[phans3]

are there ways to avoid getting banned for chasing steam?
i heard that chasing steam is one of the top reasons for sportsbooks to limit or ban players what do you about it to avoid getting banned?

i could think of two ways to avoid it:
1. don't bet the maxium wagers
2. search for ev0 bets which you wager to let it look like your are betting random!?

some thoughts from you on this topic please

[smitch124]

I also heard spending a little time in the casino helps them love you.

[Peep]

Few thoughts for the want to chase steam player.

Maybe a good idea to plan what sort of steam you want to chase, and find out what different numbers moving at different times means first. And what line services you plan to use to "chase" with.

And what books you can get a slow moving number up in, and for what limit. You have to be able to make a bet before you can get thrown out.

[blix177]

Streaming on exchange wont get you banned.

[phans3]

Streaming on exchange wont get you banned.

that's for sure hehe

do you have experience doing it?

[mdemps9190]

do you guys know how to chase steam and such? I'm trying to learn without having to pay for a sportsinsight account

[tbill11]

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[Thremp]

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[Johnny 55]

Chasing steam without getting caught, an arduous task, I wish you well on your journey.

[mdemps9190]

yeah not sure exactly how to do all of this and that one answer apparently wasn't great...would love more input

[blix177]

Place stream bets, + do a lot of -EV bets. They don't care that your stream betting as long as your losing money to them in the long run. Maybe if you have a friend that likes to bet online, use his account. If he is losing his shirt-off, and you hit a stream every now and then, no one would notice.

Other than that, it should be impossible considering that you will be in the money and growing in the long run, and all they need to see is your making 10-20k off them per year, year over year, your ass is gone.

[mdemps9190]

how do you chase steam...need a bit of help here guys.

[phans3]

Other than that, it should be impossible considering that you will be in the money and growing in the long run, and all they need to see is your making 10-20k off them per year, year over year, your ass is gone.

but this doesn't has anything to do with steam chasing does it?
pretty sure a genius capper who will win 10-20k a year will also get kicked out

[Bluehorseshoe]

Get a local.

[skrtelfan]

Net profit doesn't necessarily matter. I've been booted from books where I had a very tiny profit because they thought I was betting steam. (I actually wasn't even trying to bet steam, I was just following a successful capper that moved lines quickly.) Just to use an example of a successful capper that moves lines, it wouldn't surprise me if there are books that will boot you for betting RAS totals even if you don't show an overall profit in the account.

[Thremp]

RAS totals are "betting steam". As is following any tout that moves lines.

[skrtelfan]

If you bet before the line has moved anywhere, it isn't really "betting steam," although I suppose the difference between betting at 410pm when the steam move is at 415pm doesn't look any different to the book than if you'd bet it at 416pm.

[Thremp]

Are you trying to tell me that you can get RAS totals before the line moves anywhere? I'd call you a ****ing moron if that was the case.

[Power Play]

so you'll get booted from all sportsbooks if you bet ras totals? why do people even sign up for ras if they're just going to get booted for using it?

[skrtelfan]

Are you trying to tell me that you can get RAS totals before the line moves anywhere? I'd call you a ****ing moron if that was the case.

I should really know better than to try to make sense of anything you post, but betting RAS totals before the line moves would be one of the sharper plays one could make. Even if you don't think RAS is a winner, you could certainly middle those plays for a profit.

In any case, I would be honored if you called me a "****ing moron" because the three big long-term winners I know that occasionally post to 2+2 (PC, Custer, Beetman) have all been deemed "****ing morons" in your eyes.

[skrtelfan]

so you'll get booted from all sportsbooks if you bet ras totals? why do people even sign up for ras if they're just going to get booted for using it?

No, you'll get booted from some sportsbooks for betting stuff like that. Your overall profit or even your bet size isn't necessarily relevant. As another simple example, a few years back, Mansion was barring anyone from betting NFL teasers that was remotely sharp. $25 and $50 bettors were barred from betting teasers there in a matter of a month or two if they were only betting "basic strategy" teasers.

