[ThaddeusB]

No idea what you are on sideloaded, but I've only ever had one name here and its the same one I use everywhere on the net. Also, if your theory was correct about SBR "knowing" whatever it is you think they "know" I would already be banned.

Thaddeus

[sideloaded]

You can easily google thads name and it seems he is who he says he is..

YEah google is the answer. I wonder if I googled Sandusky a few months ago and could tell if he is who he says he is.

[mattmc419]

YEah google is the answer. I wonder if I googled Sandusky a few months ago and could tell if he is who he says he is.

Stop bullshitting. You're wrong anyways, but go ahead and release the username that you think is also Thad's.

Then go to bed. You apparently need the rest...

[zsr]

YEah google is the answer. I wonder if I googled Sandusky a few months ago and could tell if he is who he says he is.

I'm guessing as much as Lou doesn't like thaddeus, if he was ghosting he would of been banned a while ago.

[sideloaded]

Did I say he was ghosting?

[zsr]

Did I say he was ghosting?

You know what I meant, another poster.

[ThaddeusB]

I'm guessing as much as Lou doesn't like thaddeus, if he was ghosting he would of been banned a while ago.

It's no secret that SBR doesn't like me very much. I'm sure they would ban me if they had anything. Fact is I've done nothing wrong. SBR has my real name, address, and telephone number. They can easily verify my identity if they want to.

Sideloaded, I don't know if you are just trying to irritate me or if you really believe I'm the reincarnation of some previous user, but either way its time to put up or shut up. Either make an accusation, take it to SBR privately, or drop it.

Thaddeus

[sideloaded]

have fun cashing out!

[ThaddeusB]

have fun cashing out!

Well that answers that - you clearly are just bullshitting to annoy me.

[Ra77er]

Unreal what happened with Downsouth

[Optional]

Maybe I'm the only one who saw this, but in the chem thread optional made a post asking who would transfer points with a family member or who would log in from the same ip as another member. Downsouth responded that he had done one of these, I'm guessing sbr saw this and investigated? Seems like the most obvious thing but who knows

So I guess the other day when I said in the chemical brother thread that I had done one of the things listed that it got my account looked into and fraud alarm went off.

Sorry to hear that.

[secretstash]

Welcome back Downsouth

-stash

[KGambler]

Did downshout post here? Where did his posts go?

Is he back?

[ThaddeusB]

Did downshout post here? Where did his posts go?

Is he back?

He posted this shortly after midnight last night:

First off, I would like to thank those that supported me or at least withheld judgement until hearing my side of story. It really is appreciated.

Secondly, I would like to take a few moments and address the scenario that I dealt with recently. I had my pro status revoked and approx 10k in points removed from me. This was due to SBR believing I was involved in poker collusion at the poker tables. Over the past 6 months I have played poker a handfull of times(i would guess less than 7 but really not sure) with my father also at the tables. A few times I was aware I was playing with him and a few times I wasnt even paying attention. At no time was any type of collusion committed or even attempted(I requested to see hand histories or anything that showed that but my request was not fulfilled). My father is brand new to the game and I figured SBR would be a good place for him to learn so I showed him the site and helped him sign up. He plays the tourneys and if/when he wins something plays the tables to rollover.

A little background, my father signed up 8 months ago or so, we live in seperate residences, and SBR was fully aware that we were related as it was disclosed when he signed up. So it wasnt like I was trying to hide it or anything of the sort. We were informed no point transfers between the accounts which was understandable. His account is a non-pro account anyway so transferring would not really work. My brother also signed up and lives at his place in college. He did go SBR pro but again SBR was aware and we were told no point transfers.( I do not believe we have ever played poker together at ring games, maybe a few times in same tourney but not sure)

So I guess the other day when I said in the chemical brother thread that I had done one of the things listed that it got my account looked into and fraud alarm went off. I really had no idea and figured what I was doing was fine as nothing fradulent was going on.

