[ttwarrior1]

manning 1 and cutler 8

since when is 4000 yards of fantasy different then 4k of real

[ttwarrior1]

lol and your the one that says if stafford doesn't have cj he is nothing

UH HE HAS CJ THOUGH DUDE

[ttwarrior1]

So now were talking about qb's that will get the most wins, make up your god damn mother ******* mind????

Ps; im a steeler fan and unbiased.

[C-Gold]

Pretty good list.

I would actually put Romo #7. Why would you say he has a "talented team around him"? Who?? His o-line is a horrible group of nobodys. His has an aging good player in Witten, and a pretty good wide out in Austin.....but who else on that offense is really a good, proven NFL player?

Dez Bryant is about as physically gifted as they come. The only guys more athletic than him are Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and maybe Julio Jones. Nobody else is in that class. He has the size, speed, strength, leaping ability, hands etc. Bryant is an elite talented WR and return man.

Miles Austin is a very polished WR right now. He's fast, runs good routes, has good hands, reads coverages well etc.

Jason Witten is an all pro TE. You can't complain that you don't have Gronk/Gates/Graham.

Romo did help make Laurent Robinson and I give him credit for that. Robinson is a solid Vet WR but he had some real good numbers. If he's your 4th target throw to you can't complain about talent.

Dallas has had problems at C and RT but Romo has had Lenard Davis and Kyle Kosier who are both pro bowl caliber. They drafted at RT and should get better play in the future. Overall Dallas had a better offensive line than Pittsburgh, Chicago, Giants or Colts last year.

Dallas also found their RB of the future in Murray. Jones isn't ready to be the starter but I think he can excel as a backup.

Romo is a lighting rod and people have different opinions about him. I got accused of being a Cowboys fan for putting him "high" at #9, but you rank him #7. I like the speed with witch Romo plays with. He has urgency and usually has good pocket awareness/shiftyness. He's a smart guy but has had some problems late in games and in big games. He's clearly above average, I'd say certainly he's top 10 but he's not top 5.

[C-Gold]

manning 1 and cutler 8

since when is 4000 yards of fantasy different then 4k of real

How good were the Colts without Manning?
How good were the Bears without Cutler?

Awful. Instead of contending for playoffs/super bowls they were lucky to win a game.

[ebbearsfb1]

Warrior ur not a steeler fan, your a knucklehead, lmao you tried to say that to say your unbias... go worry about your fantasy leagues

[ttwarrior1]

DUDE DUDE DUDE, WITH YOU PUTTING MANNING AT 1, I HAVE TO ASSUME YOU THINK HE WILL HAVE THE MOST YARDS, OR TD PASSES OR BOTH

LIKE I SAID MAKE UP YOUR MIND. YOUR A NON PRO AND DOUBT YOUR OVER 22 YEARS OLD
LIKE YOU HAVE TO TELL ME HOW GOOD THE COLTS WERE WITHOUT MANNING DUH WILBER

SO NOW YOUR CHANGING THE RULES OF THE THREAD AGAIN, MAKE UP YOUR MIND

[KKoz9]

1 Drew Brees
2 A Rodgers
3 Tom Brady
4. Cam Newton
5. Michael Vick
6 Philip Rivers
7. Stafford
8 Eli Manning
9 P manning: if plays
10 T romo: wouldn't if be wild if they cut romo and took manning, nobody said a word about that
11. Matt Ryan
12. Big Ben
13 M schaub
14 andy dalton
15. jay cutler
16. c palmer
17 m flynn
18 m sanchez
19 j flacco
20. tim tebow
21 s bradford
22 j freeman

[KKoz9]

Good point but Rivers > Romo.

When the Chargers lose it's Mary's fault or Norv's fault. When the Colt's lost it was Manning's fault not Dungy's fault. When the Eagles lost it was Mcnabb's fault not Reids. When the Cowboys lose it's always Romo's fault. It's interesting to see who always gets blamed. But Rivers is still very clearly better than Romo. If he played on the East Coast or for a higher profile franchise he'd get more exposure.

What the hell has Rivers EVER done to be considered "better" than Romo or anyone else?

[GamblerSpirit]

What the hell has Rivers EVER done to be considered "better" than Romo or anyone else?

You're right, they both suck.

[SportsPedagogy]

Everybody talks about how great Romo's team is ...