[ForgetWallStreet]

I should really know better than to try to make sense of anything you post, but betting RAS totals before the line moves would be one of the sharper plays one could make. Even if you don't think RAS is a winner, you could certainly middle those plays for a profit.

A+ in reading comprehension, imo.

[BigdaddyQH]

Any casino that bans you for chasing steam or playing any other type of system is a Mickey Mouse Operation. Period. End of Statement. My group wagers more than all of you added up in here in one football season and we would never get banned no matter what system we used. You guys put up with way too much B.S. from these offshore books. Limits that they can change whenever they want. No Middling. Wagers that they can cancle whenever they want. Payouts that take weeks instead of hours. Hassle after hassle. All this for some Mickey Mouse bonus that has to roll over 7 times or a little better vig. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have to worry about a line at -105 or -110. Guys, it is your money. Bad enough offshore books keep it for weeks or months, making huge interest on the open market. Do not let them tell you what you can wager on, or how much you can wager. It is your money. It is your wager. If they will not let you make a wager, no matter what any previous wager youmade may be, tell them to shove it up their a**es. If you had $100.00 to spend on dinner, how would you like a restaurant to limit you to a $10.00 dish, instead of being able to pruchase a $40.00 dish? That is exactly what you guys are having done to you when you put up with this type of treatment.

[Tomato]

Any casino that bans you for chasing steam or playing any other type of system is a Mickey Mouse Operation. Period. End of Statement. My group wagers more than all of you added up in here in one football season and we would never get banned no matter what system we used. You guys put up with way too much B.S. from these offshore books. Limits that they can change whenever they want. No Middling. Wagers that they can cancle whenever they want. Payouts that take weeks instead of hours. Hassle after hassle. All this for some Mickey Mouse bonus that has to roll over 7 times or a little better vig. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have to worry about a line at -105 or -110. Guys, it is your money. Bad enough offshore books keep it for weeks or months, making huge interest on the open market. Do not let them tell you what you can wager on, or how much you can wager. It is your money. It is your wager. If they will not let you make a wager, no matter what any previous wager youmade may be, tell them to shove it up their a**es. If you had $100.00 to spend on dinner, how would you like a restaurant to limit you to a $10.00 dish, instead of being able to pruchase a $40.00 dish? That is exactly what you guys are having done to you when you put up with this type of treatment.

We can always count on BigDaddyQH to give us gems like this. Classic.

[Jaug]

Any casino that bans you for chasing steam or playing any other type of system is a Mickey Mouse Operation. Period. End of Statement. My group wagers more than all of you added up in here in one football season and we would never get banned no matter what system we used. You guys put up with way too much B.S. from these offshore books. Limits that they can change whenever they want. No Middling. Wagers that they can cancle whenever they want. Payouts that take weeks instead of hours. Hassle after hassle. All this for some Mickey Mouse bonus that has to roll over 7 times or a little better vig. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have to worry about a line at -105 or -110. Guys, it is your money. Bad enough offshore books keep it for weeks or months, making huge interest on the open market. Do not let them tell you what you can wager on, or how much you can wager. It is your money. It is your wager. If they will not let you make a wager, no matter what any previous wager youmade may be, tell them to shove it up their a**es. If you had $100.00 to spend on dinner, how would you like a restaurant to limit you to a $10.00 dish, instead of being able to pruchase a $40.00 dish? That is exactly what you guys are having done to you when you put up with this type of treatment.

Orly? I think you should always be concerned about this. You don't like money?

[durito]

Any casino that bans you for chasing steam or playing any other type of system is a Mickey Mouse Operation. Period. End of Statement. My group wagers more than all of you added up in here in one football season and we would never get banned no matter what system we used. You guys put up with way too much B.S. from these offshore books. Limits that they can change whenever they want. No Middling. Wagers that they can cancle whenever they want. Payouts that take weeks instead of hours. Hassle after hassle. All this for some Mickey Mouse bonus that has to roll over 7 times or a little better vig. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have to worry about a line at -105 or -110. Guys, it is your money. Bad enough offshore books keep it for weeks or months, making huge interest on the open market. Do not let them tell you what you can wager on, or how much you can wager. It is your money. It is your wager. If they will not let you make a wager, no matter what any previous wager youmade may be, tell them to shove it up their a**es. If you had $100.00 to spend on dinner, how would you like a restaurant to limit you to a $10.00 dish, instead of being able to pruchase a $40.00 dish? That is exactly what you guys are having done to you when you put up with this type of treatment.

