[Johnny 55]

Has anyone used this, is there any downside to this service since it is free and how many books do they have on there and how fast is it.

[LT Profits]

Curious myself. But I am spoiled by Sport Insights alerts and would miss them too much.

[tbaer]

Has anyone used this, is there any downside to this service since it is free and how many books do they have on there and how fast is it.

been using it for over a month. considerably faster than sbr and sports insights premium pro top of line service.

[SportsInsights]

Does anyone know who own this product? It would appear to be GJUpdates but I don't know that for sure. It's missing two important market setting sportsbooks, CRIS + Grande, and their WSEX odds appear to be having problems. Compared with SportsInsights we're on average 20-30secs faster on Matchbook and 5Dimes updates. They only display betting % from 5dimes. We display betting percentages from 7 sportsbooks (including 5dimes). Pinnacle updates are within secs of each other. I haven't had time to test their score updates.

Overall it's not bad for a free service, I'd say a step ahead of sbrodds in terms of updating speeds. But lacking in extras like matchups + detailed injury info. I'm obviously bias here but Sports Insights offers CRIS + Grande odds, plus significantly faster 5Dimes + Matchbook updates. We track betting percentage data from 7 sportsbooks, and have archived betting data going back to 2003. But what really sets SportsInsights apart from any other odds service is the layer or analysis and alerting we offer in addition to the odds updates. We don't just display odds. We show our member how to make money with it. We provide email + popup alerts for Steam Moves, Smart Money Play, and Urgent Injury/News.

But don't take my word for it, please contact us if you want a free 1 week trial of SI. You can compare for yourself. Just email us or open a chat and tell them Dan you saw this post. (Trial offers expires this Sat 10/3/09)

Regards,
Dan

[poker_dummy101]

Does anyone know who own this product? It would appear to be GJUpdates but I don't know that for sure. It's missing two important market setting sportsbooks, CRIS + Grande, and their WSEX odds appear to be having problems. Compared with SportsInsights we're on average 20-30secs faster on Matchbook and 5Dimes updates. They only display betting % from 5dimes. We display betting percentages from 7 sportsbooks (including 5dimes). Pinnacle updates are within secs of each other. I haven't had time to test their score updates.

Overall it's not bad for a free service, I'd say a step ahead of sbrodds in terms of updating speeds. But lacking in extras like matchups + detailed injury info. I'm obviously bias here but Sports Insights offers CRIS + Grande odds, plus significantly faster 5Dimes + Matchbook updates. We track betting percentage data from 7 sportsbooks, and have archived betting data going back to 2003. But what really sets SportsInsights apart from any other odds service is the layer or analysis and alerting we offer in addition to the odds updates. We don't just display odds. We show our member how to make money with it. We provide email + popup alerts for Steam Moves, Smart Money Play, and Urgent Injury/News.

But don't take my word for it, please contact us if you want a free 1 week trial of SI. You can compare for yourself. Just email us or open a chat and tell them Dan you saw this post. (Trial offers expires this Sat 10/3/09)

Regards,
Dan

Does this also have public percentages dating back to 2003? What makes you think your public percentages are right compared to those at other line services?

[Johnny 55]

Your pop-up and email alerts do not work.

[SportsInsights]

poker_dummy101,

To reply to your question directly, we were the first company to ever offer betting percentages from sportsbook. We've been offer this information on our site since 1999. Unfortunately we didn't start archiving this data until a couple of years later. But what makes Sports Insights betting percentages data better than anything out there is the simple fact we gather betting data from seven online sportsbooks. SBR, GJ, only gather it from 1 sportsbooks, 5dimes. They have a much smaller sample size. I'd estimate our sample size is approximately 5-6 times bigger. SO and Pregame will not say where they get their betting data from…which always makes me feel uneasy. Sports Insights has always been very upfront about which sportsbooks provide this data. We even offer our members an option to view how the betting percentages are coming in from each individual contributing sportsbook.
But don’t take my word for it, I’d suggest taking Sports Insights for a test drive and compare us to your current odds services. Yes, we provide real-time odds and injury reports but what really sets us apart is our betting percentage data and betting systems. We don’t just offer live odds. Our betting systems are designed to take advantage of our real-time info and exploit measurable inefficiencies in the sports betting marketplace.