Do you know how many rushing touchdowns this team had last season ? 5! That is second worst to only the Browns (4) and oine of those touchdowns was by Romo !

compare that to other teams ...
Panthers 26 (alot by cam though)
Philly 20
New England 18
houston 18
Giants 17
New orleans 16
Atlanta 14
Pittsburgh 13 (They also scored 44 points less then the cowboys)
Green Bay 12
Chicago 10

It looks to me like Cutler and Romo do alot more then people think.


Sounds like Dallas needs a better offensive game plan. right now, Romo is their best offensive weapon.

[KKoz9]

Dez Bryant is about as physically gifted as they come. The only guys more athletic than him are Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson and maybe Julio Jones. Nobody else is in that class. He has the size, speed, strength, leaping ability, hands etc. Bryant is an elite talented WR and return man.

Miles Austin is a very polished WR right now. He's fast, runs good routes, has good hands, reads coverages well etc.

Jason Witten is an all pro TE. You can't complain that you don't have Gronk/Gates/Graham.

Romo did help make Laurent Robinson and I give him credit for that. Robinson is a solid Vet WR but he had some real good numbers. If he's your 4th target throw to you can't complain about talent.

Dallas has had problems at C and RT but Romo has had Lenard Davis and Kyle Kosier who are both pro bowl caliber. They drafted at RT and should get better play in the future. Overall Dallas had a better offensive line than Pittsburgh, Chicago, Giants or Colts last year.

Dallas also found their RB of the future in Murray. Jones isn't ready to be the starter but I think he can excel as a backup.

Romo is a lighting rod and people have different opinions about him. I got accused of being a Cowboys fan for putting him "high" at #9, but you rank him #7. I like the speed with witch Romo plays with. He has urgency and usually has good pocket awareness/shiftyness. He's a smart guy but has had some problems late in games and in big games. He's clearly above average, I'd say certainly he's top 10 but he's not top 5.

Bryant has yet to gain 1000 yards - potential does not equal reality. One must not take every other play off, drop balls, and must be where he is supposed to be in order to be considered even good much less elite.

Austin is a nice receiver, but don't forget he is an undrafted free-agent who has had one great year and is often injured.

Credit well deserved for Romo raising the level of Robinson's play - a free agent cast off who had never caught more than 30 some balls and had 3 career TD before this year, being with his 3rd team in 4 years.

Ummm, Dallas's line was in shambles all seaon with inury and was horrible, they started 3 rookie free agents at times. Leonard Davis wasn't even on the roster, he had been CUT before the season (and NOT picked up by anyone) and was benched at times the year before last. Kosier has NEVER been pro-bowl caliber and has been injured at times in each of the last three seasons. Smith was serviceable at right tackle but far from dominant. Romo's mobility and escapability covered their ineptness all year (several years for that matter). Their line as a whole was joke so I would wonder what criteria you used to evaluate them against the other teams you mentioned. Don't think any criteria could hold water.

Dallas had not a had even an upper tier RB for Romo's entire career (aside from the 7 or 8 games Murray started if you're ready to crown him elite). They've run out the likes of Julius Jones, and Felix Jones and Barber (neither of who have ever gained 1000 yards, and were/are both best suited as a 3rd down backs)



All that being said, he would have to be ranked behind Rodgers, Brady, Brees, P Manning, and E Manning, which would put him at #6. Any others above him are questionable at best...even Ben with his rings.

[Monitor-Tan]

1 Drew Brees
2 A Rodgers
3 Tom Brady
4. Cam Newton
5. Michael Vick
6 Philip Rivers
7. Stafford
8 Eli Manning
9 P manning: if plays
10 T romo: wouldn't if be wild if they cut romo and took manning, nobody said a word about that
11. Matt Ryan
12. Big Ben
13 M schaub
14 andy dalton
15. jay cutler
16. c palmer
17 m flynn
18 m sanchez
19 j flacco
20. tim tebow
21 s bradford
22 j freeman

No QB that plays in the dome should ever be ranked #1, Brady at #1 is correct.

If you mean by who's rated the highest in terms of Fantasy points, that's a different story..

But what Brady has done with no dome, and in tough Northeast weather, and fact that the Jets, and the Bills although the bills suck, who are also in the North East makes it much tougher then brees..

Brees was good in SD, but really shined in N.O..

He's got dome which makes up for 8 games, then he has the falcons, also dome, and then Tampa, which is really almost a dome down in Florida.. So just the conference alone Brady has to fight much more then Brees..

But as I said, depends if you mean by what they have accomplished blah blah, or strictly as a Fantasy QB rankings..