[katstale]

Once steam has run its course, there is extreme value on the other side. Fezzik uses a version of a model I started with in 1993 and he is probably the pre-eminent capper at this time. Not sure what the pseudo-intellectuals did with that thread. But, if you can find it, it has a ton of good insight into building yourself a "fade the steam" model. GL

P.S. I can't believe I came back to this area. OK, back to my regular haunt.

[durito]

It got put in players talk. I think I was wrong on some things there.

[Thremp]

I should really know better than to try to make sense of anything you post, but betting RAS totals before the line moves would be one of the sharper plays one could make. Even if you don't think RAS is a winner, you could certainly middle those plays for a profit. In any case, I would be honored if you called me a "****ing moron" because the three big long-term winners I know that occasionally post to 2+2 (PC, Custer, Beetman) have all been deemed "****ing morons" in your eyes.

You claimed before the line moved "anywhere". Clearly RAS plays are moving at some books before others. Ergo its considered steam. Add in that virtually every book moves and its clearly considered steam.

Winning doesn't make you sharp. PC posted a basic math fail on deriving future odds for the NBA playoffs. If you are trying to give advice on pricing a future, and don't know the correct way to do it mathematically. You're an idiot. Imagine that. I don't know what Beetman or Custer said, but PC is a pretty good example of showing that knowledge =/= monies. There is much more to winning in sports betting than just being able to derive super accurate lines.

[BigdaddyQH]

The first and formost thing is knowing how to pick winning teams,something that seems to get overlooked in here. Worry about the line after youfigure out oif a team has a shot at any resonable line.

[PRC]

Any casino that bans you for chasing steam or playing any other type of system is a Mickey Mouse Operation. Period. End of Statement. My group wagers more than all of you added up in here in one football season and we would never get banned no matter what system we used. You guys put up with way too much B.S. from these offshore books. Limits that they can change whenever they want. No Middling. Wagers that they can cancle whenever they want. Payouts that take weeks instead of hours. Hassle after hassle. All this for some Mickey Mouse bonus that has to roll over 7 times or a little better vig. If you knew what you were doing, you wouldn't have to worry about a line at -105 or -110. Guys, it is your money. Bad enough offshore books keep it for weeks or months, making huge interest on the open market. Do not let them tell you what you can wager on, or how much you can wager. It is your money. It is your wager. If they will not let you make a wager, no matter what any previous wager youmade may be, tell them to shove it up their a**es. If you had $100.00 to spend on dinner, how would you like a restaurant to limit you to a $10.00 dish, instead of being able to pruchase a $40.00 dish? That is exactly what you guys are having done to you when you put up with this type of treatment.

Why do you need to come across as some big shot? If the casino sportsbooks are letting you bet as much as you want, that means you are just some whale who they know is a long-term loser. Ask Justin7 about his experience with some casinos in Vegas, how many times he's been limited, had a ticket taken back etc He's been refused a bet on a Super Bowl side on the actual game day in Vegas. The M is one of the only casinos in Vegas not afraid of action.

The guys who move the most money do it with credit shops, not with offshore post up books or Vegas casinos.

[pats3peat]

oh yeah theres a way

[smitch124]

It got put in players talk. I think I was wrong on some things there.

which things, durito?

[DRZ]

What exact books have you heard of doing this? Or have seen first hand bans from? Thanks

[TheCamel]

Its time to start using the betting exchanges, such as BetFair, my friend. They don't care how much you bet, or who you bet on. If you win then another one of their customer loses. Their lines are most likely better than your sportsbook, you can get out and lock in your profits during the game, and you only pay 3% on your net winnings...nothing if you lose.