1. 01-04-17 10:04 AM #1
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    Bellator 170: Ortiz vs. Sonnen (January 21, 2017)



    Spike, 9 p.m. ET
    Tito Ortiz vs Chael Sonnen
    Paul Daley vs Brennan Ward
    Ralek Gracie vs Hisaki Kato
    Georgi Karakhanyan vs Emmanuel Sanchez
    Derek Anderson vs Derek Campos



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  2. 01-04-17 12:02 PM #2
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    This is actually a tricky fight to play.. Chael has been out for so long (4 years). http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Chael-Sonnen-4112

    Weigh ins are everything, if Chael looks juiced to the hilt he'll take down Tito and beat him like a drum.. If Chael is sloppy and old looking I give Tito the edge.. Tito has been the more active fighter.http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Tito-Ortiz-158

    Chael is the slightly younger fighter at age 39.. I think you still gotta go with Chael if he's remotely in good shape..

    Regardless Tito is done after at age 41 - http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Tito-Ortiz-Says-Win-Over-Chael-Sonnen-at-Bellator-170-Wont-Change-Retirement-Plans-115635
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    Props are out on this one fight.. I'm trying to think if there is value in "fight does not go the 3 round distance) at +135? Older guys,

    Chael does usually go for the lay and pray but Tito is big, can wrestle and just might be able to keep this fight standing.. Perhaps then someone quits and or gets dropped..

    If that happens maybe Tito knocks out Chael and then that prop ITD is +500...

    If Chael is able to dump Tito on his back the and then pound out (ITD) is +230

    If it does go the distance you gotta think Chael is gonna win rounds via lay and pray.. Chael by decision is +182

    Hmmmmm?




    Tito Ortiz vs Chael Sonnen - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator 170
    Sat 1/21 3003 Ortiz / Sonnen goes 3 round distance -175
    11:00PM 3004 Fight won’t go 3 round distance +135
    Sat 1/21 3005 Ortiz wins inside distance +500
    11:00PM 3006 Not Ortiz inside distance -900
    Sat 1/21 3007 Ortiz wins by 3 round decision +208
    11:00PM 3008 Not Ortiz by 3 round decision -288
    Sat 1/21 3009 Sonnen wins inside distance +234
    11:00PM 3010 Not Sonnen inside distance -314
    Sat 1/21 3011 Sonnen wins by 3 round decision +182
    11:00PM 3012 Not Sonnen by 3 round decision -262
    Sat 1/21 3013 Ortiz / Sonnen draw +6000
    11:00PM 3014 Fight not a draw -15000






    Randy technically tapped out in this gif, Big John should have called it..

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    sonnen +183 decision easy money
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  5. 01-07-17 02:14 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by firekillex View Post
    sonnen +183 decision easy money
    Fire you're probably right.. I can't argue your mma logic with this...Tito retiring may try hard to not get finished in this one, Chael never a big finisher.. Both old looking for a pay check gut it out.. This fight seems so WWE to me though.. lol..
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Fire you're probably right.. I can't argue your mma logic with this...Tito retiring may try hard to not get finished in this one, Chael never a big finisher.. Both old looking for a pay check gut it out.. This fight seems so WWE to me though.. lol..
    i listen to chaels podcast once in a while hes taking this fight pretty serious he doesnt like tito and wants to get this win to get a few big name fights in bellator to give his baby some financial stability, dudes always been a beast wrestler and only losses by submission basically... tito isnt subbing him off his back most likely, tito will be the bigger guy but his body is the most damaged out of almost anybody in the game right now and hes bragging how hes training 15 times a day which is absolutely overkill .... i could see tito possibly stealing a round but its basically gonna be a wrestling match with some shitty standup, chael beat tito back in the day in a wrestling match and i see him doing that again, hes not tkoing tito and i doubt hell sub him either so ill ride the decision +183 is actually a pretty solid price imo chael is a beast when he gets top position he rides it out for minutes like its nothing
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  9. 01-10-17 05:20 PM #9
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    Chael is going to lose by decision like a retard.

    Line movement indicates a win for big head Tito.


    +100something Ortiz is the obvious play.


