1. 12-02-07 08:06 PM #1
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    Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl - California vs Air Force

    Fort Worth, Texas - December 31, 2007, 12:30 p.m. EST - ESPN

    Lets get the discussion going on this bowl game between California and Air Force.
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  2. 12-03-07 02:28 PM #2
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    CAL sucks, air force wants this more. 22 - 19
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  3. 12-03-07 03:46 PM #3
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    I see value in Cal here.


    It was my worst line set of the season. I set the line at -9 and it was at -4.

    I like Cal to win and cover easily.
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  4. 12-31-07 10:53 AM #4
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    451 Air Force ML +160
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  5. 12-31-07 11:07 AM #5
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    3 Cal stars suspended!!

    Cal coach Tedford suspended 3 starters including the best player in this game..WR Jackson! I was going to play the Bears with the huge speed advantage but can't play them now!! Air Force will have the crowd and is far more satisfied to be here today!! No play for me or maybe a little on AF ML
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  6. 12-31-07 11:14 AM #6
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    Someone needs to explain to me why a 6-6 team (with three players suspended) is a 4.5 pt. favorite against a 9-3 team on a netural field...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Handicapable View Post
    Cal coach Tedford suspended 3 starters including the best player in this game..WR Jackson! I was going to play the Bears with the huge speed advantage but can't play them now!! Air Force will have the crowd and is far more satisfied to be here today!! No play for me or maybe a little on AF ML
    From what I heard everyone is on the over and the way Air Force running the ball and Cal missing their best reciever wouldn't the under be a good play?

    Leaning towards the under
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  8. 12-31-07 11:26 AM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanco21 View Post
    From what I heard everyone is on the over and the way Air Force running the ball and Cal missing their best reciever wouldn't the under be a good play?

    Leaning towards the under
    I agree with you the under is the play...

    Cal. under total points is also a good play at 31

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  9. 12-31-07 11:28 AM #9
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    the problem with air force is that any kind of holding, tackle for loss or negative play ispretty much as good as a turnover. but air force is pretty disciplined...
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  10. 12-31-07 11:32 AM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10 View Post
    I agree with you the under is the play...

    Cal. under total points is also a good play at 31

    25 mph breeze also
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  11. 12-31-07 11:34 AM #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanco21 View Post
    25 mph breeze also
    Yes I noticed... I ended up not taking Cal. and took the under... Did you take the under as well..?

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  12. 12-31-07 11:35 AM #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10 View Post
    Yes I noticed... I ended up not taking Cal. and took the under... Did you take the under as well..?

    yes....4 out 5 runs love it
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  13. 12-31-07 11:42 AM #13
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    air force running all over cal...should be 21-3 or 21-7 at half
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  14. 12-31-07 11:42 AM #14
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    Cal looks confused on the option! Hardly anyone runs it anymore and definitely nobody in the Pac 10!!
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  15. 12-31-07 11:43 AM #15
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    i'm suprised air force is so good. i don't see a black guy out there
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  16. 12-31-07 11:44 AM #16
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    I don't think they look confused I think they just get off their blocks... If you are confused you can figure it out but if you can't get off blocks that is much harder to fix...

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    Quote Originally Posted by remmy358 View Post
    air force running all over cal...should be 21-3 or 21-7 at half
    that was a little too easy. if cal scores the total could be in jeopardy
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  18. 12-31-07 11:46 AM #18
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    AF rolling

    On AF +4.5 Cal Cant Stop the option that they havent seen
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  19. 12-31-07 11:52 AM #19
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    I was going to bet the Over til I heard Jackson was out! Cal never plays any D and all those white boys at Air Force give up so much speed that they're forced to play deep and Cal should be able to work underneath all day!
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    that was huge...nice drop
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  21. 12-31-07 11:55 AM #21
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    WTF?? Cal's going for it on 4th/16 in the 1st quarter?? Almost made it but isn't that a little desperate for the 1st quarter? Ok with me since I'm on the Falcons
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    thats was good for the under
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  23. 12-31-07 11:58 AM #23
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    Hey watch this clock operator he must have bones on the under too.... You are supposed to stop the clock when you get a first down but they let it run a few seconds... A few seconds ran off on that incomplete pass Cal. threw to the middle of the endzone... The clock operator doesn't seem to do it when Air Force has the ball but he does it when Cal. has it...

    Watch and see if the operator keeps doing it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10 View Post
    Hey watch this clock operator he must have bones on the under too.... You are supposed to stop the clock when you get a first down but they let it run a few seconds... A few seconds ran off on that incomplete pass Cal. threw to the middle of the endzone... The clock operator doesn't seem to do it when Air Force has the ball but he does it when Cal. has it...

    Watch and see if the operator keeps doing it...

    I saw that too after an incomplete pass 5 seconds went off. Nice!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShamsWoof10 View Post
    Someone needs to explain to me why a 6-6 team (with three players suspended) is a 4.5 pt. favorite against a 9-3 team on a netural field...

    Look at conference and strength of schedules. Also, Cal was looking like a #1 team in the first few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanco21 View Post
    I saw that too after an incomplete pass 5 seconds went off. Nice!!!
    Exactly!! It went from 3:08 to 3:03 then it stopped... Let's pay attention to the operator and see if he keeps doing it..

    Yeah look qb just got a first and clock is still rolling... HAHAHA

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    Why did I take Cal!!!!!!!
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    there it goes again. Out of bounds, I love that guy
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    HAHAHAHA he went out of bounds and it STILL ticked...

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    This could get ugly! I am just hope Cal doesn't score.
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  31. 12-31-07 12:12 PM #31
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    WR Jackson and their leading tackler (name?) are coming in according to the announcers so don't party in the streets yet AF backers..lol!!
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    Cal's D sucks...
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    Ok Air Force gets another TD!! Has Cal practiced defending the option at all?? This is ridiculous...how easy this shit is...LMAO!!
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    uh-oh?? Jackson comes in and immediately scores then AF goes 3 & out. Here comes another one like yesterday when Bama jumped up 27-0 then had to hang on?
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  35. 12-31-07 12:42 PM #35
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    cal right back in game due to air force's lack of aggressiveness
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