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    Nevada gaming numbers for February

    Maybe it was baccarat. Maybe the calendar was to blame.

    In other words, analysts looked to make sense out of February's gaming revenue results in Nevada where Strip casinos declined 4.4 percent and every reporting market in the state saw either a gaming revenue increase or flat results.

    The Strip's down month led to a statewide gaming revenue total of $916.1 million in February, a decline of almost 1.1 percent. Clark County revenue as a whole was off 1.7 percent because results other area locations, including a 10.6 jump in Laughlin, helped offset Strip declines.

    The Gaming Control Board released the February results Tuesday.

    The Strip had $531.3 million in gaming revenue during the month compared with $555.7 million in February 2014.

    The statewide and Clark County declines in February followed solid increases in January. Statewide, casino revenue was up nearly 7.8 during the month while the Strip has a 15.4 percent increase.

    Brent Pirosch, director of gaming consulting for the CBRE Global Gaming Group, had a simple explanation. He believes January and February should be compared on a combined basis. The dates of the lucrative Chinese New Year are a moving target. Last year, the holiday began on Jan. 31. This year, the holiday started on Feb. 19.

    "Some of January's collections may have been pushed into February, and some of February's collections may be pushed into March," Pirosch told the firm's clients in a research report. "This collection scenario is similar to last year."

    On the Strip, baccarat revenue of $120.9 million was down 22.6 percent, which fueled much of the month's decline. The amount wagered on baccarat fell 21.8 percent to $982.5 million despite the Chinese New Year holiday.

    Gaming Control Board Senior Research Analyst Michael Lawton said baccarat volume has declined in six consecutive months. The revenue from baccarat has been down six out of the last seven months.

    Gaming analysts speculated the downturn in baccarat business is an off-shoot of the downturn in baccarat play in Macau, where the Chinese government crackdown on corruption has targeted the region's high-end junket operators who send players into Macau casinos.

    "We do not expect the soft baccarat results to come as a surprise, as the weakness in Asian sourcing has been well-documented," said Stifel Nicolaus Capital Markets gaming analyst Steven Wieczynski.

    Deutsche Bank gaming analyst Carlo Santarelli said "baccarat volume had a negative influence on the numbers."

    Pirosch said February's baccarat result coupled with January's revenue of $147.2 million ensured the Strip surpassed the 2014 combined number. February's hold percentage for baccarat -- 12.4 percent -- matched the figure from a year ago.

    The declines in baccarat wagering, however, concerned Pirosch.

    "Baccarat volumes are where they were in the recession era," he said. "If the math kicks back in to the players' favor, substantial declines could be on the horizon."

    Excluding baccarat, Strip gaming revenue was up 3 percent, helped by 5 percent increases in slot machine revenue. Lawton said slot revenue was up in every reporting area of the state and the amount wagered on the game has shown three straight monthly increases.

    Sports betting revenue of $12.8 million was a 50 percent decline from a year ago. Sports book winnings from football dropped 70 percent to $4.7 million primarily because of the Seattle Seahawks failing to score a touchdown at the end of the Super Bowl and losing to the New England Patriots.

    A year ago, the Super Bowl brought in $19.7 million in revenue. This year, the books collected $3.3 million.

    There was good news in Northern Nevada where casinos in Reno, coming off a 14.2 percent gaming revenue increase in January, grew gaming revenue almost 3.4 percent in February.

    Nevada collected almost $58 million in gaming taxes during March based on February gaming revenue, a decline of 1.64 percent from a year ago.

    For the first nine months of the fiscal year, gaming tax collections are up 1 percent.

    Las Vegas Review Journal

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    Would the world come to an end if the casinos had a losing month? A 4% downturn is a real sob story!

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    SPorts betting Down %50 holy shit.Most probally just bet there $50 online.

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    Lowest revenues of the month came from sports betting, roulette and craps. Exactly why I bet 2 of those

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    I think revenue meant profit right?

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    I dont believe it

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I think revenue meant profit right?
    Revenue = gross sales or, from a casino point of view, money won from wagers

    Profit = Revenue - Expenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuckyOne View Post
    Would the world come to an end if the casinos had a losing month? A 4% downturn is a real sob story!
    No, but many in finance view Las Vegas as one of the indicators of the health of the economy. Since many people spend their discretionary income in Vegas, lower Vegas revenues may indicate that the economy is slowing down.

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    me either lol...
    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke View Post
    I dont believe it

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    David Purham has Feb WINNINGS as:
    BJ 90M
    Craps 33.4 M
    Roulette 28 M
    Baccarat 121 M
    Sports 14 M
    Penny slots 222 M


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    I also think they hid a lot of cash and numbers look worse than they are

    so easy to not report cash in vegas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu$tle View Post
    David Purham has Feb WINNINGS as:
    BJ 90M
    Craps 33.4 M
    Roulette 28 M
    Baccarat 121 M
    Sports 14 M
    Penny slots 222 M

    Penny slots??? 222 M??? Good Lord!