Dan

[poker_dummy101]

poker_dummy101,

To reply to your question directly, we were the first company to ever offer betting percentages from sportsbook. We've been offer this information on our site since 1999. Unfortunately we didn't start archiving this data until a couple of years later. But what makes Sports Insights betting percentages data better than anything out there is the simple fact we gather betting data from seven online sportsbooks. SBR, GJ, only gather it from 1 sportsbooks, 5dimes. They have a much smaller sample size. I'd estimate our sample size is approximately 5-6 times bigger. SO and Pregame will not say where they get their betting data from…which always makes me feel uneasy. Sports Insights has always been very upfront about which sportsbooks provide this data. We even offer our members an option to view how the betting percentages are coming in from each individual contributing sportsbook.
But don’t take my word for it, I’d suggest taking Sports Insights for a test drive and compare us to your current odds services. Yes, we provide real-time odds and injury reports but what really sets us apart is our betting percentage data and betting systems. We don’t just offer live odds. Our betting systems are designed to take advantage of our real-time info and exploit measurable inefficiencies in the sports betting marketplace.

Dan

Thanks for that reply .

[JELLYBEAN]

Grande is far from a market setter anymore. Skip and crew move off there whales, which are mainly square. Ask anyone in the business and the last place they look for a real market line would be grande.

As far as show me the odds. Could be a scammer using a keylogging software to steal your info. It does not have a security certificate and I would be worried if you downloaded it.

[Bluehorseshoe]

I just came across this and it's not bad. It's like a scaled down version of sportsoptions.

[Peep]

One of my friends uses ************* and likes it. I am a fan of sportsoptions, and not planning on changing.

[Peep]

lol.

apparently "show me the odds" as one word is a BAD word.....

[Bluehorseshoe]

One of my friends uses ************* and likes it. I am a fan of sportsoptions, and not planning on changing.

I was a fan of SO until I found out about their delays.

[egr99]

been using SO myself, but I may take a look at SI.

Had a hard time beating people today with SO...

egr99

[Trucker George]

lol.

apparently "show me the odds" as one word is a BAD word.....

Blatant censorship makes me want to take this software out for a test drive even more now.

[statnerds]

forgive the cynicism on this matter, but chasing line moves is ridiculous. even the Sharpest of Sharps is going to win ~55% of the time, at best. second, as i said in multiple threads, whales move lines too. third, % of bets doesn't mean shit, % of money wagered does. who cares about 70% of bets on one side if those bets are $20 each, and the 30% are $100 each?

you're killing yourself following these line moves and i would love to see anyone using such a service to post a month long results thread, posting every play you got via the service 10-15 after the game starts. so you aren't sharing the plays, but we could honestly track them.

[smitch124]

If its not successful why do books kick you out or limit you for doing it?

[Thremp]

DonBest has a feature that does this IIRC. Its a massive winner.

Statnerds is absurdly wrong here on virtually every point.

[statnerds]

Statnerds is absurdly wrong here on virtually every point.

then prove me wrong champ. i see absolutely zero supporting data for your assertion.

[BigdaddyQH]

forgive the cynicism on this matter, but chasing line moves is ridiculous. even the Sharpest of Sharps is going to win ~55% of the time, at best. second, as i said in multiple threads, whales move lines too. third, % of bets doesn't mean shit, % of money wagered does. who cares about 70% of bets on one side if those bets are $20 each, and the 30% are $100 each?

you're killing yourself following these line moves and i would love to see anyone using such a service to post a month long results thread, posting every play you got via the service 10-15 after the game starts. so you aren't sharing the plays, but we could honestly track them.

If you think that the "Sharpest of Sharps" can only hit 55%, you are so ignorant that you should not be allowed to post in here. That is easily the dumbest statement I have read in quite a while. You are so far off base that you are not even on the planet on this one. Do you know any sharps, as you call them? Obviously not. Myself and my group hit on 64% of our plays this year, and have averaged around 58.7% for the past 10 years. We are not even close to being the best. Stop posting your trash. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen your picks, and you certainly should not be telling people how to wager.

[bigdaddyjames]

sometime these odds are not right EVEN close some times

[Peep]

That is easily the dumbest statement I have read in quite a while.

Do you feel it is dumber than your statement about a game being at "pick" when it was -160 or something like that BigDaddyHQ?

Just asking......

[durito]

then prove me wrong champ. i see absolutely zero supporting data for your assertion.