I enjoy my time here at SBR and would not have been stupid enough to risk my 10K in points plus approx 35K in outstanding loans trying to scam a few points at poker. I'm not smart enough to pull it off or stupid enough to try as over the year I have seen how often people get caught by the number of times I have loaned someone points only to have them disappear right away for fraud. So I know SBR catches people alot smarter computer wise than me. As far as the poker, Ive played more online poker than probably 95% of this forum and know what collusion is and looks like, if my hand history was reviewed I dont think anything of collusion/chip dumping could be shown.

So in hindsight obviously it was a bad idea to play poker with a family member, hell, probably a bad idea to have them signed up here in the first place. Just thought it would be something fun to do with pops. Oh well, it was a tough lesson, but lesson learned.

As far as me coming back means I admit guilt, that couldnt be farther from the truth. I feel like I got the short end of the stick but for me I enjoy being here, have quite a bit invested and there really is no other option. So I was given the option to go pro through another book than the one I had gone pro with(couldnt even use the one I opened like 2 weeks ago thru SBR) and upon my pro app being approved I would be reinstated with a clean slate. Wasnt really happy about it but needed another outlet for college basketball steam anyway so it was totally for nothing. Put yourself in my position, if the $200 was not a huge deal and you were going to lose something you enjoyed would you not swallow your pride and go thru the process.

[KGambler]

I do believe the banning stems from poker, as the timing of this+chemicalbrother strongly suggests SBR got a new fraud detection method on poker. I do not believe the perceived fraud was real, however. Instead, I believe the system resulted in a false positive here (not so sure on chemical) and SBR is unwilling to admit that possibility.

I don't think they got a new fraud detection system. I think it had to do with chembro and his brother trying to cash out thousands of points, at which point they took a look at the accounts (sportsbook.com style).

And as downsouth said, his account was probably checked because of his comment in the chembro thread.

SBR losing tens of thousands of points on Georgia +8 might have factored in as well

I used to play poker for a living, and I can tell you that even the security teams at the big online poker sites did not employ people capable of determining collusion. Emailing them hand histories of suspected collusion was a complete waste of time. The idea that SBR has employees capable of spotting collusion is completely laughable. More likely they just call it "collusion" if two family members play at the same table. It's fine to have such a rule, but you need to tell people the rule exists.

[BeerDog99]

I am glad Downsouth is back and I can understand his desire to let bygones be gone, but I sincerely don't understand how 10k of points can be washed out of existence because he played SBR poker vs his family.

[zsr]

I am glad Downsouth is back and I can understand his desire to let bygones be gone, but I sincerely don't understand how 10k of points can be washed out of existence because he played SBR poker vs his family.

That's what I was thinking too, unreal. And LOL at them letting him make another deposit to come back so they get more affiliate money

[ThaddeusB]

That's what I was thinking too, unreal. And LOL at them letting him make another deposit to come back so they get more affiliate money

Yah, doesn't exactly fill one with confidence when THE industry watchdog does stuff like this.

[Optional]

Yah, doesn't exactly fill one with confidence when THE industry watchdog does stuff like this.

Wish you guys would drop this bone.

I'd prefer SBR to do exactly this for 'minor' offenses. Take the points and pro status but let them stay.

Particularly if they don't have the resources or expertise to properly police poker. The heavy handed approach is better than giving everyone the benefit of the doubt because the smarties would get past them every time. Would only take a few clever types to reduce the value of points for the rest of us. And I'm guessing that's exactly the issue SBR are trying to rub out right now.

Yes it sucks to lose points without proof and a hearing and in depth debate, but it would be much more unfair to outright ban everyone who oversteps the line.


(and yeah I know I'm almost begging for karma to do this to me talking like this. I know I can't bitch now if it does.)

[sideloaded]

Is it fair for a lender to lend out points to a scammer, then get paid back with scammed points and make a profit? Seems to me both accounts should be closed.