissy fit and blamed the book for messing up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by crustyme View Post


    yes they did.

    $5.9 billion in fact. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,528409,00.html

    not to mention the $18 billion in loans they received in 2006.
    http://www.forbes.com/2006/11/27/for..._1127ford.html
    Ford's credit arm participated in a federal program meant to free up short-term lending at a time when very few investors were spending. It's no secret. The loans Ford received from the Energy Department were part of a government-industry partnership and had nothing to do with the emergency loans to keep General Motors and Chrysler in business.

    This Fed program allowed banks and businesses to get back door loans through the bank and not get stigmatized by the loans. You can thank Bernie Sanders (socialist Vermont) for lifting the curtains to Harley, GE, Cat, McDonald's, many foreign operations and many more getting bailed out by the loans for very little or no interest. This use of the Fed for back door bailouts is no different in my book as borrowing strait from Congress. It is all backed by the full faith and credit of the US taxpayer.

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