[KKoz9]

You're right, they both suck.

trying to have intelligent coversation here, obviously you are not qualified to participate

[Monitor-Tan]

Everybody talks about how great Romo's team is ...

Do you know how many rushing touchdowns this team had last season ? 5! That is second worst to only the Browns (4) and oine of those touchdowns was by Romo !

compare that to other teams ...
Panthers 26 (alot by cam though)
Philly 20
New England 18
houston 18
Giants 17
New orleans 16
Atlanta 14
Pittsburgh 13 (They also scored 44 points less then the cowboys)
Green Bay 12
Chicago 10

It looks to me like Cutler and Romo do alot more then people think.


Sounds like Dallas needs a better offensive game plan. right now, Romo is their best offensive weapon.

totally agree with you on that part except for Cutler.. His old O.C would NOT let him change plays on the line of scrimmage, so you can't really put that on cutler.. If anything, I truely believe that has held Cutler back.. With a new O.C coming in now, and having more freedom, I think this year we will see cutler's true potential going forward...

[SportsPedagogy]

totally agree with you on that part except for Cutler.. His old O.C would NOT let him change plays on the line of scrimmage, so you can't really put that on cutler.. If anything, I truely believe that has held Cutler back.. With a new O.C coming in now, and having more freedom, I think this year we will see cutler's true potential going forward...

I ment they mean more to their offense then people think. Chicago's offense completely died without Cutler. Both Cutler and Romo are usually scrambling for their lives when they make plays. People forget what good front office can do for a team. If the cowboys kept Parcells as coach, and Sean Peyton at O.C, they would probably have won a Super Bowl. Jerry Jones is killing Dallas.

[Monitor-Tan]

I ment they mean more to their offense then people think. Chicago's offense completely died without Cutler. Both Cutler and Romo are usually scrambling for their lives when they make plays. People forget what good front office can do for a team. If the cowboys kept Parcells as coach, and Sean Peyton at O.C, they would probably have won a Super Bowl. Jerry Jones is killing Dallas.

[p19101]

1 Drew Brees
2 A Rodgers
3 Tom Brady
4. Cam Newton
5. Michael Vick
6 Philip Rivers
7. Stafford
8 Eli Manning
9 P manning: if plays
10 T romo: wouldn't if be wild if they cut romo and took manning, nobody said a word about that
11. Matt Ryan
12. Big Ben
13 M schaub
14 andy dalton
15. jay cutler
16. c palmer
17 m flynn
18 m sanchez
19 j flacco
20. tim tebow
21 s bradford
22 j freeman

Possibly the single worst ranking list I've ever seen.

[GamblerSpirit]

trying to have intelligent coversation here, obviously you are not qualified to participate

If you're intelligent, you know Rivers is better than Romo.

[ttwarrior1]

thats because your being biased, this isn't a list of guys that have the best chance of winning the superbowl and its like 5 months early to make this list

Like i said, anyone want to take bets who has more yards , td's , stats, cam newton vs big ben???

I'll even put up my car. yes big ben will get more wins , its the steelers folks. Im talking stats.
I also predict an eagles superbowl ( if they draft an o lineman, linebacker, de

[ttwarrior1]

romo is not even in rivers league

[SportsPedagogy]

If you're intelligent, you know Rivers is better than Romo.

Chargers cut Robinson, Romo made him a star ... I can see how a lesser QB could do that.

[SportsPedagogy]

thats because your being biased, this isn't a list of guys that have the best chance of winning the superbowl and its like 5 months early to make this list

Like i said, anyone want to take bets who has more yards , td's , stats, cam newton vs big ben???

romo is not even in rivers league

Romo had more touchdowns and half the interceptions of Rivers ......

[Bengals28]

lol @ no Andy Dalton

[C-Gold]

Bryant has yet to gain 1000 yards - potential does not equal reality. One must not take every other play off, drop balls, and must be where he is supposed to be in order to be considered even good much less elite.

Austin is a nice receiver, but don't forget he is an undrafted free-agent who has had one great year and is often injured.

Credit well deserved for Romo raising the level of Robinson's play - a free agent cast off who had never caught more than 30 some balls and had 3 career TD before this year, being with his 3rd team in 4 years.

Ummm, Dallas's line was in shambles all seaon with inury and was horrible, they started 3 rookie free agents at times. Leonard Davis wasn't even on the roster, he had been CUT before the season (and NOT picked up by anyone) and was benched at times the year before last. Kosier has NEVER been pro-bowl caliber and has been injured at times in each of the last three seasons. Smith was serviceable at right tackle but far from dominant. Romo's mobility and escapability covered their ineptness all year (several years for that matter). Their line as a whole was joke so I would wonder what criteria you used to evaluate them against the other teams you mentioned. Don't think any criteria could hold water.