    Anyone betting on chael is retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KushMoney View Post
    Chael is going to lose by decision like a retard.

    Line movement indicates a win for big head Tito.


    +100something Ortiz is the obvious play.


    Anyone betting on chael is retarded.

    great breakdown, very in depth and analytical
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    Quote Originally Posted by KushMoney View Post
    Chael is going to lose by decision like a retard.

    Line movement indicates a win for big head Tito.


    +100something Ortiz is the obvious play.


    Anyone betting on chael is retarded.
    Tito Ortiz you absolutely suck!
    When your the greatest fighter in the world today, they have a name for you. They don't call you a great fighter, they call you Chael Sonnen. Beat me if you can.
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    Daley fade???
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    Daley fade???
    He's been pretty decent of lately imo
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    Sonnen ML from -170 to -175. Tito's shit.
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    Tito supported Donald Trump.

    His intelligence is confirmed to be extremely underrated.

    edit:

    Maybe the closest thing to seeing both of these guys fight recently.



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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    Daley fade???
    I think so.. Decent read by Combat press on the fight.. -

    Bellator 170 - Welterweight 3 rounds - Great Western Forum - Inglewood, Caliornia - Spike TV
    Sat 1/21 3101 Brennan Ward +150 o1½ +150
    10:30PM 3102 Paul Daley -180 u1½ -180



    Brennan Ward appeared to be marching toward welterweight title contention before his hopes were derailed by Evangelista Santos. Ward rebounded with a huge stoppage win over Saad Awad. Can he keep his momentum alive against Paul Daley?


    This fight is perfect for both guys. Daley and Ward like to fight and will trade blows until their opponent falls over. Daley is a big step in the right direction for Ward if he wants to get back into the title picture. While Awad isn’t a bad addition to Ward’s resume, Daley is a UFC veteran who has been rather successful in Bellator’s welterweight division.
    Ward has more avenues to win this fight. While Ward would probably prefer to stand with any fighter he takes on, his big advantage comes on the ground against Daley. If Ward approaches this fight like he approached his bout against Santos, then we might have a quick end to this fight yet again as Daley adds a flashy knockout to his highlight reel.
    Ward needs to remember that Daley isn’t known for his grappling abilities, and his preference has always been to keep the fight on the feet and land the knockout blow. There are a couple of exceptions to this rule, but they’re just exceptions. Daley doesn’t ever look to bring the fight to the ground, where he has lost big fights before. Ward has an excellent chance to win this fight if he uses his wrestling. Daley’s takedown defense has improved, but it still leaves something to be desired.
    Ward can’t get drawn into a firefight with Daley. It just isn’t a smart option. Ward could probably hang and win the fight on the feet, but the chances for a loss also increase. Ward has far greater odds to end the fight on the ground instead.

    Brennan Ward the good -



    Brennan Ward the bad -

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    Bellator 170 - Featherweight 3 rounds - Great Western Forum - Inglewood, Caliornia - Spike TV
    Sat 1/21 3301 Emmanuel Sanchez +110 o2½ -280
    9:30PM 3302 Georgi Karakhanyan -140 u2½ +220

    More from Combat Press on this fight -

    Emmanuel Sanchez against Georgi Karakhanyan.

    The best part about this fight is that we may see something very wild. Karakhanyan is great at finishing fights. He has 14 submissions under his belt and is coming off of two great knockouts that have formed his current two-fight winning streak. Karakhanyan was one of the top featherweights in Bellator. He was extremely close to fighting for the title before suffering losses to Daniel Weichel and Pat Curran.


    This fight has a lot of top-tier implications, too. Sanchez is another fighter teetering around the upper portion of the division. While Karakhanyan is known for the finish in Bellator, Sanchez has been the opposite in his last four fights. He rode a three-fight winning streak of very close fights with a split decision victory in each. That all ended when he faced Weichel and fought to his fourth consecutive split scorecard. Sanchez was on the losing end against Weichel.

    We could see a wide range here, and the uncertainty is great. Sanchez has looked good so far under the Bellator banner. He could get a big signature victory over Karakhanyan. Conversely, Karakhanyan could use Sanchez as a jumping-off point to get back into title contention and place himself in a No. 1 contender bout.
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    Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz
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    Quote Originally Posted by KushMoney View Post
    Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz Tito Ortiz
    Gonna get grapple focked, grapple focked, grapple focked.....

