[bswagos]

I never was speaking about poker machines , I should have said so

I'm fully aware of the 9/6 vs 8/5 machines and so on

Ok, it is the same concept on a slot machine. The RNG tells the reel when to stop spinning and the payout is determined by the size of the reel, lets say the reel has 10 stops. If you want more payouts add a cherry, less payouts add a blank.

[bswagos]

here's a question

Do video roulette machines have the same odds as a human spun wheel ?

Odds? Yes. Payouts? Not always.

[Sam Odom]

Odds? Yes.

I disagree. assuming the payout rules are the same...

The software of a video roulette machine can be adjusted to vary the 'House Take' some people say tightening or loosening the machines

so the odds canNOT be the same

same holds true for any software driven game

[bswagos]

I disagree. assuming the payout rules are the same...

The software of a video roulette machine can be adjusted to vary the 'House Take' some people say tightening or loosening the machines

so the odds canNOT be the same

same holds true for any software driven game

Ok man, see this is the part you aren't getting. Lets say it is a 00 wheel. The payout on a number bet is 35 to 1. Lets say they want to tighten the wheel to win more. They now will pay out 34 to 1 on the wheel. They do not change the way numbers are selected. The RNG still kicks out a random place on the wheel for the ball to land, independent of what numbers are being bet, where the ball landed before, etc, etc.

[sjm5122]

I'm pretty sure it is illegal to vary the odds of 'known' games in most jurisdictions. I only work with slots, but I know that when representing a publicly known object in slot games, such as a deck of cards, roulette wheel, or pair of dice, the odds must math their real counterparts. Therefore, I can only assume the video roulette has the same odds as the physical roulette.

[Chimneyfish]

Ok man, see this is the part you aren't getting. Lets say it is a 00 wheel. The payout on a number bet is 35 to 1. Lets say they want to tighten the wheel to win more. They now will pay out 34 to 1 on the wheel. They do not change the way numbers are selected. The RNG still kicks out a random place on the wheel for the ball to land, independent of what numbers are being bet, where the ball landed before, etc, etc.

I tried to make that same point to him using dice instead of a roulette ball. I think it's a lost cause.

[Sam Odom]

Ok man, see this is the part you aren't getting. Lets say it is a 00 wheel. The payout on a number bet is 35 to 1. Lets say they want to tighten the wheel to win more. They now will pay out 34 to 1 on the wheel.

We will just have to disagree because the payout odds stay the same - They are printed on the machines - but the software is adjusted to change the House Take

Good Luck my friend

[Ernie Mccracken]

I tried to make that same point to him using dice instead of a roulette ball. I think it's a lost cause.

[Sam Odom]

I tried to make that same point to him using dice instead of a roulette ball. I think it's a lost cause.

God bless...

[bswagos]

We will just have to disagree because the payout odds stay the same - They are printed on the machines - but the software is adjusted to change the House Take

Good Luck my friend

They are usually only printed on the stepper motor machines which do not change. Video machines are a representation of the game. You can't change game play, only payouts. The payouts do not stay the same, you already said you understand how that works in video poker it is the same with all the other games. Payouts are the variable, game play odds are the constant in the equation.

[sjm5122]

I could go more in depth explaining how they change payout percentages on video slots, but im not sure it would even be worth it at this point.

[Sam Odom]

I could go more in depth explaining how they change payout percentages on video slots, but im not sure it would even be worth it at this point.

probably not ...

Good luck & God bless

[bswagos]

I love the fact that people play a game they know they will lose at in the long run, are told up front of this, yet still think it is rigged. Why would anyone want to do that? Casinos LOVE winners because that just makes them play more and increase the slot turn.

[Sam Odom]

The only casino video I play is when I'm tired of playing live craps (-EV) then I will sit down at a video roulette console yet they will have a live dealer spinning a wheel. Better odds (La Partage & Single Zero) than conventional roulette but is still -EV


.

[FuzzyDunlop]

Therefore, I can only assume the video roulette has the same odds as the physical roulette.

