1. 11-26-11 08:17 PM #1
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    Is Trent Richardson in the lead for Heisman?

    He had a 200 yard game and is playing big at the right time .His team is in contention for the BCS Championship. I like Case Keenum's odds but it's a longshot. Andrew Luck isn't as good as people thinks he is.

    Any updated odds?
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  2. 11-26-11 08:19 PM #2
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    Richardson is in the lead as far as I see it
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  3. 11-26-11 09:01 PM #3
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    Colts trade 1st overall pick to drop down to around 6-8 and pick up Richardson?
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  4. 11-26-11 09:32 PM #4
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    I think Richardson deserves the Heisman, but you are high if you take him higher in the draft if you don't have an elite QB. Luck's skills will actually be even more evident in pro football.
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  5. 11-26-11 09:42 PM #5
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    Richardson won't go in top 8 of the draft. Luck does not deserve the Heisman, but will probably win it.
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  6. 11-26-11 09:44 PM #6
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    If I had a vote it would go to Richardson...
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  7. 11-26-11 09:52 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitch124 View Post
    ILuck's skills will actually be even more evident in pro football.
    Lucks not even the best QB in NCAA, don't buy into media hype.

    Quote Originally Posted by moses millsap View Post
    Richardson won't go in top 8 of the draft. Luck does not deserve the Heisman, but will probably win it.
    TR wins heisman soundly.
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  8. 11-26-11 10:08 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Lucks not even the best QB in NCAA, don't buy into media hype.
    barkley and luck are 1 and 1a in whichever order

    they're both better than 75% of the guys taking snaps tomorrow

    people question luck without looking at the bumass scrubs playing nfl qb now

    and it's ridiculous that people compare luck to russell....i'd guess luck might be a hair smarter than russell
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  9. 11-26-11 10:13 PM #9
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Lucks not even the best QB in NCAA, don't buy into media hype.



    TR wins heisman soundly.
    I'm saying hes the Heisman winner, but saying Luck will be a great NFL QB. Pay attention.
    Last edited by smitch124; 11-26-11 at 10:16 PM.
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  10. 11-26-11 10:20 PM #10
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    Luck is a run of the mill mediocre NFL QB. He's not some savior that's going to step in and make a bad team relevant. The fact that the media discussed teams to tank a season to get luck is laughable. NFL is littered with great college QBs who amount to very little. Lucks no exception.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smitch124 View Post

    I'm saying hes the Heisman winner, but saying Luck will be a great NFL QB. Pay attention.
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  12. 11-26-11 10:25 PM #12
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    Well college QB scouting is a imperfect science at best, we'll just have to wait and see. But I'd take my side in a bet any day.
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  13. 11-26-11 10:29 PM #13
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    That luck is an elite NFL QB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    That luck is an elite NFL QB?
    Yep
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  15. 11-26-11 10:31 PM #15
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    Why the fukk is Matt Barkley not a candidate? He plays in the same conference as Luck. Beat Oregon at Oregon. Has more passing yards, more TD's and less INTS thank luck. Heisman trophy is bullshit dont mean shit. Fuking individual achievement award and its just a popularity contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    Why the fukk is Matt Barkley not a candidate? He plays in the same conference as Luck. Beat Oregon at Oregon. Has more passing yards, more TD's and less INTS thank luck. Heisman trophy is bullshit dont mean shit. Fuking individual achievement award and its just a popularity contest.
    I agree Barkley should be in the mix as well, I can only think USC's ineligibility hurts him when it shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Bear View Post
    Why the fukk is Matt Barkley not a candidate? He plays in the same conference as Luck. Beat Oregon at Oregon. Has more passing yards, more TD's and less INTS thank luck. Heisman trophy is bullshit dont mean shit. Fuking individual achievement award and its just a popularity contest.
    settle down crazy guy....espn had him 3rd or 4th earlier tonight
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  18. 11-26-11 10:38 PM #18
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    Maybe we have different definitions of elite. As in best of the best. How many elite QBs do you think there are in the nfl? Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers. Your putting Luck at the table with these guys???
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    Not a chance in hell Barkley is even in the top 3 in votes. You clearly have no idea how this award is decided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Maybe we have different definitions of elite. As in best of the best. How many elite QBs do you think there are in the nfl? Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers. Your putting Luck at the table with these guys???
    Those 4, Rothilsberger and Rivers before this season.
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  21. 11-26-11 10:49 PM #21
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    Luck's been on the radar for two years, therefore he has the advantage over Barkley, Barkley will be the talk from the start of next season until he starts to mess up, thats how the Heisman works, if you dont have some buzz from the previous year then you'd better have a crazy stat-filled season to be in the running, like Griffin III.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Not a chance in hell Barkley is even in the top 3 in votes. You clearly have no idea how this award is decided.
    reading is fundamental