    Only chance Tito has of beating Chael is landing a submission (+1285) by surprise maybe.. I don't think Tito is gonna knock out Chael or put Chael on his back or win a decision..

    If Chael is anything like his former self in the cage he will put Tito on his back, wear him down and beat on him like a drum..

    I'm considering taking Chael ITD even.. Since Tito is looking to retire after this fight he may look for an early exit if he's on his back getting pounded on...

    Still need to see what both these guys look like at weigh ins though!!!

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    Tito Ortiz vs Chael Sonnen - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator 170
    Sat 1/21 3003 Ortiz / Sonnen goes 3 round distance -160
    11:00PM 3004 Fight won’t go 3 round distance +130
    Sat 1/21 3005 Ortiz wins inside distance +585
    11:00PM 3006 Not Ortiz inside distance -1010
    Sat 1/21 3007 Ortiz wins by 3 round decision +241
    11:00PM 3008 Not Ortiz by 3 round decision -302
    Sat 1/21 3009 Sonnen wins inside distance +207
    11:00PM 3010 Not Sonnen inside distance -267
    Sat 1/21 3011 Sonnen wins by 3 round decision +190
    11:00PM 3012 Not Sonnen by 3 round decision -250
    Sat 1/21 3013 Ortiz / Sonnen draw +6000
    11:00PM 3014 Fight not a draw -15000
    Sat 1/21 3015 Ortiz wins in round 1 +1200
    11:00PM 3016 Any other result -2600
    Sat 1/21 3017 Ortiz wins in round 2 +1400
    11:00PM 3018 Any other result -3600
    Sat 1/21 3019 Ortiz wins in round 3 +2125
    11:00PM 3020 Any other result -6375
    Sat 1/21 3021 Sonnen wins in round 1 +450
    11:00PM 3022 Any other result -750
    Sat 1/21 3023 Sonnen wins in round 2 +600
    11:00PM 3024 Any other result -1200
    Sat 1/21 3025 Sonnen wins in round 3 +900
    11:00PM 3026 Any other result -1850
    Sat 1/21 3027 Ortiz wins by submission +1285
    11:00PM 3028 Any other result -2940
    Sat 1/21 3029 Ortiz wins by TKO/KO +930
    11:00PM 3030 Any other result -1890
    Sat 1/21 3031 Sonnen wins by submission +640
    11:00PM 3032 Any other result -1320
    Sat 1/21 3033 Sonnen wins by TKO/KO +320
    11:00PM 3034 Any other result -460
    Sat 1/21 3035 Ortiz / Sonnen starts round 3 -230
    11:00PM 3036 Fight won’t start round 3 +190
    Sat 1/21 3037 Ortiz / Sonnen starts round 2 -335
    11:00PM 3038 Fight won’t start round 2 +275
    if fight goes to scorecards all wagers are no action
    Sat 1/21 3039 Ortiz (scorecards = no action) +236
    11:00PM 3040 Sonnen (scorecards = no action) -296
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    Honestly, this strategy usually works for Bellator cards lol
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    Will be at this event live. My buddy says Chael for sure. I like Hisaki Kato but not sure if I want to lay -300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unwritten Law View Post
    Will be at this event live. My buddy says Chael for sure. I like Hisaki Kato but not sure if I want to lay -300.
    Try the under instead. Kato has never gone O1.5. Think he KOs Gracie or gets subbed early
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unwritten Law View Post
    Will be at this event live. My buddy says Chael for sure. I like Hisaki Kato but not sure if I want to lay -300.
    This event takes place at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood right near the USC college campus.. I should go as it's about a 25 minute drive from Santa Monica where I live.. Bellator events are fun, usually smaller venues so the seats are never that bad.. This event seems like it might be a bit bigger then the norm for Bellator....

