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    rushing systems, ATS and bowl games

    i had mentioned before this bowl season that rushing based systems seemed to have worked really well in the past for ATS bowl games.

    i didn't have the skills to backtest it easily on one of the sports data bases...

    but i am tracking it for this bowl season, and it's been impressive so far, especially differentials (no adjustment for quality of opponent etc.)

    system 1 - offensive YPC, better team 4-3

    system 2 - defensive YPC, better team 3-3-1

    system 3 - rushing ypc differential (O minus D).... 5-2 ATS

    system 4 - fewest points allowed per game (obviously more passing D than rush D). 5-1-1

    as mentioned in another thread, GSo/EM was a very close ATS game and it is a LOSS in these systems. fresno was pretty tight between the teams in terms of stats. and that's a WIN.

    gonna try a couple of other things too............ like i said, has been a very popular system in the past.

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    and here are the real time picks for the last 2 systems (ypc differential and total points allowed)

    rush diff:

    marshall
    toledo
    byu
    memp
    houston
    troy
    LT

    defensive points allowed:

    marshall
    fau
    byu
    memphis
    army
    troy
    LT

    a couple of things, army and to lesser extent hawaii have special status. army being all running (good for bowl season), hawaii (mostly pass and good at it. bad for bowl season)

    i see EM and GSo graded as push a bunch of places. not my experience but a push would improve that historical record so far.

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    this a big "back of envelope" on 2017 bowl teams

    10 worst ATS teams (for its bowl game), defense gave up 28 points per game, best 10 ATS teams = 23 points per game...... not huge standard deviation (unfortunately doing this on small mobile device so can't do calc)

    should note that when i say what they gave up per game i mean whole season (unfortunately including bowl game but should have had big effect)

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    so both of those systems with another W tonight.... 6-2 and 6-1-1 ATS

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    So please explain on the games coming up so I could know how to understand this better if that's not asking too much.

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    system 3 = yards per rush offense minus defense....... whichever team is better... i will post example on the next game
    system 4 = which team gave up fewer points per game this season (i round the numbers off). very very simple.

    system 1 was offensive yards per carry. system 2 was defensive yards per carry..... i ditched them as #3 and #4 worked better (#1 and #2 were 50%ish)

    so tomorrow,

    wake forest vs. memphis... wake = 4.5 offensive ypc, 4.9 defensive. memphis = 6.6 and 4.1.. so differentials are minus 0.4 for WF, plus 2.5 for memphis...... so memphis = system 3 play. if i rated plays, it is strong play

    system 4 - memphis gave up 31 points per game, WF 33 points. so memphis is system 4 play... (definitely people will say this should be adjusted for opponent....... i might go back and look at massey ratings defensive ratings)
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    so i think system 3 (rushing differential) = now 7-3 ATS (i've graded BYU game already)... system 4 = 8-1 ATS (there was a NO-PLAY for one of the games)

    i will stress these systems are killing it this year ........ AND there's been tons of threads about these types of systems winning in past seasons.

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    today

    rushing differential 0-2 ATS

    fewer points allowed 1-1 ATS

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    8-4 rushing ypc differential (2-2 yesterday)

    9-2-1 fewer points allowed (3-1 yesterday).

    will post the upcoming games in a second

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    games up to (including) friday,

    rushing ypc differential:

    BC (very close vs. boise)
    GT
    Cal
    Temple
    miami/wisconsin no play
    vandy
    aub
    wv (might exclude)
    iowa state

    fewer points allowed,

    boise
    minnesota (tight.... might exclude)
    cal
    temple
    MF
    vandy
    aub
    WV (might exclude)
    iowa state

    as i'd mentioned at very start, i would like to back big running teams (GT, military, G So) and fade big passing-oriented teams (wsu, wv are the 2 that come to mind)......... so i'll track it both ways, basic picks and then no playing anything goes against my own run/pass bias (teams will be listed before game. so G So still stands as they've already played)
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphonsinov View Post
    should note that when i say what they gave up per game i mean whole season (unfortunately including bowl game but should have had big effect)
    that was only true for the early games. and the differentials were large except for maybe one case. one extra game shouldn't make much difference. after all it's an average of 13 games vs. 12 games.

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    0-2 and 1-1 yesterday.

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    here are the rest of the games,

    rushing yard per carry differential,

    nevada
    mich
    south carolina
    ok
    clem
    cin
    pgh
    msps
    psu
    ucf
    wa
    ga
    no play mcs game
    msr
    ute
    tam

    fewer points allowed,

    ark state
    mich
    va
    ala
    clem
    cin
    stan
    msps
    ky
    lsu
    wa
    ga
    ute
    ncs
    mcs
    msr

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    Quote Originally Posted by gojetsgomoxies View Post
    games up to (including) friday,

    rushing ypc differential:

    BC (very close vs. boise)
    GT L
    Cal L
    Temple L
    miami/wisconsin no play
    vandy L
    aub W
    wv (might exclude) L
    iowa state

    fewer points allowed,

    boise P
    minnesota (tight.... might exclude) W
    cal L
    temple L
    MF W
    vandy L
    aub W
    WV (might exclude) L
    iowa state

    as i'd mentioned at very start, i would like to back big running teams (GT, military, G So) and fade big passing-oriented teams (wsu, wv are the 2 that come to mind)......... so i'll track it both ways, basic picks and then no playing anything goes against my own run/pass bias (teams will be listed before game. so G So still stands as they've already played)
    updating last few days.... 8-4 and 9-2-1 before this update.... so 1-5 and 2-4 in these updated games, iowa state pending

    so 9-9 and 11-6-1.............

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    1-2 and 2-1 (i state and first 2 games today).... 10-11 and 13-7-1....

    nev/arkst and clem/clem on-going...

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