Dallas had not a had even an upper tier RB for Romo's entire career (aside from the 7 or 8 games Murray started if you're ready to crown him elite). They've run out the likes of Julius Jones, and Felix Jones and Barber (neither of who have ever gained 1000 yards, and were/are both best suited as a 3rd down backs)



All that being said, he would have to be ranked behind Rodgers, Brady, Brees, P Manning, and E Manning, which would put him at #6. Any others above him are questionable at best...even Ben with his rings.

1) Dez Bryant hasn't had 1,000 yards yet because he's only played two years. He had a strong rookie campaign with 8 TDs (2 PR TDS) and had 928 yards and 9 touchdowns in 13 games last year. Don't just look at yards and discount the TDS. Bigger receivers are more valuable in the red zone. Dez Bryant is a beast and should be a pro bowler for the next 5 years. I'd be shocked if he had under 1,000 yards.

2) Austin is a nice efficient WR and Romo loves throwing to him.

3) I give credit to Romo for raising Robinson's play. He's a solid vet that Norv Turner didn't want to cut but Romo probably got the best out of him.

4) You seem to forget Romo has an All-Pro tight end too. That's 4 decent options to throw to. How many decent options does Jay Cutler have to throw to? Is Johnny Knox as good as Laurent Robinson?

4) Dallas's line was not good last year but Lenoard Davis and Kosier have been BEASTS the last few years. Yeah they've had problems at center, and Barron sucked at RT LY. I agree that Romo's escape-ability and the speed at which he plays masks those line problems. Big Ben also saves the Steelers from their crappy line. Eli saved the Giants from their crappy pass blocking line this year. Cutler saves the Bears and last year Peyton Manning's line with the Colts was probably worse than all of them. Those guys are all top 10 QBs. If you put Alex Smith or Joe Flacco behind those lines it's epic fail and everybody would know that their line sucked.

The thing with Romo is he's the cowboys QB and that elicits a strong response both ways. There is a large segment of the population that sees Romo as an average player. Then some of the cowboys fans think he's the 6th or 7th best QB. My point isn't to judge a player in just 1 year... I don't like to vault a guy up or down too much on stats based on 1 year. Did Drew Brees go down a lot last year after all the picks? How about shooting Matt Cassell up when he put up numbers? Keep it steady and don't reinvent the wheel every year to change the rankings.

[C-Gold]

I ment they mean more to their offense then people think. Chicago's offense completely died without Cutler. Both Cutler and Romo are usually scrambling for their lives when they make plays. People forget what good front office can do for a team. If the cowboys kept Parcells as coach, and Sean Peyton at O.C, they would probably have won a Super Bowl. Jerry Jones is killing Dallas.

Agreed. Those guys would have every excuse in the world to fail. How many times do you see the Cowboys center snap the ball 5 yards above Romo's head? It shouldn't ever happen never mind 2-3 times in a game and on critical down and distances.

Cutler is the most underrated QB in the league. I just wish I could see Cutler on a functional team. Imagine if you gave him Houston's offense? He'd probably have close to 5,000 yards, 40 TD and not nearly as many INTs. Picks aren't always on the QB, they are often the result of crappy WRs cutting off routes, running the wrong routes, or Cutler trying to force something to covered guys. He does that because at some point you have to. If he dropped back and never tried to thread the needle to his below average WRs he'd always be throwing screens and dump offs. At some point in time you have to take risk.

[slacker00]

Here's the top 3 to look at in 2012:

1. Cam Newton
2. Michael Vick
3. Josh Freeman

[ebbearsfb1]

Warrior is too dumb to have conversation with... no shyt newton had better stats his team is always losing... obviously if your team is winning you don't need to keep throwing the ball.... bens running game last year was average.... his wide outs? Brown is a 6th round pick... ward and wallace both 3rd round guys sanders 3rd round guy... miller is the only one who is a first round pick.... and his o line is awful. If he had a good o line he would be a hell of lot better... watch what todd haley is able to do with them..... warrior just worry about fantasy stats

[ebbearsfb1]

Ever since fantasy football has gotten big people are more worried about stats then wins..... quarterbacks are judged on wins, simple

[KKoz9]

Just don't believe Cutler is even a top 10 guy

[KKoz9]

1) Dez Bryant hasn't had 1,000 yards yet because he's only played two years. He had a strong rookie campaign with 8 TDs (2 PR TDS) and had 928 yards and 9 touchdowns in 13 games last year. Don't just look at yards and discount the TDS. Bigger receivers are more valuable in the red zone. Dez Bryant is a beast and should be a pro bowler for the next 5 years. I'd be shocked if he had under 1,000 yards.