I was playing those single zero machines at the Mirage a few weeks ago, placing one of the few wagers that gives the player a lifetime 1.08% advantage and got absolutely destroyed in the short term, losing 28 of 30 times having 30 of the 37 spots on the board being a one unit winner.

[chipper]

I was playing those single zero machines at the Mirage a few weeks ago, placing one of the few wagers that gives the player a lifetime 1.08% advantage and got absolutely destroyed in the short term, losing 28 of 30 times having 30 of the 37 spots on the board being a one unit winner.

Ouch! Losing 28 out of 30? That had to hurt...

[Patches]

There are "due" machines (or where for the most part) . They are called "wongable" or variable state or banking slots. They bank credits or symbols from the previous gamblers play. You then start the game and quit when you hit the goal (bonus). The heyday of this era was
in the 90s- early 00s when they could be found in almost any casino. Their demise was the fights that ensued over the machines between the "huslters". You can still find examples of these machines in Nevada...but in 1 cent denoms. (Alices Adventures in Wonderland, Rock around the Clock, etc) Not worth much in ev now, but it is fun to watch the street bums and methheads battle for the plays.

[Extra Innings]

obviously

[Grits n' Gravy]

I could go more in depth explaining how they change payout percentages on video slots, but im not sure it would even be worth it at this point.

Please do. I thought I saw you post that you worked for a manufacturer. Ran a slot department for just over 2 years and got to learn a lot about various chip install options.

[Ez Money 77]

I work at a casino, though not in the slot department, but have been told by more than one person that this is not the case. There are NO due machines. And to even go further not only is there not a due machine but every spin is different depending on when u push the spin button. Meaning that the timing you are spinning the reels is what determines the payouts. I don't know much about slots but to me this seems very interesting. If I wait 5 seconds before pushing the spin button I am going to get a different out come if I push the spin button right away? I suppose this is possible now a days, anything is possible. ALSO I was told that the spin results aren't always the same no matter the number of credits you bet. SO the notion of damn I would have hit the jackpot if I bet max bet is false according to the many people I have talked to. If I bet one credit or max credit the spin result would be different. Kinda interesting to me.

[Ez Money 77]

To add to the last post, also say u get off a machine and someone sits down and hits the jackpot or something and you always here something like " **** that was my jackpot if I stayed". Well this is also not the case as once again the time of the pushed button would obviously been different if u stayed on the machine.

[MonkeyF0cker]

I think some of us just have a different understanding or definition for "random number generator"

In other words, "some of us" don't know what a RNG is...

It's not an abstract painting. LOL.

[MonkeyF0cker]

So many ill-informed people gambling with their $$$ - no wonder they lose

Slots can be set to payout more or less %... From 70% to 99% can be found - Therefore payouts are NOT controlled by a "random number generator"

It is illegal in the state of Nevada for a slot machine to be set below 85% return.

What exactly constitutes "controlling" payouts? The RNG does exactly what it's name implies. It generates a random number. No more. No less.

If that number correlates to a winning spin in the paytable, the game pays you the respective amount.

[ACoochy]

I am an engineer for a slot company. There is no such thing as due, except for certain progressive machines which have strike prices. That is, a certain threshold where the progressive jackpot either has to hit, or has an increased chance of hitting. If you can spot these machines they can be +EV, but it is rare. It is also difficult to do this because you do not know what percentage the machine is set to pay out at. Most payout percentages range from 85-96%. Usually falling somewhere in the middle there. Most everything else is just random number generators. For instance, we sometimes send out a new machine and a jackpot hits twice in the first week, and the casino will call us freaking out. Other times it may not hit for months or years. Its all random, there is no such thing as due.

This....Dont know about the machines in the US but in Oz the software in the machine is calibrating the wheel (RNG) at 1500 times every 10th of a second, so 15000 times a second the symbol is changing and comes with either 88% payout or 91% payout. Meanwhile u still see suckers pat the machine etc praying it will pay out..