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    rsigley
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    i'm not from the south so i dunno if these are good

    carl edwards over tony stewart +134
    jeff gordon over kevin harvick +120
    kurt busch over juan montoya +133
    clint bowyer over matt kenseth -102
    brad keselowski over kensth +106
    jeff burton over aj allmendinger -105
    jamie mcmurray over joey logano +155
    martin truex jr over jeff burton +125
    kasey kahne over matt kenseth -190
    joey logano over brad keselowski -105
    dale earnhardt jr over ryan newman +162
    dale earnhardt jr over juan montaya +136
    clint bowyer over dale earnhardt jr -113
    kyle busch over jeff gordon -113
    kyle busch over carl edwards -105
    jimmie johnson over tony stewart -101

    i bet all of these, opinions??

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    You bet too many.

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    are you now a millionare?

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    no way u can make money betting that many matchups...cut it down by 80% is my advice

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    And don't bet anything -190

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    And don't bet anything -190
    i wouldnt bet a matchuop over -120 at the most...matchups just dont payoff in the longrun imo

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    why wouldn't you pay more than -120 if the odds to win are better than -120? and why bet less if you have edge wouldn't you bet as much as you have edge?

    omg what a horrible start!!!!!!!!! 7-9 -1.88u

    lets ge tthis kobalt tools money
    *Mark Martin over Jeff Burton -120
    Tony Stewart over Jeff Gordon -131
    Kevin Harvick over Jeff Gordon -131
    Mark Martin over Kurt Busch -110
    Kurt Busch over Clint Bowyer +140
    Greg Biffle over Dale Earnhardt Jr. -115
    Mark Kenseth over Greg Biffle -131
    Jeff Burton over Juan Montoya +100
    Martin Treux Jr. over Ryan Newman -105
    Kasey Kahne over Kenseth -121
    Joey Logan over Montoya -120
    Brad Keselowski over Treux Jr. -105
    Montoya over Dale Earnhardt Jr. +199
    Brad Keselowski over Earnhardt Jr. +158
    Kyle Busch over Carl Edwards -104
    Tony Stewart over Carl Edwards -120

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsigley View Post
    why wouldn't you pay more than -120 if the odds to win are better than -120? and why bet less if you have edge wouldn't you bet as much as you have edge?

    omg what a horrible start!!!!!!!!! 7-9 -1.88u

    lets ge tthis kobalt tools money
    *Mark Martin over Jeff Burton -120
    Tony Stewart over Jeff Gordon -131
    Kevin Harvick over Jeff Gordon -131
    Mark Martin over Kurt Busch -110
    Kurt Busch over Clint Bowyer +140
    Greg Biffle over Dale Earnhardt Jr. -115
    Mark Kenseth over Greg Biffle -131
    Jeff Burton over Juan Montoya +100
    Martin Treux Jr. over Ryan Newman -105
    Kasey Kahne over Kenseth -121
    Joey Logan over Montoya -120
    Brad Keselowski over Treux Jr. -105
    Montoya over Dale Earnhardt Jr. +199
    Brad Keselowski over Earnhardt Jr. +158
    Kyle Busch over Carl Edwards -104
    Tony Stewart over Carl Edwards -120
    Because Mike is the type of guy who bets 12 drivers "to win" a race and does not understand simple math.



    You have a model for NASCAR that you have faith in or are you just betting these for fun?

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    To Win:

    Greg Biffle +1400 0.5u
    Kevin Harvick +800 0.5u

    modeling all day

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    Quote Originally Posted by rsigley View Post
    To Win:

    Greg Biffle +1400 0.5u
    Kevin Harvick +800 0.5u

    modeling all day
    Hopefully your model is right about the biff I hit him at +2000 the other day

    Do you look at past data or just focus on practice/qualifying data?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpcat View Post
    Do you look at past data or just focus on practice/qualifying data?
    I'm not rsig, but I use past track data and practice. Qualifying doesn't matter to me. The handful of drivers that are good at each track, will get in the top 10 pretty fast, no matter where they start. I actually hope the drivers I peg to bet on, qualify bad, so the odds are better.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Oh yeah, you don't have to be from the "south" to understand NASCAR.