2) Austin is a nice efficient WR and Romo loves throwing to him.

3) I give credit to Romo for raising Robinson's play. He's a solid vet that Norv Turner didn't want to cut but Romo probably got the best out of him.

4) You seem to forget Romo has an All-Pro tight end too. That's 4 decent options to throw to. How many decent options does Jay Cutler have to throw to? Is Johnny Knox as good as Laurent Robinson?

4) Dallas's line was not good last year but Lenoard Davis and Kosier have been BEASTS the last few years. Yeah they've had problems at center, and Barron sucked at RT LY. I agree that Romo's escape-ability and the speed at which he plays masks those line problems. Big Ben also saves the Steelers from their crappy line. Eli saved the Giants from their crappy pass blocking line this year. Cutler saves the Bears and last year Peyton Manning's line with the Colts was probably worse than all of them. Those guys are all top 10 QBs. If you put Alex Smith or Joe Flacco behind those lines it's epic fail and everybody would know that their line sucked.

The thing with Romo is he's the cowboys QB and that elicits a strong response both ways. There is a large segment of the population that sees Romo as an average player. Then some of the cowboys fans think he's the 6th or 7th best QB. My point isn't to judge a player in just 1 year... I don't like to vault a guy up or down too much on stats based on 1 year. Did Drew Brees go down a lot last year after all the picks? How about shooting Matt Cassell up when he put up numbers? Keep it steady and don't reinvent the wheel every year to change the rankings.

Bryant can't even be counted on to run the right route yet, again...potential does not equal production. i think he will eventually be great, but nontheless has been a major disappointment for them thus far


Not sure what you're forming your opinion on but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding the O-line:

* Leonard Davis didn't even play for Dallas last year and was benched the year before

* Kosier has never been a "beast", made a pro bowl, or even been mentioned with the best lineman in the league and has been hurt as much as he's played since coming to Dallas

* Alex Barron was only on the roster for less than one full season, which was the year before last, started only a handful of games due to other's injuries, and has nothing to do with the conversation

* their only "pro-bowl caliber" lineman was Gurode who was cut before lat season...and didn't play for anyone else

* Marc Columbo and Cory Proctor were also starters who were cut before last season


Point is, The Cowboys' line has been horrible for years.



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[C-Gold]

Bryant can't even be counted on to run the right route yet, again...potential does not equal production. i think he will eventually be great, but nontheless has been a major disappointment for them thus far


Not sure what you're forming your opinion on but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about regarding the O-line:

* Leonard Davis didn't even play for Dallas last year and was benched the year before

* Kosier has never been a "beast", made a pro bowl, or even been mentioned with the best lineman in the league and has been hurt as much as he's played since coming to Dallas

* Alex Barron was only on the roster for less than one full season, which was the year before last, started only a handful of games due to other's injuries, and has nothing to do with the conversation

* their only "pro-bowl caliber" lineman was Gurode who was cut before lat season...and didn't play for anyone else

* Marc Columbo and Cory Proctor were also starters who were cut before last season


Point is, The Cowboys' line has been horrible for years.



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Did you even read any of the thread? I'm not judging everybody on ONE season.

[KKoz9]

Did you even read any of the thread? I'm not judging everybody on ONE season.

Point is, The Cowboys' line has been horrible for years.

Tired of hearing about the talent on the Cowboys' roster.

All this "great talent" the Cowboy supposedly have has been vastly overrated for years because, well...they're the Cowboys.

The ignorance of people blaming their mediocrity on Romo amazes me as he is one of the few things they have going for them.

Romo and the passing game and DWare have been the only things keeping Dallas from being completely futile ever since he began playing.

[SportsPedagogy]

Did you even read any of the thread? I'm not judging everybody on ONE season.

So is this based on their legacy ? If so, Mcnabb should be in their!

[k13]

dude big ben doesn't pass enough to have stats

if your making a list for whoever has the best chance of a superbowl then change the name of your title

you want to bet 5 grand that vick and cam newton will have better stats then big ben next year?????????????????????????

So who ever has the highest QB rating...

are you interested?