If you think that the "Sharpest of Sharps" can only hit 55%, you are so ignorant that you should not be allowed to post in here. That is easily the dumbest statement I have read in quite a while. You are so far off base that you are not even on the planet on this one. Do you know any sharps, as you call them? Obviously not. Myself and my group hit on 64% of our plays this year, and have averaged around 58.7% for the past 10 years. We are not even close to being the best. Stop posting your trash. You have no idea what you are talking about. I have seen your picks, and you certainly should not be telling people how to wager.

[Thremp]

then prove me wrong champ. i see absolutely zero supporting data for your assertion.

Did you just seriously quote half my fking post and delete the half with substantiation?

[Thremp]

I could jerk off to this stuff. Its so sick. Like completely unknowledgeable and totally deluded.

[statnerds]

Myself and my group hit on 64% of our plays this year, and have averaged around 58.7% for the past 10 years. I have seen your picks, and you certainly should not be telling people how to wager.

then i assume you are retired and only gamble for a living. i don't want to call bullshit on your claimed your winning %even though it lacks any supporting evidence whatsoever, so i will refrain from doing so. 10 years without one losing season? again, even though you have zero proof i will not question it. and with just under 59% why are you even wasting time on a forum? your winnings should be in the millions by now.

you mean the NFL blog picks that were 6-3 or the 2 Superbowl Plays of Saints Ov 26.5 +105 and Ov 27.5 + 128? see, unlike yourself, i have proof that i play and post winners. means you have read none of the plays i posted ever and are speaking from a position of ignorance.

i know a couple of gentlemen that engage in nothing by sports betting to pay their bills, both display much more class than yourself. gambling has made you a multi-millionaire, why are you attacking an innocent small time poster like myself?

[statnerds]

Did you just seriously quote half my fking post and delete the half with substantiation?

then fukking prove it. sick you guys talkin shit with zero proof and zero data. and instead of offering to provide proof, EVER, you all resort to name calling and insults. it is a classic move of an over-matched debater. when cornered and unable to defeat the truth, the messenger is attacked.

prove it.

instead you guys will offer nothing and hide behind attacks. that is some chicken shit stuff. if you believe in this shit and track it shouldn't be that hard to post every thing you pick 10 minutes after the game starts. unless, of course, you are fukking posers.

[Bluehorseshoe]

But to reiterate what smitch124 wrote.

If it's meaningless, why do books jettison steam players??? It's not just because of unbalanced action.

[gman2114]

very cruel thread

[Thremp]

then fukking prove it. sick you guys talkin shit with zero proof and zero data. and instead of offering to provide proof, EVER, you all resort to name calling and insults. it is a classic move of an over-matched debater. when cornered and unable to defeat the truth, the messenger is attacked. prove it. instead you guys will offer nothing and hide behind attacks. that is some chicken shit stuff. if you believe in this shit and track it shouldn't be that hard to post every thing you pick 10 minutes after the game starts. unless, of course, you are fukking posers.

Well since you seem to be focused on projection. DonBest has a service that basically just tracks "steam plays", which has won at a steady clip for many moons back when it was last discussed.

Do you deny the existence of this? Do you deny that it wins?

I'm really uncertain what you're trying to do other than being deliberately obtuse and lowering the quality of discussion.

[donjuan]

then fukking prove it. sick you guys talkin shit with zero proof and zero data. and instead of offering to provide proof, EVER, you all resort to name calling and insults. it is a classic move of an over-matched debater. when cornered and unable to defeat the truth, the messenger is attacked.

prove it.

instead you guys will offer nothing and hide behind attacks. that is some chicken shit stuff. if you believe in this shit and track it shouldn't be that hard to post every thing you pick 10 minutes after the game starts. unless, of course, you are fukking posers.

Every time anyone posts any data you run with your tail between your legs. Thremp knows what he's talking about and you, quite frankly, don't.

[EHoneyman]

Great idea!

[Dave Head]

... for many moons back ...

This is getting too technical for me.

Do you deny the existence of this? Do you deny that it wins?

Deny what? You haven't shown us anything.

[LT Profits]

This is getting too technical for me.


Deny what? You haven't shown us anything.

He pointed you to a source that has proven that tracking line moves in certain situations is a long term winner. Coming from someone as respected as Thremp, that should be good enough.

[Dave Head]

He pointed you to a source that has proven that tracking line moves in certain situations is a long term winner.

Hi LT Profits,

Sorry, I missed that proof. I did a web search for "Don Best", but all I got was his web site. Do you have a link to that proof?