Originally posted on 05/25/2014:

Quote Originally Posted by Cuse0323 View Post
Didn't hear that...shit, wish it was treated and innocent people didn't have to lose their lives. Narcissism didn't seem like the right thing to put on him and this makes much more sense. Disregard my armchair psychology...hope we can learn something from this as a society since it's not gonna stop anytime soon unless we do something about the mental health issues that are so prevalent.
Im not saying that he wasnt a narcissist. You aren't wrong, he clearly was. The issue is that the distinction between narcissism and aspergers is a bit cloudy. I think ultimately we cant label him as being a "narcissist or as a high-functioning aspie/autistic" - he just had a mental instability! (that's what I should of put in the post above really - not "he has aspergers" - I just said that because that is what he was actually diagnosed as having but clearly it was not as simple as that!).

yes you are absolutely right...lack of awareness and education is a big issue. Hell, I wouldnt be surprised if the police who spoke to him were even aware of his condition or if they had any type of specialist there to talk with him. One of the big problems is as that there is a wide "autism" spectrum. Just like with most things it's not black and white...there are hundreds of different levels...some have it mild, some have it extreme, some in between. Take down-syndrome for instance (completely different thing) but you get down-syndrome to the point were the person has no idea that they have it and have the mental capacity of a 6 year old - they shiit themselves, they cant control emotions, they get angry of certain things, etc... and then you can get a much milder form of down-syndrome like the types you see on comedy TV programmes/movies (The Ringer, Legit, Workaholics) where they are aware of their condition and still have a certain level of independence and social ability. It seems that in regards to his aspergers condition this Elliot Roger had certain elements that were extreme and others that were not. His creepy mannerisms, creepy laugh, blank expression, obsession with certain things like women and sex is typical of somebody with hardcore autism/aspergers. But then on other hand to a certain extent he has a self-awareness and ability to do things that many with autism/aspergers cant do. At first glance he just looked like a normal kid. For instance, the kid I knew at school had it hardcore on all levels and wasnt aware of his condition at all but just looking at him you knew right away that he was retarded in some way. You would never see him driving around in a black-beamer! He would get bullied by a kid on the way to school, then he'd scream at the kid, then 5 minutes later he'd forget about it and be asking questions again (that was his thing, he would just constantly ask people questions about random things that he was obsessed with!).

To me it seems his parents have a big part in this. Seems classic typical case of big time Hollywood movie guy wannabe who didnt want to believe/accept that his darling son may have an issue and therefore didnt confront it 100% and sort of had a mish-mash perspective of "oh we know he isnt completely mentally stable, but we'll still give him a BMW and treat him like a normal kid and have him grow up around normal kids and maybe he'll just adapt and become like them"!

THen there is the issue with social media and internet which allows these "social misfits" to escape and create their own virtual world like this guy had. Also the whole martyrdom thing which is elevating - like with the Columbine massacre - Klebold wrote about how he'd go down in history and Spielberg would make a film about him. These kids become mind-warped in to thinking that their legacy is more important and that being known for something/anything even if it is evil is better than being just another nobody on a planet of billions! And like you say, it's not gonna stop anytime soon, everytime something like this happens you'll get another 100 kids who are just like him, have the exact same feelings and outlook on life, and will look at him as some kind of messiah and hero!