    It's suppose to rain like crazy so I think I'll kick at home and sit this one out.. Enjoy Unwritten Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    "I'm liking all the favorites"
    -The Jibbinator

    Honestly, this strategy usually works for Bellator cards lol
    Liking some of the dogs in this event actually for once.. Breaking my own rules of Bellator betting on this card.. This event is the only big MMA event for the weekend so all normal rules fly out the window..

    Campos, Sanchez and Ward all capable dogs.. Not sure if I'm still gonna go with Ward though.. Daley could easily drop Ward standing if it becomes a stand up war which it could.

    A few dogs could bark though IMO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Liking some of the dogs in this event actually for once.. Breaking my own rules of Bellator betting on this card.. This event is the only big MMA event for the weekend so all normal rules fly out the window..

    Campos, Sanchez and Ward all capable dogs.. Not sure if I'm still gonna go with Ward though.. Daley could easily drop Ward standing if it becomes a stand up war which it could.

    A few dogs could bark though IMO..

    Yeah I'll probably have a small bet on Sanchez.
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    Think Ward tries to brawl with Daley and gets KOed. It's not really his nature to try to wrestle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    This event takes place at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood right near the USC college campus.. I should go as it's about a 25 minute drive from Santa Monica where I live.. Bellator events are fun, usually smaller venues so the seats are never that bad.. This event seems like it might be a bit bigger then the norm for Bellator....

    It's suppose to rain like crazy so I think I'll kick at home and sit this one out.. Enjoy Unwritten Law.
    How much are tickets going for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiggityDaggityDo View Post
    How much are tickets going for?
    Last I checked $30 for bleeds and $150 for floor seats..

    http://www.ticketmaster.com/bellator...minorcatid=830
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Think Ward tries to brawl with Daley and gets KOed. It's not really his nature to try to wrestle.
    Agreed, I was just looking for the Daley KO prop odds earlier this morning, no props out yet on any other fights other then the main event..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugo de Naranja View Post
    Try the under instead. Kato has never gone O1.5. Think he KOs Gracie or gets subbed early
    Not a bad idea but those odds are stiff... I'm gonna get greedy and opt in for the Kato 1st round finish and or Kato KO prop myself when they come out..

    Kato is basically a one round fighter - http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hisaki-Kato-125695

    Bellator 170 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Great Western Forum - Inglewood, Caliornia - Spike TV
    Sat 1/21 3201 Ralek Gracie +270 o1½ +200
    10:00PM 3202 Hisaki Kato -330 u1½ -240
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    Not a bad idea but those odds are stiff... I'm gonna get greedy and opt in for the Kato 1st round finish and or Kato KO prop myself when they come out..

    Kato is basically a one round fighter - http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hisaki-Kato-125695

    Bellator 170 - Middleweight 3 rounds - Great Western Forum - Inglewood, Caliornia - Spike TV
    Sat 1/21 3201 Ralek Gracie +270 o1½ +200
    10:00PM 3202 Hisaki Kato -330 u1½ -240
    Damn that's high. Opened like (-160)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    This event takes place at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood right near the USC college campus.. I should go as it's about a 25 minute drive from Santa Monica where I live.. Bellator events are fun, usually smaller venues so the seats are never that bad.. This event seems like it might be a bit bigger then the norm for Bellator....

    It's suppose to rain like crazy so I think I'll kick at home and sit this one out.. Enjoy Unwritten Law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    This event takes place at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood right near the USC college campus.. I should go as it's about a 25 minute drive from Santa Monica where I live.. Bellator events are fun, usually smaller venues so the seats are never that bad.. This event seems like it might be a bit bigger then the norm for Bellator....

    It's suppose to rain like crazy so I think I'll kick at home and sit this one out.. Enjoy Unwritten Law.
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    had to laugh JIBBERS...meanwhile it's ZERO degrees and snowing and I'd go in a heartbeat LOL
    Quote Originally Posted by JIBBBY View Post
    This event takes place at the Fabulous Forum in Inglewood right near the USC college campus.. I should go as it's about a 25 minute drive from Santa Monica where I live.. Bellator events are fun, usually smaller venues so the seats are never that bad.. This event seems like it might be a bit bigger then the norm for Bellator....

    It's suppose to rain like crazy so I think I'll kick at home and sit this one out.. Enjoy Unwritten Law.
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