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    whoops one accident and keselowski's car breaking both with < 10 laps went from 12-4 +9u to

    H2H: 8-8 -0.65
    H2H YTD: 15-17 -2.53u
    To Win: 0-2 -1u

    carl edwards over tony stewart -137
    jeff gordon over greg biffle +109
    brad keselowski over biffle +102
    kenseth over biffle +113
    burton over allmendinger +143
    allmendinger over jamie mcmurray -140
    treux jr over bowyer -120
    kahne over kenseth +122
    earnhardt jr over keselowski +144
    newman over jamie mcmurray -210
    keselowski over hamlin -120
    earnhardt jr over treux jr -140
    kahne over hamlin -105
    stewart over kyle busch +214
    jimmie johnson over kyle busch +157
    jimmie johnson over tony stewart -153
    jeff gordon over carl edwards -113
    carl edwards over biffle +104
    harvick over hamlin -105

    to win:
    kenseth +1500 0.5u
    newman +1400 0.5u

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    somehow we ended up +0.29u with that accident and looking better at to wins. first time that has happened

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    H2H: 10-9 +0.97u
    H2H YTD: 25-16 -1.56u
    To Win: 0-4 -2u
    Martin over Treux -140
    Gordon over Keselowski -147
    Keselowski over Biffle +149
    Kenseth over Harvick +104
    McMurray over Montoya -105
    Kahne over Keselowski -121
    Bowyer over Earnhardt -140
    Burton over Allmendinger -125
    Jimmie Johnson over Stewart -154
    Jimmie Johnson over Kyle Busch -144

    To Win:
    Kenseth +964 0.5u
    Jimmie Johnson +450 0.5u

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    forgot one:

    Montoya over Earnhardt +150

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    good week last week

    Tony Stewart over Brad Keselowski -126
    Buffle over Allmendinger -119
    Kenseth over McMurray -102
    Biffle over Burton +147
    Burton over Kenseth -123
    McMurray over Treux Jr. +120
    Biffle over Treux Jr. +140
    Newman over Kahne +112
    Kahne over Keselowski +116
    Newman over Bowyer -114
    Kenseth over Newman +165
    Jimmie Johnson over Hamlin +142
    Kyle Bush over Jimmie Johnson +125
    Edwards over Kahne +166
    Edwards over Earnhardt Jr. +165
    Edwards over Harvick +257

    To Win:
    Gordon +550 0.5u
    Carl Edwards +4440 0.5u
    Greg Biffle +5550 0.5u

    H2H: 1-10 -11.5u
    H2H YTD: 25-36 -13.06u
    To Win YTD: 0-6 -3u

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    H2H: 6-10 -1.86u
    H2H YTD: 31-46 -14.92u
    To Win YTD: 0-9 -4.5u

    Allmendinger over Martin +129
    Stewart o. Kyle Busch -105
    Edwards over Steward -120
    Hamlin over gordon -165
    Newman over Bowyer +117
    Gordon over Biffle +214
    Kyle Busch over Kenseth +167
    Harvick over Kenseth +185
    Harvick over Kahne -105
    Earnhardt over Keselowski +105
    Newman over Logano -155
    Treux Jr. over Newman -135
    Earnhardt Jr. over Bowyer -120
    Hamlin over Kahne -125
    Allmendinger over Burton -140
    Jimmie Johnson over Tony Stewart -140
    Jimmie Johnson over Kyle Busch -150
    Carl edwards over Keselowski -135
    HArvick over Keselowski -104

    To Win:
    Earnhardt Jr. +1645 0.5u
    Jimmie Johnson +900 0.5u

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    9-10 -2.5u
    H2H YTD: 40-56 -17.42u
    To Win YTD: 0-11 -5.5u
    To Win:
    Jeffery Gordon +1194 1u
    Kasey Kahne +1200 1u

    Martin over Allmendinger -105
    Kenseth over Stewart -110
    Kyle Busch over Stewart +137
    Gordon over Kyle Bush -138
    Martin over Bowyer -128
    Biffle over Keselowski -132
    Kenseth over Edwards +101
    Treux over Burton -142
    Newman over Treux +110
    Kahne over Earnhardt -108
    Hamlin over Keselowski -122
    Newman over Allmendinger +120
    Bowyer over Earnhardt +156
    Newman over Earnhardt +162
    Kahne over Hamlin +102
    Allmendinger over Burton -152
    Kyle Busch over Keselowski -105
    Jeff Gordon over Carl Edwards +109
    Harvick over Hamlin -113

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