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    David Purham??

    Who is he??

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    CNY was a flop this year for casinos. Volume way down and heard some spots took a loss from big players. Rich Chinese are a bit gun shy to hit the tables while their country is gunt ho on flushing out corruption right now. Still believe Wynn and LVS are good long term stocks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    David Purham??

    Who is he??
    https://twitter.com/davidpurdum

    My mistake coach wont happen again

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    The Wynn and Las Vegas Sands has been pummeled the last year I think they are both at bottoms

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    The Wynn and Las Vegas Sands has been pummeled the last year I think they are both at bottoms
    Yes they were but both have solid long term plans and money in place. Not as bad of a tumble that they took in 07/08 when someone with some spare cash could make a nice profit off their low share prices but the slowdown in Macau affected their bottom line this year.

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    Fill the hotel...lines the slots....=winning
    Quote Originally Posted by klemopixx View Post
    Penny slots??? 222 M??? Good Lord!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    "Some of January's collections may have been pushed into February, and some of February's collections may be pushed into March," Pirosch told the firm's clients in a research report. "This collection scenario is similar to last year."
    This is not only a nonsense explanation for a cash-based business like a Casino, but also how accounting scandals happen.

    To be technical, the only true "collections" a Casino does are on markers. Every other part of their business is instant cash. But even in the case of "collections" of a marker, Revenue is immediately recognized on the date that the marker is issued.. NOT on the date when it's paid back. And the offsetting entry to Revenue is Accounts Receivable.

    So, for example, even if the Casino lends a $50K marker on 2/28 but isn't paid back until 3/21, the Revenue and A/R still belong to Feb. That's proper accounting according to GAAP.

    Fact is, Casinos close-out and reconcile their drawers daily (numerous times), whether it's a drawer in the cage or in the sportsbook. Any close-out immediately results in an entry to Cash and Revenue.

    So, the only way a Casino could "push collections" into different months would be to keep drawers open and unreconciled between date changes on the calendar. And that just wouldn't fly.

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    If they only make 100 million instead of 105 million last month they act like they lost 5 million and took it in the shorts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by existential View Post
    This is not only a nonsense explanation for a cash-based business like a Casino, but also how accounting scandals happen.

    To be technical, the only true "collections" a Casino does are on markers. Every other part of their business is instant cash. But even in the case of "collections" of a marker, Revenue is immediately recognized on the date that the marker is issued.. NOT on the date when it's paid back. And the offsetting entry to Revenue is Accounts Receivable.

    So, for example, even if the Casino lends a $50K marker on 2/28 but isn't paid back until 3/21, the Revenue and A/R still belong to Feb. That's proper accounting according to GAAP.

    Fact is, Casinos close-out and reconcile their drawers daily (numerous times), whether it's a drawer in the cage or in the sportsbook. Any close-out immediately results in an entry to Cash and Revenue.

    So, the only way a Casino could "push collections" into different months would be to keep drawers open and unreconciled between date changes on the calendar. And that just wouldn't fly.
    kid seems like a fukkin pro

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    I had no idea I hit them so hard!

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    it just shows how sports betting really does not make Nevada tons of money

    I laugh at states thinking they will make a killing and solve their debt issues

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    For sure....they dont risk NEARLY the amount most think they do..Hotels make money off....being hotels and slots...
    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    it just shows how sports betting really does not make Nevada tons of money

    I laugh at states thinking they will make a killing and solve their debt issues

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    All these states want sportsbetting it will not even remotely DENT their financial issues

    Its real small time period

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    I dunno....they COULD pull some BS like the casino's in Canada and only allow 3-5 team parlays...really increases the house winning %....and people are OK with it b/c its better than nothing...I see it as the door opening...Its shocking its not legal really...the Govt (MOB) is letting another mob (real mob) take their $...yeah they jail them if caught blah blah....but overall shocking the govt dosent want all the $$ and action...matte of time...
    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    All these states want sportsbetting it will not even remotely DENT their financial issues

    Its real small time period

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    JJ which Vegas casinos do you see as good going LONG and which ones going SHORT. Short term/long term success?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    All these states want sportsbetting it will not even remotely DENT their financial issues

    Its real small time period
    Who are all these states other than Jersey.

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    I though Indiana??

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    Another reason why sports may not be bringing in huge amounts is because most of the big games are only on 1 time a week usually on a friday or saturday where as slots/table games are offered 24/7 you cant bet sports at 1 am in vegas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaperTrail07 View Post
    I dunno....they COULD pull some BS like the casino's in Canada and only allow 3-5 team parlays...really increases the house winning %....and people are OK with it b/c its better than nothing...I see it as the door opening...Its shocking its not legal really...the Govt (MOB) is letting another mob (real mob) take their $...yeah they jail them if caught blah blah....but overall shocking the govt dosent want all the $$ and action...matte of time...
    That wouldn't do any kind of real business and is not the goal of other states.

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    other than football season and ncaa hoops tourney nevada sportsbooks are not that busy

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