    you seem a little fired up
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    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    Colts trade 1st overall pick to drop down to around 6-8 and pick up Richardson?
    all time dumbest move in the history of the NFL. Look at the great RB's intodays game, leading rushers in the nfl.

    1Lesean McCoy 2nd rounder 2009
    2 MJD 2nd Rounder 2006
    3 Fred Jackson Un-drafted 2007
    4 Matt Forte 2nd round 2008
    5 frank gore third rounder 2005
    6 Michael Turner 5th rounder 2004
    7 Adrian Peterson Finally a 1st round Pick!, 2007
    8 DeMarco Murray 3rd round pick
    9 Steven Jackson 1st rouder (24th pick) 2004
    10 Adrain Foster Undrafted 2009


    As you can see, you can easily get a top tier rb late, wasting a high round draft pick on richardson is nuts. Not only that, passing up the best prospect in 25 years, is well, inept . You build your franchise for the future, not drafting Luck because you have Manning is very short sited. With the new structure the cost is not going to kill you, but you trade or release manning. as reported before colts can release manning after 1 year with no repercussions.
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  24. 11-26-11 10:56 PM #24
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    RIVERS.... Elite Qb?



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  25. 11-26-11 11:03 PM #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post
    Luck's been on the radar for two years, therefore he has the advantage over Barkley, Barkley will be the talk from the start of next season until he starts to mess up, thats how the Heisman works, if you dont have some buzz from the previous year then you'd better have a crazy stat-filled season to be in the running, like Griffin III.
    Stats don't mean shit, or guys like Keenum would win every year. Barkley won't win because his team only played 2 ranked teams all year and he lost 1 of them. Granted its was a 3x overtime, but he came up short.

    You not only have to play well, but play well in Big stage games. Barkley doesn't have this.
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    barkley also has 2 of the best handful of wr's in cfb

    to luck's credit his best wr is out and even he's nothing like woods or lee...the rest are garbage
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Stats don't mean shit, or guys like Keenum would win every year. Barkley won't win because his team only played 2 ranked teams all year and he lost 1 of them. Granted its was a 3x overtime, but he came up short.

    You not only have to play well, but play well in Big stage games. Barkley doesn't have this.
    Its big games and stats, but stats can get you there without playing in big games really, its been done many times before.
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  28. 11-26-11 11:17 PM #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by BernardMadoff View Post

    Its big games and stats, but stats can get you there without playing in big games really, its been done many times before.

    Not since the 80s. Bo Jackson is all I can think of, and he barely won.
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  29. 11-26-11 11:20 PM #29
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    andre ware

    but because klingler followed him up with the same numbers the voters started rethinking voting for numbers
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    Quote Originally Posted by iFrat View Post
    Not since the 80s. Bo Jackson is all I can think of, and he barely won.
    Well Houston's already had one qb to win it before from a run and shoot offense.
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  31. 11-26-11 11:27 PM #31
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    Ware won in '89....

    Whos the other HOU Qb to win?
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    Only Ware, Klingler finished 5th one year.
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  33. 11-27-11 03:20 AM #33
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    I hope Luck wins. Even money was just too good to pass up. I just don't see how you give it to a running back when you have possibly the greatest quarterback in 10 years+ on a 11-1 team followed up from last years 12-1 team. Also, the team is fukkin 10-2 ATS this year!
    Just watch the dude play. He is so damn smooth and rarely makes mistakes. He is the best player in college football.
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    just rrying to make a point about Barkley but i truely dont care who wins and i dont feel sorry for Barkley he is still QB of the only team in LA and he will be an NFL QB. i cant stand southern cal but Barkley has had a better season than luck.
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  35. 12-03-11 08:37 AM #35
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    I see he's at like -146 at Pinnacle and juicy most places.

    Would +120 be a decent price at this point?
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